13 Oct
2016
13 Oct
'16
8:51 a.m.
the perennial '937' problem
just installed 6085 XDE 5.0 from floppies but there is no option in the
installer to load and setup to boot settimedove.boot from the copilot volume
someone must have figured this out
on the other hand, since none of the compilers or actual useful stuff is installed,
since you're SUPPOSED to fetch this off the XNS network, maybe not.
I should post this on comp.sys.xerox :-)
13 Oct
13 Oct
3:17 p.m.
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 4:51 AM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
the perennial '937' problem
just installed 6085 XDE 5.0 from floppies but there is no option in the
installer to load and setup to boot settimedove.boot from the copilot volume
someone must have figured this out
on the other hand, since none of the compilers or actual useful stuff is installed,
since you're SUPPOSED to fetch this off the XNS network, maybe not.
I should post this on comp.sys.xerox :-)
Assuming you've installed this to an emulated disk... if you can chuck
the disk image over to me there's a few things I could try... I have a
6085 running VP & Lisp images from Dave's MFM emulator.
Mike
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3:38 p.m.
On 10/13/16 3:17 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
Assuming you've installed this to an emulated
disk... if you can chuck
the disk image over to me there's a few things I could try... I have a
6085 running VP & Lisp images from Dave's MFM emulator.
I only have one emulator right now, and I've been busy dumping MFM
disks.
I did take a snapshot of XDE 5.0 though. I'll put that up on
bitsavers/bits/Xerox/6085
Today's project is trying to get Smalltalk installed. Minor detour getting a HxC
floppy
emulator working correctly. It turns out OSX disk utility doesn't make a FAT32 fs the
HxC
understands, so I had to use Rufus on WinXP.
Also, if anyone needs it, I made a high resolution scan of the Xerox optical mousepad
which is up under pdf/xerox/mouse
3:40 p.m.
Oh, and a HUGE thank you to Dave for getting 6085 sector extraction working
this past week!
On 10/13/16 3:38 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 10/13/16 3:17 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
Assuming you've installed this to an emulated
disk... if you can chuck
the disk image over to me there's a few things I could try... I have a
6085 running VP & Lisp images from Dave's MFM emulator.
I only have one emulator right now, and I've been busy dumping MFM
disks.
I did take a snapshot of XDE 5.0 though. I'll put that up on
bitsavers/bits/Xerox/6085
Today's project is trying to get Smalltalk installed. Minor detour getting a HxC
floppy
emulator working correctly. It turns out OSX disk utility doesn't make a FAT32 fs the
HxC
understands, so I had to use Rufus on WinXP.
Also, if anyone needs it, I made a high resolution scan of the Xerox optical mousepad
which is up under pdf/xerox/mouse
4:04 p.m.
On 10/13/16 3:38 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
Today's project is trying to get Smalltalk
installed.
requirements 8k control store, 3.7mb memory and it turns out
you can't have anything higher than a rev C IOP board, I assume
it doesn't know how to deal with the changes made for the bigger
disks
14 Oct
14 Oct
6:07 a.m.
what I just posted on comp.sys.xerox
I probably should just email Don Woodward or Dave Curbow.
----
On 10/13/16 11:03 AM, Huge wrote:
Has *no-one* implemented an XNS time-server on, say,
Linux?
There are Unix implementations of XNS from way back, but as far as I know
no one has moved these forward to modern systems.
My first message was a bit cryptic, mainly to target folks who would be
familiar with the problem to reply. The problem is the designers of the
OS wisely knew that running with the clock not set was a bad idea, so
unless the software boot switch "\200" is set, the system will hang at
MP code 937 waiting for the network time server to reply. There are a
couple of ways around the problem. Provide a modern clock service on the
net, install a boot program that forces the user to enter the time and
date, then jump to the OS boot, or boot without setting the date and either
have a program run at startup manually or in the startup script to do it.
There isn't a general solution to installing the time setting boot program,
since it requires a partition separate from the OS to install the boot file
into, and I'm not sure how it knows which partition to reboot into. The only
example I've seen of that was reusing the Scavenger partition in ViewPoint
when installing a Standalone system. I'm not sure yet how Interlisp-D sets
the time (have to pull my installation disks out of storage).
So what I was looking for was if this was solved back in the day in a general
fashion
13 Oct
13 Oct
7:42 p.m.
On 10/13/16 3:17 PM, Mike Ross wrote:
Assuming you've installed this to an emulated
disk... if you can chuck
the disk image over to me there's a few things I could try... I have a
6085 running VP & Lisp images from Dave's MFM emulator.
the way that the script works for viewpoint is it is installed in the Scavenger
partition, which doesn't exist in an XDE 5.0 install w/o ViewPoint (see below)
from the VP install script:
Request 6085 VP Standalone: Common Software
Comment Installing Standalone Common Software...
Online RD0
Data User Standalone and Remote
Data User Terminal Emulation Common Software
Erase Scavenger
Fetch Scavenger SetTimeDove.boot
Set Physical Scavenger Y
Set Boot Scavenger .
Comment Installation of Standalone Common Software is complete
Close
-- the XDE install script
--XDE5.0InstallationFor80MBDisk.script
-- Created by J. Luis Clavijo
-- Last edited by J. Luis Clavijo 18-Dec-86 14:40:50
\Partition 80 MB disk into 2 volumes for XDE only
Comment Partition 80 MB disk into 2 volumes for XDE only
Comment WARNING - PARTITIONING DISK DESTROYS ALL CONTENT
Confirm Continue?
Pause 4
Comment SECOND CONFIRMATION REQUIRED
Confirm Continue?
Comment Partitioning.... Takes approximately 5 minutes. Please wait.
Physical RD0 Y
Online RD0
Create RD0 XDE 2
Tajo 60000 normal
CoPilot debugger
-- 2 SP between CoPilot & debugger for default size
Check RD0 Y
Comment Disk partitioned
\Partition 80 MB disk into 4 volumes: 2 for XDE and 2 for ViewPoint
Comment Partition 80 MB disk into 4 volumes: 2 for XDE and 2 for ViewPoint
Comment WARNING - PARTITIONING DISK DESTROYS ALL CONTENT
Confirm Continue?
Pause 4
Comment SECOND CONFIRMATION REQUIRED
Confirm Continue?
Comment Partitioning.... Takes approximately 5 minutes. Please wait.
Physical RD0 Y
Online RD0
Create RD0 XDE 4
User 45000 normal
Scavenger 3300 normal
Tajo 20000 normal
CoPilot debugger
-- 2 SP between CoPilot & debugger for default size
Check RD0 Y
Comment Disk partitioned
\Partition 80 MB disk into 4 volumes: 2 for XDE and 2 for Interlisp
Comment Partition 80 MB disk into 4 volumes: 2 for XDE and 2 for Interlisp
Comment WARNING - PARTITIONING DISK DESTROYS ALL CONTENT
Confirm Continue?
Pause 4
Comment SECOND CONFIRMATION REQUIRED
Confirm Continue?
Comment Partitioning.... Takes approximately 5 minutes. Please wait.
Physical RD0 Y
Online RD0
Create RD0 XDE 4
Lisp 20000 normal
LispFiles 20000 normal
Tajo 20000 normal
CoPilot debugger
-- 2 SP between CoPilot & debugger for default size
Check RD0 Y
Comment Disk partitioned
\Partition 80 MB disk into 6 volumes: 2 each for XDE, ViewPoint, and Interlisp
Comment Partition 80 MB disk into 6 volumes: 2 each for XDE, ViewPoint, and Interlisp
Comment WARNING - PARTITIONING DISK DESTROYS ALL CONTENT
Confirm Continue?
Pause 4
Comment SECOND CONFIRMATION REQUIRED
Confirm Continue?
Comment Partitioning.... Takes approximately 5 minutes. Please wait.
Physical RD0 Y
Online RD0
Create RD0 XDE 6
Lisp 20000 normal
LispFiles 20000 normal
User 30000 normal
Scavenger 2700 normal
Tajo 15000 normal
CoPilot debugger
-- 2 SP between CoPilot & debugger for default size
Check RD0 Y
Comment Disk partitioned
\Install XDE Boot Files only
Online RD0
Comment Ready to Install XDE Boot Files
Confirm Continue?
Request XDEBoot1
Comment Installing Boot Files (part 1)...
Fetch CoPilot CoPilotDove.boot
Close
Request XDEBoot2
Comment Installing Boot Files (part 2)...
Fetch CoPilot CoPilotDove.boot
Close
Request XDEBoot3
Comment Installing Boot Files (part 3)...
Fetch CoPilot CoPilotDove.boot
Close
Request XDEBoot4
Comment Installing Boot Files (part 4)...
Fetch CoPilot CoPilotDove.boot
Fetch Tajo TajoDove.boot
Close
Request XDEBoot5
Comment Installing Boot Files (part 5)...
Fetch Tajo TajoDove.boot
Close
Request XDEBoot6
Comment Installing Boot Files (part 6)...
Fetch Tajo TajoDove.boot
Close
Request XDEBoot7
Comment Installing Boot Files (part 7)...
Fetch Tajo TajoDove.boot
Initial RD0 DiskInitialDove.db
Close
Request XDEBoot8
Comment Installing Boot Files (part 8)...
Pilot CoPilot MesaDove.db Y
Germ CoPilot Dove.germ Y
Diagnostic CoPilot MoonRise.db Y
Comment XDE Boot Files Completed
Close
---
so you can boot setTime if you partition w XDE and VP partitions
8:08 p.m.
On 10/13/16 7:42 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
from the VP install script:
Request 6085 VP Standalone: Common Software
Comment Installing Standalone Common Software...
Online RD0
Data User Standalone and Remote
Data User Terminal Emulation Common Software
Erase Scavenger
Fetch Scavenger SetTimeDove.boot
Set Physical Scavenger Y
Set Boot Scavenger .
Comment Installation of Standalone Common Software is complete
Close
the other thing if there is a setTime tool is disable the hang at boot by setting the
switch \200
\Initialize 6085 PCS with XDE and ViewPoint
Confirm Ready to start?
Online RD0
Set Physical CoPilot YYYY
Set Boot User Odu}\370
Set Boot CoPilot W <-- \200
Boot CoPilot W <-- \200
Close
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