In a message dated 1/23/02 5:54:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lemay(a)cs.umn.edu writes: << Well, as with any other system, once you know about the "vanilla" system, you to seems attempting Thats starting to sound a bit like white-coat syndrome. These computers are not rare artifacts to be hidden away behind glass walls, only to be touched by the neophites in white lab coats, you know. Go ahead and experiment, heck throw the completely wrong hardware in and cause a major short circuit! And in so doing, know that you can always get another apple ][+ or 3 for about $5 (if not for free, heaven knows i keep getting offered the things...) Cmon, what could possibly be less valuable than an Apple ][+? A C64 perhaps... just because they are plentiful in /some/ places doesnt mean you should just abuse them for fun. Around here, I havent seen any apple // items available for years. old computers, old cars and sundry items www.nothingtodo.org