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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:41:23 -0700
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:13:31 -0800
From: "Henry Broekhuyse" <broekh(a)interchange.ubc.ca>
Subject: RE: G4IDE and ][GS disks (slightly off topic)
If you don't have one already, get a 3.5" floppy drive for
your GS (even on
ebay these rarely cost more than $10). A Mac is able to read and write
ProDOS formatted 3.5" floppies, making this a convenient means of
transferring files.
I'd kind of hoped the 800k external Mac drive could do that but it won't.
controller. If you must use a PC, the "easiest to
implement"
method of file
transfer with an Apple II series computer is via a "null modem" serial
connection.
Dammit :) I'd kind of hoped there was some Apple ][ flavour of a program
like TransMac - read/write Mac disks on a PC. To get a null modem connection
going though I need some sort of operating environment on the GS. Varying
experiments with keypresses at powerup have got me into the control panel
but that's about it. Is it possible to boot to BASIC? It must be since the
ROM has Micro$oft written on it :)
Date: 14 Dec 00 00:26:28 +0100
From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se>
Subject: RE: First personal computer nostalgia
I'm sorry, but I feel it's nitpicking time...
I've never heard of an Atari 1050ST before, nor of a 1 MB
hard drive fitted to
an ST. OTOH, there is the Atari 1040ST, which had 1 MB of RAM.
And you *could* get HDs for them too; can't remember their product
designation OTTOMH but a swift look at the Atari Historical Society should
tell you. Maybe it was a Falcon!
Date: 14 Dec 00 01:26:27 +0100
From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se>
Subject: Re: amiga 500
http://www.hardwarebook.net/ (everyone should have it
bookmarked) has got the
pinouts. Getting the D23 might be problematic, but I know
several sources
around here.
You'll get just about every 15KHz monitor to work, both
analogue and digital.
Possible models: Commodore 1081, 1084, 1085, 1940, 1942; Nec
Multisync II, 3D.
I've got a spare Amiga -> CVBS cable if needs be......
adrian/witchy
www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the Online Computer Museum
14 Dec
14 Dec
6:32 a.m.
WHile we're on the subject of GS's... The local thrift store has a
complete IIgs system (CPU, monitor, external 3.5" drive, Imagewriter
II, cables, power supplies, software) that they're asking $25 for.
Anyone interested? Claim that it fires up just fine. (shipping would
be from 97883)
I didn't look through the s/w, but there's a stack of documentation a
foot high.
Jim
8:06 a.m.
Dammit :) I'd kind of hoped there was some Apple
][ flavour of a program
like TransMac - read/write Mac disks on a PC. To get a null modem connection
going though I need some sort of operating environment on the GS. Varying
experiments with keypresses at powerup have got me into the control panel
but that's about it. Is it possible to boot to BASIC? It must be since the
ROM has Micro$oft written on it :)
The easiest (and IMHO best) solution to this problem is to go to www.allelec.com
and for $69 purchase the focusdrive IIgs, which has system 6.0.1 already
on it. These drives are great. You'll need at least a 4 mb memory expander
to run it though.
Alternately, if you go to http://www.byteworks.org/APDA/system.htm you can
buy the system disks directly. If you need the 4 meg expansion board or any
other accessories do please let me know, I have a GS that's been dropped that
I'm parting out. Unfortunately I already swiped its SCSI interface and disk
for my apple 2e, so I don't have a hard disk to sell. I have (if memory
serves) a 4mb expansion card, printer card, and a few floppy drives, as well
as a GS that may or may not work.
I've got a spare Amiga -> CVBS cable if needs
be......
What does this do? Perhaps we could trade amiga hardware for GS hardware?
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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1:57 p.m.
The easiest (and IMHO best) solution to this problem
is to go to
www.allelec.com
and for $69 purchase the focusdrive IIgs, which has system 6.0.1 already
on it. These drives are great. You'll need at least a 4 mb
memory expander to run it though.
The original posting on this topic was from someone with an original "Woz"
GS. Many "Woz" GSs were of the "ROM 00" type (the later versions were
ROM 01
and ROM 03). Apparently all versions of GS/OS require a minimum version of
ROM 01.
The FAQ collection for the Apple II series of computers is among the most
extensive available for any "vintage" system - there are over twenty
individual text files making up the full FAQ list. Among other things, it
contains a thorough discussion of the various methods of transferring files
to and from any Apple II series computer, right down to the "how to"
instructions. An updated version of the full FAQ list "appears" on
comp.sys.apple2 around the beginning of every month.
6:07 p.m.
The easiest (and IMHO best) solution to this
problem is to go to
www.allelec.com
and for $69 purchase the focusdrive IIgs, which has system 6.0.1 already
on it. These drives are great. You'll need at least a 4 mb
memory expander to run it though.
The original posting on this topic was from someone with an original "Woz"
GS. Many "Woz" GSs were of the "ROM 00" type (the later versions were
ROM 01
and ROM 03). Apparently all versions of GS/OS require a minimum version of
ROM 01.
The FAQ collection for the Apple II series of computers is among the most
extensive available for any "vintage" system - there are over twenty
individual text files making up the full FAQ list. Among other things, it
contains a thorough discussion of the various methods of transferring files
to and from any Apple II series computer, right down to the "how to"
instructions. An updated version of the full FAQ list "appears" on
comp.sys.apple2 around the beginning of every month.
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Jim Strickland
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9:01 p.m.
Alternately, if you go to
http://www.byteworks.org/APDA/system.htm you can
buy the system disks directly. If you need the 4 meg expansion board or any
other accessories do please let me know, I have a GS that's been dropped that
I'm parting out.
Well, I'd be interested. I have a 1MB ROM 03 that needs a brain upgrade so
it can boot GS/OS without crashing all the dang time. What challenging
electronics have you got, and how much green did you have in mind?
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10:59 a.m.
I know serveral FAQs talk about data transfer to Apple II type systems from
various other systems, but this is just complex enough it really does
deserve a GOOD complete writeup someplace. The trouble is that much of the
"action" now is diverse, PC or Mac emulation, Apple II vs IIe vs IIgs, and
the solutions are different.
How can you get from a G4 to a IIgs?
Floppy, easy put a 3.5" 1.4MB compatible floppy on each system.
Serial, make one of the funky Serial null/modem type cables.
Network, setup an Ethernet to PhoneNet bridge. This is my choice, since in
the long run it is usefull for a variety of devices and its fast. PhoneNet
plugs right into a IIgs, and supports AppleTalk and MacTcp (something like
that, that means TCP/IP packets get encapsulated in AppleTalk), and
serveral "boxes" and old macs running software work fine as bridges. A
FastPath 4 "looks" like the best solution to me right now, but I am still
very seriously in the learning stage and buying anything I see that looks
curious. This also means I have a lot of stuff for sale too, but I'm not
real organized right now, so email me directly for stuff. (see related RJ21
post)
11:17 a.m.
New subject: RJ21 to AppleTalk?
As I mentioned in the G4 to IIgs thread, I have a bunch of networking and
bridge devices and software. Lots of it I don't know how to use, some of it
is downright pesky in how time has treated it.
Farallon. Sheesh, great stuff, key pieces uniformly missing. Farallon,
otherwise one of the BEST companies for support, split into Netopia and
Farallon, and orphaned all the old stuff. I have some StarRouters,
powerfull ethernet to Appletalk boxes, but even the stuff I have purchased
new in the box expects parts that appear no longer to exist. For example
the AppleTalk side of the box is a Phone style RJ21 (looks just like a
Centronics 50 to me).
I have ONE RJ21 to snake of RJ11 PhoneNets, but thats about the only device
I have EVER even put my hands on. Ebay has a couple items, a RJ11 patchbay
(no RJ21 cable), and a RJ21 to punchdown block (with a large reserve to
cover the "value" of the punchdown block). Pinout is trivial, each side of
the RJ21 makes a PhoneNet pair, with one pair terminated.
Unfortunately, devices and cables routinely get separated when the stuff
gets scraped. Makes me wonder how I would like to proceed, I mean
LocalTalk/Phonenet isn't exactly a real hotbed of activity, and I do have
alternate solutions (ie FastPath), but I REALLY hate to see this good
product shuffled off due to support issues. Anybody that has Farallon stuff
or knowledge, I would like to chat with before I just give up on it.
11:16 a.m.
New subject: RJ21 to AppleTalk?
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
I have ONE RJ21 to snake of RJ11 PhoneNets, but thats
about the only device
I have EVER even put my hands on. Ebay has a couple items, a RJ11 patchbay
(no RJ21 cable), and a RJ21 to punchdown block (with a large reserve to
cover the "value" of the punchdown block). Pinout is trivial, each side of
the RJ21 makes a PhoneNet pair, with one pair terminated.
There's a local electronics surplus shop brimming with Farallon PhoneNet
stuff. I'll find out what it is and let you know, and if it's something
you can use I'll pick it up for you. These are new in the original
packaging.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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2:36 p.m.
New subject: RJ21 to AppleTalk?
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
My prefered bit would be a couple RJ21 to RJ11 snakes, and/or a couple RJ21
to RJ11 socket "harmonica" (I think thats what the patch panel of RJ11
phonenet sockets is called).
I don't really have a big desire to buy and learn to use punchdown blocks
and tools, and don't "really" have a use other than playing with it.
Unfortunately the darn boxes were "made" for serious use in wiring closets
etc., and my house was built by idiots with bell wire instead of twisted
pairs.
Let me know what you find.
I have ONE RJ21 to snake of RJ11 PhoneNets, but
thats about the only device
I have EVER even put my hands on. Ebay has a couple items, a RJ11 patchbay
(no RJ21 cable), and a RJ21 to punchdown block (with a large reserve to
cover the "value" of the punchdown block). Pinout is trivial, each side of
the RJ21 makes a PhoneNet pair, with one pair terminated.
There's a local electronics surplus shop brimming with Farallon PhoneNet
stuff. I'll find out what it is and let you know, and if it's something
you can use I'll pick it up for you. These are new in the original
packaging.
2:17 p.m.
New subject: RJ21 to AppleTalk?
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
I have ONE RJ21 to snake of RJ11 PhoneNets, but thats
about the
only device
I have EVER even put my hands on. Ebay has a couple items, a RJ11 patchbay
(no RJ21 cable), and a RJ21 to punchdown block (with a large reserve to
cover the "value" of the punchdown block). Pinout is trivial, each side of
the RJ21 makes a PhoneNet pair, with one pair terminated.
Unfortunately, devices and cables routinely get separated when the stuff
gets scraped. Makes me wonder how I would like to proceed, I mean
LocalTalk/Phonenet isn't exactly a real hotbed of activity, and I do have
alternate solutions (ie FastPath), but I REALLY hate to see this good
product shuffled off due to support issues. Anybody that has
Farallon stuff
or knowledge, I would like to chat with before I just give up on it.
There is still a fair bit of information about this equipment on Farallon's
web site. As you probably realize, one has to consider that only a very
large Localtalk network warrants the trouble of setting up a StarController
and its associated cabling. My office still has a "decommissioned" one,
which hasn't seen service since we switched to using ethernet.
5:30 p.m.
New subject: RJ21 to AppleTalk?
There is still a fair bit of information about this
equipment on Farallon's
web site. As you probably realize, one has to consider that only a very
large Localtalk network warrants the trouble of setting up a StarController
and its associated cabling. My office still has a "decommissioned" one,
which hasn't seen service since we switched to using ethernet.
Thats just it, I have all this quite expensive at one time, completely
neato, designed for a huge LocalTalk/PhoneNet office complex hardware, and
I WANT to play with it. For no sane reason, but I have it, so I desire it
to function in the manner it was intended. My StarRouter for example
bridges one line of 10bt to 12 or more networks of PhoneNet (whole
networks, not just devices). I've never actually seen a LocalTalk/PhoneNet
network that large, and kind of wonder how common outside of SillyCon
Valley they were.
15 Dec
15 Dec
11:24 a.m.
Adrian Graham skrev:
> From: "Iggy Drougge"
<optimus(a)canit.se>
> Subject: RE: First personal computer nostalgia
>
> I'm sorry, but I feel it's nitpicking time...
> I've never heard of an Atari 1050ST before, nor of a 1 MB
> hard drive fitted to
> an ST. OTOH, there is the Atari 1040ST, which had 1 MB of RAM.
And you *could* get HDs for them too; can't
remember their product
designation OTTOMH but a swift look at the Atari Historical Society should
tell you. Maybe it was a Falcon!
You certainly could, and I've never claimed otherwise. The Atari designation
should be SH-**, IIRC. I've never heard of Atari or any other hardware
producer supplying a 1MB HD for the ST, though. It seems really pointless,
considering that it would be the same size as the built-in disk drive.
--
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16 Dec
16 Dec
8:08 a.m.
Adrian Graham skrev:
Altho there are modifications to use a HD floppy, and you could
fiddle with track and sector sizes to expand capacity like many of
the disk-zines did, the stock FDD was a double density 3 1/2.
ciao larry
Reply to:
lgwalker(a)look.ca
> From: "Iggy Drougge"
<optimus(a)canit.se>
> Subject: RE: First personal computer nostalgia
>
> I'm sorry, but I feel it's nitpicking time...
> I've never heard of an Atari 1050ST before, nor of a 1 MB
> hard drive fitted to
> an ST. OTOH, there is the Atari 1040ST, which had 1 MB of RAM.
And you *could* get HDs for them too; can't
remember their product
designation OTTOMH but a swift look at the Atari Historical Society
should tell you. Maybe it was a Falcon!
You certainly could, and I've never claimed otherwise. The Atari
designation should be SH-**, IIRC. I've never heard of Atari or any
other hardware producer supplying a 1MB HD for the ST, though. It
seems really pointless, considering that it would be the same size as
the built-in disk drive.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6.
The most useful program will be continually improved until it is
useless.
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