27 Jun
2002
27 Jun
'02
4:33 p.m.
Check out this beauty:
http://www.siconic.com/crap/Classic%20Computer%20Spider.jpg
She's about 3 inches in diameter. Maybe not the biggest you've ever seen,
but pretty much the biggest that's ever come out of my garage.
I found her hiding in the corner of my garage amidst the last remaining
old computer stuffs that are there. I caught her in a glass, where she
spent the rest of the day until I could figure out what to do with her.
I just let her go at the park down the street.
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27 Jun
27 Jun
4:56 p.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
Check out this beauty:
http://www.siconic.com/crap/Classic%20Computer%20Spider.jpg
She's about 3 inches in diameter. Maybe not the biggest you've ever seen,
but pretty much the biggest that's ever come out of my garage.
I found her hiding in the corner of my garage amidst the last remaining
old computer stuffs that are there. I caught her in a glass, where she
spent the rest of the day until I could figure out what to do with her.
I just let her go at the park down the street.
I just got a email AD for -- Growth Hormone -- enlarge your body.
Better check the spider has not ordered that ( with your credit card )
while you were making up your mind.
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4:57 p.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
Check out this beauty:
http://www.siconic.com/crap/Classic%20Computer%20Spider.jpg
She's about 3 inches in diameter. Maybe not the biggest you've ever seen,
but pretty much the biggest that's ever come out of my garage.
I found her hiding in the corner of my garage amidst the last remaining
old computer stuffs that are there. I caught her in a glass, where she
spent the rest of the day until I could figure out what to do with her.
I just let her go at the park down the street.
I would have squished it..... looks like a really big brown recluse to me.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
28 Jun
28 Jun
1:08 a.m.
and aren't brown recluse spiders VERY dangerous?
Chad Fernandez wrote:
Sellam Ismail wrote:
Check out this beauty:
http://www.siconic.com/crap/Classic%20Computer%20Spider.jpg
She's about 3 inches in diameter. Maybe not the biggest you've ever seen,
but pretty much the biggest that's ever come out of my garage.
I found her hiding in the corner of my garage amidst the last remaining
old computer stuffs that are there. I caught her in a glass, where she
spent the rest of the day until I could figure out what to do with her.
I just let her go at the park down the street.
I would have squished it..... looks like a really big brown recluse to me.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA 
26 Jun
26 Jun
12:57 a.m.
Very. Their venom causes the necrosis (destroying and decaying) of living
tissue, so you end up with a bite that doesn't heal and actually grows
larger. Without proper treatment it can get quite large and nasty and cause
other problems such as septicemia (poisoning of the blood).
Tarsi
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On Friday 28 June 2002 08:08, you wrote:
and aren't brown recluse spiders VERY dangerous?
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28 Jun
28 Jun
3:07 a.m.
David Barnes wrote:
and aren't brown recluse spiders VERY dangerous?
Well not like the Sidney Funnel Web, but yes they are dangerous. I'm
glad we don't have them here in Michigan..... Once in a while some will
be found, but in general it is too cold. Ther was a big nest in a
factory a few(?) years ago.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
3:35 a.m.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, David Barnes wrote:
and aren't brown recluse spiders VERY dangerous?
Yes, but from what I've read, this was most likely not a Brown Recluse.
The description doesn't match: only two sets of eyes, and no "fiddle"
markings on the body. Also, they are found primarily in the midwest of
the US.
I don't kill any creature unless it is presenting an imminent danger.
This was just a big, harmless, hairy spider that wanted to go about it's
business eating stupid bugs. And from the looks of it, this one spider
was probably keeping my garage free of stupid bugs single-handedly.
Now if I could only have trained her to go after ants I would have kept
her around :)
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4:04 a.m.
New subject: Spiders and Snakes; Was Re: Classic Computer Spider
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, David Barnes wrote:
Now if I could only have trained her to go after ants
I would have kept
her around :)
Amen. Here in Texas, the fire ant invasion is killing off all manner
of native life. When I was a kid in West Texas, horned toads were
literally as common as cockroaches. Unfortunately, their primary
delicacy is ants, and they'll sit by a mound or an ant trail and pick
the ants off. You can imagine what happens when a horny toad does that
on a fire ant mound. Fire ants will swarm an intruder, and are venomous
enough to make even a human adult ill, if there are enough bites. A
horned toad is easy pickings.
Horned toads are on the endangered species list now, and nobody I know
has even seen one in ten years. As far as I know or have been able to
find out, there aren't any "civilization" related factors in their
impending extinction. Just those blasted ants.
Doc
4:56 a.m.
New subject: Spiders and Snakes; Was Re: Classic Computer Spider
Horned toads are on the endangered species list now,
and nobody I know
has even seen one in ten years. As far as I know or have been able to
find out, there aren't any "civilization" related factors in their
impending extinction. Just those blasted ants.
Wow...I didn't know that. I remember visits to Texas as a kid
and seeing the horned toads all over the place. That sucks...
Jeff
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5:07 a.m.
New subject: Spiders and Snakes; Was Re: Classic Computer Spider
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Jeff Hellige wrote:
Yup. All else aside, it means I can't wear my favorite Western belt
buckle.
Doc, in a tasteless mood today.
Horned toads
are on the endangered species list now, and nobody I know
has even seen one in ten years. As far as I know or have been able to
find out, there aren't any "civilization" related factors in their
impending extinction. Just those blasted ants.
Wow...I didn't know that. I remember visits to Texas as a kid
and seeing the horned toads all over the place. That sucks... 
8:07 a.m.
New subject: Spiders and Snakes; Was Re: Classic Computer Spider
on 6/28/02 11:56 AM, Jeff Hellige at jhellige(a)earthlink.net wrote:
When my father first moved to Texas, he saw one as soon as he stepped out of
the car. He thought it was a scorpion at first. Maybe rather than the ants,
they left because they were angry with TCU for commercializing their image.
--
Owen Robertson
Horned toads
are on the endangered species list now, and nobody I know
has even seen one in ten years. As far as I know or have been able to
find out, there aren't any "civilization" related factors in their
impending extinction. Just those blasted ants.
Wow...I didn't know that. I remember visits to Texas as a kid
and seeing the horned toads all over the place. That sucks... 
10:04 a.m.
New subject: Spiders and Snakes; Was Re: Classic Computer Spider
lol..
Horn Toads are notoriously open source.
/VeK ... who has spent many childhood hours playing
around the TCU bio and chem buildings.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:07:31 -0500
Owen Robertson <univac2(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
on 6/28/02 11:56 AM, Jeff Hellige at
jhellige(a)earthlink.net wrote:
When my father first moved to Texas, he saw one as
soon as he stepped out of the car. He thought it was
a scorpion at first. Maybe rather than the ants, they
left because they were angry with TCU for
commercializing their image.
--
Owen Robertson
Horned
toads are on the endangered species list
now, and nobody I know> has even seen
one in ten
years. As far as I know or have been able to> find
out, there aren't any "civilization" related factors
in their> impending extinction. Just those blasted
ants.
Wow...I didn't know that. I remember visits to
Texas as a kid and seeing the horned toads all over
the place. That sucks...
8:11 a.m.
New subject: Spiders and Snakes; Was Re: Classic Computer Spider
Damn, i was unaware of that. I grew up in east Texas
(closest other home was about 12 miles from us). I
used to catch horned toads all the time. I used to
love the new born ones, about the size of a dime. We
would see them all over the place.
Kinda sad...
VeKTeReX
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:04:11 -0500 (CDT)
Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, David Barnes wrote:
Now if I could only have trained her to go after
ants I would have kept her around :)
Amen. Here in Texas, the fire ant invasion is
killing off all manner
of native life. When I was a kid in West Texas,
horned toads were literally as common as cockroaches.
Unfortunately, their primary
delicacy is ants, and they'll sit by a mound or an
ant trail and pick the ants off. You can imagine
what happens when a horny toad does that on a fire
ant mound. Fire ants will swarm an intruder, and are
venomous enough to make even a human adult ill, if
there are enough bites. A horned toad is easy
pickings.
Horned toads are on the endangered species list
now, and nobody I know
has even seen one in ten years. As far as I know or
have been able to find out, there aren't any
"civilization" related factors in their impending
extinction. Just those blasted ants.
Doc 
8:37 a.m.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
I don't kill any creature unless it is presenting
an imminent danger.
This was just a big, harmless, hairy spider that wanted to go about it's
business eating stupid bugs. And from the looks of it, this one spider
was probably keeping my garage free of stupid bugs single-handedly.
Now if I could only have trained her to go after ants I would have kept
her around :)
If you could train her to go after MICROSOFT bugs, she could grow to the
size of Oakland, and still not make a noticable change in the population.
7:21 a.m.
New subject: DEC gear with T-11 chip
What all did Digital make that used the T-11 chip?
I know of:
DEUNA
RQDX
VT-240
Falcon 11/21
8600 console
What else?
Thanks,
1:23 a.m.
> Check out this beauty:
>
> http://www.siconic.com/crap/Classic%20Computer%20Spider.jpg
>
> She's about 3 inches in diameter. Maybe not the biggest you've ever seen,
> but pretty much the biggest that's ever come out of my garage.
>
> I found her hiding in the corner of my garage amidst the last remaining
> old computer stuffs that are there. I caught her in a glass, where she
> spent the rest of the day until I could figure out what to do with her.
>
> I just let her go at the park down the street.
I would have squished it..... looks like a really big
brown recluse to me.
It's not. It looks like a wolf spider, almost, although they tend to be
hairier and more grey. A brown recluse has an abdomen much larger than its
thorax (this one the thorax is slightly larger), it tends to be a more
perverse brown-grey-green, and there's no fiddle marking. I mean, the fiddle
marking really does look like a fiddle, at least from the ones I remember
seeing in camp showers as a kid (shiver -- that'll put some paranoia in you).
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1:27 a.m.
I would have
squished it..... looks like a really big brown recluse to me.
It's not. It looks like a wolf spider, almost, although they tend to be
hairier and more grey. A brown recluse has an abdomen much larger than its
thorax (this one the thorax is slightly larger), it tends to be a more
perverse brown-grey-green, and there's no fiddle marking. I mean, the fiddle
marking really does look like a fiddle, at least from the ones I remember
seeing in camp showers as a kid (shiver -- that'll put some paranoia in you).
2:58 a.m.
That's not a brown recluse. It's a common house spider
(sorry i do not remember the scientific name),
EXTREMELY harmless :) We had them by the millions in
Texas and i have seen plenty of them down here in
Miami.
A lady was bitten by a brown recluse down here this
week and it actually made the news! You would think
that a place like Miami would have better news stories
available than that, but the level of ignorance and
fear of animals people seem to have in this part of the
country is amazing. Last year a guy found a small
(less than a foot) grass snake in his Christmas tree,
and that made the news as well. He actually called
animal control..hahaha. When i saw that i died
laughing. All i could think about was my 80 year old
grandmother killing 4 and 5 foot rattlesnakes in her
garden with a hoe and this 26 year old guy calls animal
control for a grass snake.
Sorry for going off topic...
/kevin
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:57:51 -0400
Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> wrote:
Sellam Ismail wrote:
Check out this beauty:
http://www.siconic.com/crap/Classic%20Computer%20Spider.jpg
She's about 3 inches in diameter. Maybe not the
biggest you've ever seen, but pretty much the
biggest that's ever come out of my garage.
I found her hiding in the corner of my garage
amidst the last remaining old computer stuffs that
are there. I caught her in a glass, where she
spent the rest of the day until I could figure out
what to do with her.
I just let her go at the park down the street.
I would have squished it..... looks like a really big
brown recluse to me.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA 
3:39 a.m.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, John Allain wrote:
Hey, I tried to justify its appropriateness by tying it to classic
computers. Isn't that the rule of thumb around here?
:)
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Sorry for
going off topic...
It's OK, we'll blame Sellam for this one.
3:24 a.m.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote:
I would have squished it..... looks like a really big
brown recluse to me.
That would not be right.
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10:11 a.m.
On Friday 28 June 2002 08:24 am, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote:
I talked to our "bug lady" (who was here on paper wasp business at my house
this morning) She declined to let me identify company or personal name. But
I would have squished it..... looks like a really
big brown recluse to
me.
That would not be right. from the pictue she said it was most likely a Wolf
spider, but it might have
been a brown recluse. She also said the proper thing do
do with the beast
was not to loose it in a local park, but to offere it to your cities
"Agricultural" department.
I don't know if Oakland CA has and "Agricultural" department....
ron hudson..
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On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:11:22 -0700, Ron Hudson wrote:
Having done post graduate research on arthropods, I can say that this
was a wolf spider. Wolf spiders are large spiders that chase down
their prey, rather than waiting in webs. They are quite common, and
harmless (although I imagine picking one up could result in a real
ouchy).
The brown recluse is small, about half an inch. Though common, they
hide in damp places and so are not often encountered.
Releasing the spider was definitely the right thing to do. By the way,
the way to conclusively identify a wolf spider is by the arrangement of
its multiple eyes. Sellam, did you look at its face? :-0
Louis
#I talked to our "bug lady" (...#from the pictue she said it was most
likely a Wolf spider, but it might have
#been a brown recluse.
4:04 p.m.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Louis Schulman wrote:
Releasing the spider was definitely the right thing to
do. By the way,
the way to conclusively identify a wolf spider is by the arrangement of
its multiple eyes. Sellam, did you look at its face? :-0
I did get as close up as I dared to but couldn't really make out any
distinguishing characteristics. However, you can pretty well make out the
top of her face from the photo. I guess those are two big eyes inside her
front legs. And those are some big-assed teeth coming out below her eyes
:)
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11:04 a.m.
Considering the size, I would say it was definitely a harmless wolf spider.
We have lots of them in New England--very fast. The cats love to chase and
eat them.
--Mike
Michael Nadeau
Editor/Publisher
Classic Tech, the Vintage Computing Resource
www.classictechpub.com
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From: "Ron Hudson" <rhudson(a)cnonline.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: Classic Computer Spider
On Friday 28 June 2002 08:24 am, Sellam Ismail wrote:
house
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote:
I talked to our "bug lady" (who was here on paper wasp business at my
I would have squished it..... looks like a really
big brown recluse to
me.
That would not be right. this morning) She declined to let me identify company
or personal name.
But
from the pictue she said it was most likely a Wolf
spider, but it might
have
been a brown recluse. She also said the proper thing
do do with the beast
was not to loose it in a local park, but to offere it to your cities
"Agricultural" department.
I don't know if Oakland CA has and "Agricultural" department....
ron hudson..
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On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Ron Hudson wrote:
I talked to our "bug lady" (who was here on
paper wasp business at my house
this morning) She declined to let me identify company or personal name. But
from the pictue she said it was most likely a Wolf spider, but it might have
been a brown recluse. She also said the proper thing do do with the beast
was not to loose it in a local park, but to offere it to your cities
"Agricultural" department.
I don't know if Oakland CA has and "Agricultural" department....
Well, I'm actually in Livermore, which most likely does have some sort of
Ag department being that we have a vibrant wine-making industry.
At any rate, I considered keeping her for the local high school or
community college science department but didn't think it would be fair to
keep her couped up in a glass until I could get her to one of those
places.
As far as the appropriateness of letting it loose in the "wild", we all
deserve to run naked and free through the woods.
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11:31 a.m.
I second that.... just gently (and carefully) move her to another spot far away
where she can enjoy life.... treat her like a mint condition PDP 11/70... (ie VERY
carefully).. hehe
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Chad Fernandez wrote:
I would have squished it..... looks like a really
big brown recluse to me.
That would not be right.
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