Hre's one for the old-iron and who-was-first buffs. Take a look at http://www.tsd.de/lehmann/framed4a.htm The displayed machine is an East German development from the early 60's. The unit went into 'mass' production in 1963. It is sait that this might be the first desktop PC ever. The whole unit is self contained with CPU, two paper tape drived (one is also, IIRC, a puncher), and a front panel. THe comuter was ment to be as a 'workstation' on an engeneers desk. Now, does anyone of you know about a similar machine (especialy about the desktop part) produced in series before 1963? Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/