13 Dec
2005
13 Dec
'05
9:18 p.m.
Speaking of Geoworks, anyone have a copy of the rare 8088 devkit for GEOS?
IMHO, it's lack of wide distribution of a devkit that killed GEOS the
deadest. That and flying toasters.... I probably would have used it for my
main desktop if I could have coded for it....
I'm also looking for a copy of the devkit for Windows 1.0X. Being able to
code for Windows 1 would kick a**.
Eric
On 12/12/05, Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> wrote:
Allison wrote:
If you used Geoworks, or
Ghostscript (I used a retail package called "GOSCRIPT"), or Win 3.1, you
could
use any font you want and the print subsystem would just rasterize it as
graphics.
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13 Dec
13 Dec
9:36 p.m.
Speaking of Geoworks, anyone have a copy of the rare 8088 devkit for GEOS?
IMHO, it's lack of wide distribution of a devkit that killed GEOS the
deadest. That and flying toasters.... I probably would have used it for my
main desktop if I could have coded for it....
Speaking of GUIs for older IBMs I also remember one called GEM. Does
anyone know who developed it?
Cheers,
Bryan
10:36 p.m.
At 4:36 PM -0500 12/13/05, Bryan Pope wrote:
Speaking of GUIs for older IBMs I also remember one
called GEM. Does
anyone know who developed it?
Wasn't that "Digital Research", the same people that did CP/M?
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11:08 p.m.
Speaking of
GUIs for older IBMs I also remember one called GEM. Does
anyone know who developed it?
Wasn't that "Digital Research", the same people that did CP/M? 
15 Dec
15 Dec
8:55 p.m.
On 12/13/05, Bryan Pope <bpope at wordstock.com> wrote:
Speaking of GUIs for older IBMs I also remember one
called GEM. Does
anyone know who developed it?
GEM is still alive and in somewhat-active development. The PC version
has been released under GPL by Lineo, the thin-client division of the
old, not-evil Caldera; work is still in progress on it upgrading it to
add Atari ST GEM features:
http://www.deltasoft.com/
There is also a multitasking version called GEM-XM available there.
The ST version was never open-sourced but now all parts of it - the ST
ROM, which ran a CP/M-68k derivative called TOS, the AES, VDI and the
desktop, have all be reverse-engineered and rewritten, in several
versions. There are GPL versions of all of these. There is also a
Unix-like multitasking layer called MINT. There's a GPL distribution
of the whole OS under the name AFROS - the Atari FRee Operating
System. It's available as part of Aranym, a fast, JIT-compiling
emulated environment for running ST apps on Windows, Linux and OS X.
http://aranym.sourceforge.net/
This is a complete free state-of-the-art environment for emulating
enough of an Atari machine on modern hardware to run GEM apps and
software. It's pretty impressive.
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9:58 p.m.
This is a complete free state-of-the-art environment
for emulating
enough of an Atari machine on modern hardware to run GEM apps and
software. It's pretty impressive.
The underpinnings remind me a little of JET (Just Enough TOS) that allowed
MiNT to run on Macintoshes.
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10:24 p.m.
On 12/15/05, Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
Not met that one, but it sounds along the same lines, yes.
I'm not an old Atari person at all - I just researched this stuff 'cos
I'm on the FreeGEM mailing list & was interested.
Results are here:
http://members.aol.com/liamproven/reference/tos_hist.htm
Complete (AFAIK - corrections welcome) history of revisions and
versions of Atari ST operating systems.
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This is a
complete free state-of-the-art environment for emulating
enough of an Atari machine on modern hardware to run GEM apps and
software. It's pretty impressive.
The underpinnings remind me a little of JET (Just Enough TOS) that allowed
MiNT to run on Macintoshes. 
14 Dec
14 Dec
12:52 a.m.
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:18:37 -0800
Eric J Korpela <korpela at ssl.berkeley.edu> wrote:
Speaking of Geoworks, anyone have a copy of the rare
8088 devkit
for GEOS? IMHO, it's lack of wide distribution of a devkit that
killed GEOS the deadest. That and flying toasters.... I
probably would have used it for my main desktop if I could have
coded for it....
I'm also looking for a copy of the devkit for Windows 1.0X.
Being able to code for Windows 1 would kick a**.
ICK! Have you ever run Windows 1 for any productive purpose?
Being able to code for DOS 1.0 is more useful (I have the 1.0
BASIC and PASCAL compilers, and the early Aztec C compilers.)
Really, you can't run most Windows 1.x or 2.x apps on anything but
Windows 1.x or 2.x.
You might as well be developing TopView-friendly applications.
Eric
On 12/12/05, Jim Leonard <trixter at oldskool.org> wrote:
Allison wrote:
> If you used Geoworks, or
> Ghostscript (I used a retail package called "GOSCRIPT"), or
> Win 3.1, you could
> use any font you want and the print subsystem would just
> rasterize it as graphics.
> --
> Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org)
> http://www.oldskool.org/
> Want to help an ambitious games project?
> http://www.mobygames.com/
> Or check out some trippy MindCandy at
> http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
>
2:51 a.m.
You might as well be developing TopView-friendly
applications.
Yes, but those would be *useful*.
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8:13 a.m.
Scott Stevens wrote:
ICK! Have you ever run Windows 1 for any productive
purpose?
Sure, it was the runtime environment for the game Balance of Power ;-)
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11:10 p.m.
I'm also
looking for a copy of the devkit for Windows 1.0X.
Being able to code for Windows 1 would kick a**.
ICK! Have you ever run Windows 1 for any productive purpose?
11:27 p.m.
Eric J Korpela wrote:
(Yes, I have used Windows 3.0 on an XT. It's
very painful)
win /r itself wasn't that bad... what hurt more was the lack of applications
that would run on it. Even the flying toasters required 286 protected mode IIRC.
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