28 Nov
2005
28 Nov
'05
9:11 p.m.
My IBM 1130 arrived today from Austria. It was packed very well, first
wrapped in cardboard, then plastic wrap, then a sealed foil material,
and finally a really strong crate. It spent a week in customs but they
never even opened it up. The machine itself is quite dirty and will take
some time to clean up, but looks complete and restorable. It came with a
box of disk cartridges with unknown data or software. The main problem I
have is that it's a 50 Hz machine. I assume the power supply could run
on 60 Hz but the disk drive probably will not run correctly on 60 Hz. I
believe the best thing is to start looking for a 60 Hz to 50 Hz power
converter. Have a look at the unpacking at:
http://www.dvq.com
Bob
28 Nov
28 Nov
9:28 p.m.
Am dinsdag, 29.11.05, um 06:11 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Bob
Rosenbloom:
My IBM 1130 arrived today from Austria. It was packed
very well, first
wrapped in cardboard, then plastic wrap, then a sealed foil material,
and finally a really strong crate. It spent a week in customs but they
never even opened it up. The machine itself is quite dirty and will
take some time to clean up, but looks complete and restorable. It came
with a box of disk cartridges with unknown data or software. The main
problem I have is that it's a 50 Hz machine. I assume the power supply
could run on 60 Hz but the disk drive probably will not run correctly
on 60 Hz. I believe the best thing is to start looking for a 60 Hz to
50 Hz power converter. Have a look at the unpacking at:
Shipping must have been more expensive than the machine itself....
Jos
9:44 p.m.
Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
. I assume the power supply could run on 60 Hz but the
disk drive
probably will not run correctly on 60 Hz. I believe the best thing is
to start looking for a 60 Hz to 50 Hz power converter. Have a look at
the unpacking at:
frequently the 50 to 60 hz will involve a pully and belt change on any
mechanical system that involves larger motors directly powered from the
main supply. Other than that most of what you have should be strapable
for voltage and frequency.
On ebay, you might search for an Elgar converter, or pacific power
systems (I think) of huntington beach, ca) both of which make larger
variable frequency supplies.
I had an elgar in the 5kw range, and a pacific supply that was 3kw in
the past and both were quite reliable with solid state outputs. Both could
handle the power factors to run motors as well as the power supplies.
They will probably be cheaper than what I had if they are strapped to a
fixed voltage and frequency as well. My pacific system had a 43 to 1000
hz variable oscillator, which allowed 400hz power.
jim
10:26 p.m.
On 11/28/2005 at 9:11 PM Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
My IBM 1130 arrived today from Austria. It was packed
very well..
Thanks for some memories, Bob! It's always kind of strange to look at a
machine that you haven't seen for more than 30 years.
I hope you manage to get it running again.
Cheers,
Chuck
11:24 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Thanks for some memories, Bob! It's always kind of
strange to look at a
machine that you haven't seen for more than 30 years.
Well the 1st computer I used was IBM 1130, in 1981. It was scrapped for
gold the next year.
Don't say 30 years, it makes me feel old! :)
29 Nov
29 Nov
10:57 a.m.
On 11/29/2005 at 12:24 AM woodelf wrote:
Don't say 30 years, it makes me feel old! :)
It'd be closer to 40 if you got one when the system was new. A very odd
bird--I think many business customers opted instead for the S/360-20 as an
entry system. The first cousin of the 1130, the 1800, however, enjoyed
quite a run as a process-control computer. I know that the Standard Oil
refinery not too far from my home used one. One of the problems with the
1130 is that it was a dead-end; there was no real upgrade path beyond core
increments and a few peripheral choices. In particular, I'm not aware of
anyone trying to hook a 729 tape drive to one, nor even sure that it could
be done.
I hope Bob can get this thing working, though I don't envy him working with
old core that's been through a long-distance voyage. I suppose there's
always SRAM if the memory's not salvageable.
I didn't spend that much time on the 1130 (8K models were sort of limited),
but I do remember the Selectric console typewriter and the 2315 cartridge
drive--and a very small instruction set that one could learn in an
afternoon.
Cheers,
Chuck
2:36 p.m.
"Chuck Guzis" wrote:
I didn't spend that much time on the 1130 (8K models were sort of limited),
but I do remember the Selectric console typewriter and the 2315 cartridge
drive--and a very small instruction set that one could learn in an
afternoon.
I have to say I loved working on the 1130. Everything said before seems
true, but it was fun to use as a user.
I loved to hear the 27 pass EMU fortran compiler grind away as it compiled.
And I loved to hog the machine all to my self, install the APL typeball
and tap away...
and the fortran abends could be heard far down the hall as the row of
stars was printed - "ka *chunk* bah bah bah bah bah kah *chunk*"
I guess at the time (with 4k pdp-8's), 8k seemed reasonable.
I will say, however, that when the pdp-11 arrived I was smitten :-)
-brad
4:52 p.m.
New subject: OLD Mac SCSI hardware
Any mac collectors or all around packrats happen to have a manual or driver
software for a 1991 Micronet NuPort II NUBUS SCSI card?
I want to know what the switch block called HOST ID D0-D7 needs to be set to
in my IIfx. Drivers or a manual would be a definite plus also.
Most of the driver archives on the net rarely have drivers for anything pre
1995 , do any of the people on the list have an resources for things like
that (or a personal stash?)?
Thanks for any help.
TZ
30 Nov
30 Nov
11:54 a.m.
New subject: OLD Mac SCSI hardware
On 30/11/05 00:52, "Teo Zenios" <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
Any mac collectors or all around packrats happen to
have a manual or driver
software for a 1991 Micronet NuPort II NUBUS SCSI card?
I want to know what the switch block called HOST ID D0-D7 needs to be set to
in my IIfx. Drivers or a manual would be a definite plus also.
I'm guessing that's going to be the SCSI ID of the card itself so if you've
only got a couple of SCSI devices to connect to it you could use the default
SCSI host id of 6.....at the end of the day as long as each device connected
to the card has a different number to the card itself you'll be OK for a
basic setup.
A
29 Nov
29 Nov
1:20 a.m.
Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
My IBM 1130 arrived today from Austria. It was packed
very well, first
wrapped in cardboard, then plastic wrap, then a sealed foil material,
and finally a really strong crate. It spent a week in customs but they
never even opened it up. The machine itself is quite dirty and will
take some time to clean up, but looks complete and restorable. It came
with a box of disk cartridges with unknown data or software. The main
problem I have is that it's a 50 Hz machine. I assume the power supply
could run on 60 Hz but the disk drive probably will not run correctly
on 60 Hz. I believe the best thing is to start looking for a 60 Hz to
50 Hz power converter. Have a look at the unpacking at:
You could still have a system disk, locked in the drive.
Other than power,I think you have two other major problems.
1) 8192 words of memory
2) No card reader/punch
http://www.dvq.com
Bob
.
4:59 a.m.
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, woodelf wrote:
You could still have a system disk, locked in the
drive.
On the photo there's no disk in the drive.
Other than power,I think you have two other major
problems.
1) 8192 words of memory
2) No card reader/punch
And some more:
3) No 1132 printer (main output device, the console is hardly used by any
program)
4) No card decks with the disk boot loader and application programs
Especially the lack of 2) and 3) make the unit quite useless for the
moment. You need to find a 1442 card reader/punch and the 1132 printer.
Of course you can program your own disk operating system that works
without cards and printer, just with the console. But then you're missing
all the print sets.
What is the serial number of the machine? Are there cartridges
with interesting looking software? I can make 1130 2310-cartridge dumps to
a file on a modern computer (usable e.g. with SIMH), but our machine is in
Germany...
BTW. is there ANY other 1130 in fully working order? I know Brian Knittel
has a machine but I think it's not working yet. It's the same as with the
LGP-30, there are some people who own such a machine but don't get them to
work...
Christian
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