15 Oct
2001
15 Oct
'01
7:12 a.m.
I'm
looking for documentation for a 1963 minuteman missile navigation
computer. Any leads would be appreciated.
*spits coffee on monitor*
You're kidding, right? 
15 Oct
15 Oct
8:24 a.m.
It takes a little more than a nav computer to create a problem. All of the
arming equipment that is reposnible for the "nuclear consent" is destroyed
on-site, even trainer equipment.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Douglas Quebbeman
-> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:12 PM
-> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org'
-> Subject: RE: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile
-> computer
->
->
-> > > I'm looking for documentation for a 1963 minuteman missile
-> navigation
-> > > computer. Any leads would be appreciated.
-> > >
-> > *spits coffee on monitor*
-> >
-> > You're kidding, right?
->
-> I saw one sold on E-Bay a year or so ago, there must
-> be gobs of them in the surplus/salvage channels...
->
-> Let's hope they're all bought up by domestic hobbyists...
->
-> ;-)
->
-> -dq
->
9:05 a.m.
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
It takes a little more than a nav computer to create a
problem. All of the
arming equipment that is reposnible for the "nuclear consent" is destroyed
on-site, even trainer equipment.
If you've got access to the warhead, all you need is a power supply, a
capacitor bank and the desire to become component atoms. :)
g.
10:22 a.m.
And that's the key words - access to the warhead (by yourself) which is why
the "no lone zone/two man policy" (well now it's two person policy) has
been
around since back around the advent of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki detonations.
There are other ways to do it as well but I think I'll keep that to myself.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
-> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 4:05 PM
-> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> Subject: RE: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile
-> computer
->
->
->
->
-> On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
->
-> > It takes a little more than a nav computer to create a
-> problem. All of the
-> > arming equipment that is reposnible for the "nuclear consent"
-> is destroyed
-> > on-site, even trainer equipment.
-> >
-> If you've got access to the warhead, all you need is a power supply, a
-> capacitor bank and the desire to become component atoms. :)
->
-> g.
->
->
->
->
11:10 a.m.
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
And that's the key words - access to the warhead
(by yourself) which is why
the "no lone zone/two man policy" (well now it's two person policy) has
been
around since back around the advent of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki detonations.
There are other ways to do it as well but I think I'll keep that to myself.
What's scary to me is that if you can get a core (presumably from some
former soviet source), it's basically trivial to get even a partial yield.
g.
7:13 p.m.
I came up with this link to more info about the users
group. It has documentation as well for programming,
etc.
http://www.insinga.com/antique/d17b2/
Bill
Amsterdam, NL
--- Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
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And that's the key words - access to the
warhead
(by yourself) which is why 
2:19 p.m.
New subject: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer
At 02:05 PM 10/15/01 -0700, Gene wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
A capacitor bank? Is this to ensure homogeneity in a
compression w. standard explosives triggering scheme?
Carlos.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
It takes a little more than a nav computer to
create a problem. All of the
arming equipment that is reposnible for the "nuclear consent" is destroyed
on-site, even trainer equipment.
If you've got access to the warhead, all you need is a power supply, a
capacitor bank and the desire to become component atoms. :)
16 Oct
16 Oct
2:10 a.m.
New subject: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer
At 02:05 PM 10/15/01 -0700, Gene wrote:
Actually, I was thinking the caps would be required to fire the ignitors
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
A capacitor bank? Is this to ensure homogeneity in a
compression w. standard explosives triggering scheme?
It takes a little more than a nav computer to
create a problem. All of the
arming equipment that is reposnible for the "nuclear consent" is destroyed
on-site, even trainer equipment.
If you've got access to the warhead, all you need is a power supply, a
capacitor bank and the desire to become component atoms. :) from a portable power source. However, since I'm
not a nuclear weapons
designer or an explosives expert, I'm making a guess on
function based
upon what I've read and seen on shows that documented the original
construction of Fat Man. :)
g.
6:48 a.m.
New subject: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer
Modern ignitors go easily with the initiators so they don't really need the
cps but they insure a hot spark and no misfires. Old technology was to use
the cap bank to create enough spark to fire the equivelant of a
bullet/cartridge, now the initiators do that, which are easier to start,
like the primer in a bullet/cartridge. Static from a finger on a dry day can
set them off.
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
-> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:10 AM
-> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
-> Subject: RE: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile
-> computer
->
->
-> > At 02:05 PM 10/15/01 -0700, Gene wrote:
-> > >On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Russ Blakeman wrote:
-> > >> It takes a little more than a nav computer to create a
-> problem. All of the
-> > >> arming equipment that is reposnible for the "nuclear
-> consent" is destroyed
-> > >> on-site, even trainer equipment.
-> > >>
-> > >If you've got access to the warhead, all you need is a power supply, a
-> > >capacitor bank and the desire to become component atoms. :)
-> >
-> > A capacitor bank? Is this to ensure homogeneity in a
-> > compression w. standard explosives triggering scheme?
-> >
-> Actually, I was thinking the caps would be required to fire the ignitors
-> from a portable power source. However, since I'm not a nuclear weapons
-> designer or an explosives expert, I'm making a guess on function based
-> upon what I've read and seen on shows that documented the original
-> construction of Fat Man. :)
->
-> g.
->
->
->
7:24 a.m.
New subject: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer
A capacitor
bank? Is this to ensure homogeneity in a
compression w. standard explosives triggering scheme?
Actually, I was thinking the caps would be required to fire the ignitors
from a portable power source. However, since I'm not a nuclear weapons
designer or an explosives expert, I'm making a guess on function based
upon what I've read and seen on shows that documented the original
construction of Fat Man. :)
8:39 a.m.
New subject: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer
A capacitor bank? Is this to ensure homogeneity in a
compression w. standard explosives triggering scheme?
Actually, I was thinking the caps would be required to fire the ignitors
from a portable power source. However, since I'm not a nuclear weapons
designer or an explosives expert, I'm making a guess on function based
upon what I've read and seen on shows that documented the original
construction of Fat Man. :) 
1:50 p.m.
New subject: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer
For the gun type, all bets are off - it's a _much_
simpler design.
I wonder what kind of yeild you'd get using a .50 diameter bullet against
a 1.00 diameter target. (inches)
The answer is 0. The ISTR that the critical radius for U235 is about 9 cm.
For plutonium, the critical radius is about 5 cm. Plutonium doesn't work
too well in the gun types, so you would tend to get a small but extremely
messy explosion even with a critical assembly.
There are tricks to getting the critical radius down to lower values...
Eric
17 Oct
17 Oct
1:55 a.m.
New subject: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer
For the gun
type, all bets are off - it's a _much_ simpler design.
I wonder what kind of yeild you'd get using a .50 diameter bullet against
a 1.00 diameter target. (inches)
The answer is 0. The ISTR that the critical radius for U235 is about 9 cm.
For plutonium, the critical radius is about 5 cm. Plutonium doesn't work
too well in the gun types, so you would tend to get a small but extremely
messy explosion even with a critical assembly.
There are tricks to getting the critical radius down to lower values...
3:31 a.m.
New subject: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer
There are
tricks to getting the critical radius down to lower values...
Hmmm. Well, like I said, I'm not a weapon designer. I don't even play
one on TV. :)
(does the trick involve Tritium, or is that just a yield enhancer for
implosion types?)
4:51 a.m.
New subject: looking for documentation for 1963 minuteman missile computer
There are tricks to getting the critical radius down
to lower values...
Hmmm. Well, like I said, I'm not a weapon designer. I don't even play
one on TV. :)
(does the trick involve Tritium, or is that just a yield enhancer for
implosion types?) For some reason I don't understand and haven't
looked into, it's possible
to get a critical mass as low as 1 kg using plutonium nitrate solution
in a stainless steel implosion sphere. Yield would probably be a few kilotons.
You mean a _liquid_ in an implosion sphere? Wild.
Tritium is a yeild enhancer. Turns your A bomb into
an H bomb.
That's what I figured. I've heard that the Tritium needs to be replaced
on a regular basis due to decay...
g.
16 Oct
16 Oct
9:33 a.m.
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