2 Mar
1998
2 Mar
'98
2:09 p.m.
I finally got the various pieces together that I need to hopefully setup
a shoebox for my 3/50. I have a copy of NetBSD on CD-ROM, the shoebox, and
60mb tapes.
My question is this: what is the best way to setup the shoebox with
NetBSD? I thought about hooking the shoebox and a CD up to a PeeCee and
trying to create a bootable tape (I don't know if this is even possible), or
copying the 68k distribution to the hard disk. If you read the FAQ on the
CD, it almost sounds like you need a bootable system to be able to install
it.
Any thoughts??
Rich Cini/WUGNET
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2 Mar
2 Mar
2:45 p.m.
At 08:09 pm 3/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
I finally got the various pieces together that I
need to hopefully setup
a shoebox for my 3/50. I have a copy of NetBSD on CD-ROM, the shoebox, and
60mb tapes.
My question is this: what is the best way to setup the shoebox with
NetBSD? I thought about hooking the shoebox and a CD up to a PeeCee and
trying to create a bootable tape (I don't know if this is even possible), or
copying the 68k distribution to the hard disk. If you read the FAQ on the
CD, it almost sounds like you need a bootable system to be able to install
it.
I suppose the first question is... what OS is on the PC? If you were
running some unix variant (Linux or *BSD), then you could just netboot the
Sun and go from there.
I believe that since you have NetBSD on CD (v 1.2.1, I presume from the
BSDisc), then the real trick is getting it to load the miniroot or some NFS
mounted equivalent. My gut feeling (short of loading NetBSD on the PC)
would be to see if you can 'dd' or 'rawrite' the miniroot to tape (I
don't
think the Sun bootloader will read the disk without a label).
Just a thought, your might want to join the Suns-At-Home mailing list
Submissions: suns-at-home(a)net-kitchen.com
Requests: suns-at-home-request(a)net-kitchen.com
WWW
Archive access: http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah
and see if they have an idea.
<<<John>>>
6:53 p.m.
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:09:56 -0500
From: "Richard A. Cini" <rcini(a)email.msn.com>
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Setting-up a Sun shoebox.
I finally got the various pieces together that I need to hopefully setup
a shoebox for my 3/50. I have a copy of NetBSD on CD-ROM, the shoebox, and
60mb tapes.
My question is this: what is the best way to setup the shoebox with
NetBSD? I thought about hooking the shoebox and a CD up to a PeeCee and
trying to create a bootable tape (I don't know if this is even possible), or
copying the 68k distribution to the hard disk. If you read the FAQ on the
CD, it almost sounds like you need a bootable system to be able to install
it.
Yeah, I think you would be better off netbooting the thing via
bootp rather than building a bootable tape. I have a couple 3/80's
here at home, and there are bunches of old 3/50's lying around at work
(the government owns them, they'll be there till the sun explodes).
The 3/50 didn't support CDROM's from the PROM as I remember, so you're
going to have to either make a bootable tape or netboot it. Do you
have another UNIX or Linux box and a LAN nearby?
J. Maynard Gelinas
7:43 p.m.
New subject: A possible (future) classic.
Apologies to the group for bringing up something that isn't
a classic (yet) but you should check out the disk drive
at:
http://www.allelec.com
They are selling off a bunch of HP "Kittyhawk" drives. At present
they only have one size left (the 20 mbyte) model. Although this
drive isn't 10+ years old, (like all things) it will be eventually
and by then it may be too late to get one.
The drive is very small (about the size of the smallest PostIt(R)
pad.) HP claims it is the smallest hard drive ever made (1.3 inch)
and they don't make them anymore. I imagine it may be the smallest
hard disk that will ever be made, since flash is already more dense
than this drive. At any rate they are fairly inexpensive.
I bought several and am toying with making a few "ultra miniature"
computer accessories ("matchbox" computers?)
Just for formalities: I have no connection with this site or company
except as an occasional (satisfied) customer.
Check it out.
Gary
3 Mar
3 Mar
2:42 a.m.
New subject: A possible (future) classic.
Gary,
Do these drives use a standard interface? They're neat drives, it's a
shame that HP quit building them.
Joe
At 10:43 PM 3/2/98 -0800, you wrote:
Apologies to the group for bringing up something that
isn't
a classic (yet) but you should check out the disk drive
at:
http://www.allelec.com
They are selling off a bunch of HP "Kittyhawk" drives. At present
they only have one size left (the 20 mbyte) model. Although this
drive isn't 10+ years old, (like all things) it will be eventually
and by then it may be too late to get one.
The drive is very small (about the size of the smallest PostIt(R)
pad.) HP claims it is the smallest hard drive ever made (1.3 inch)
and they don't make them anymore. I imagine it may be the smallest
hard disk that will ever be made, since flash is already more dense
than this drive. At any rate they are fairly inexpensive.
I bought several and am toying with making a few "ultra miniature"
computer accessories ("matchbox" computers?)
Just for formalities: I have no connection with this site or company
except as an occasional (satisfied) customer.
Check it out.
Gary
5:47 a.m.
New subject: A possible (future) classic.
On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Gary Oliver wrote:
The drive is very small (about the size of the
smallest PostIt(R)
pad.) HP claims it is the smallest hard drive ever made (1.3 inch)
and they don't make them anymore. I imagine it may be the smallest
hard disk that will ever be made, since flash is already more dense
than this drive. At any rate they are fairly inexpensive.
The Kittyhawk is pretty small, and I don't know of any machine other than
the Dauphin DTR-1 what used it. I don't think it's the smallest though.
Does anybody remember the Syquest SQ1100? Removable hard disks about the
size of a box of matches. They produced them for OEM eval, but I don't
think they ever made it to the retail channel. I have about 100 of them.
And then there was the Maxtor type-II PCMCIA hard disk. That's right, it
was rotating media enclosed in a type-II card (not the type-III or type-IV
cards most PCMCIA hard disks use). I think they killed this drive after
making a few samples, but I saw it at COMDEX one year and was very
impressed.
-- Doug
6:50 a.m.
New subject: A possible (future) classic.
On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Doug Yowza wrote:
The Kittyhawk is pretty small, and I don't know of
any machine other than
the Dauphin DTR-1 what used it. I don't think it's the smallest though.
Does anybody remember the Syquest SQ1100? Removable hard disks about the
size of a box of matches. They produced them for OEM eval, but I don't
think they ever made it to the retail channel. I have about 100 of them.
I just got off my lazy butt and actually compared the two drives side by
side. They are both the same width, but the kittyhawk is considerable
shorter in length and taller.
SQ1100 media: 1.8" x 2.0" x 3/16"
Kittyhawk: 1.8" x 1 5/8" x 3/8"
PCMCIA-II drives would need to be 3/16" tall or under, I'd guess.
(measurements done with a crude tape measure.)
-- Doug
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