10 Jul
2005
10 Jul
'05
12:28 a.m.
Did anyone find out if that really was an Apple 1 on
ebay?
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10 Jul
10 Jul
12:42 a.m.
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, steven stengel wrote:
Did anyone find out if that really was an Apple 1 on
ebay?
I put in a message to the buyer to inform me when he gets it but I never
got a reply. I can assume it has either already arrived or will be
arriving at the buyer's locale soon, so I'll ping him in a day or two to
see if he'll respond.
hehe. moron.<ahem><ahem>...<ahem>
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4:17 a.m.
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Subject: Re: Apple 1 on ebay - Well, WAS it an Apple 1??
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, steven stengel wrote:
Festival
You know the guy might be a member of this list, so watch the name calling.
Did anyone find out if that really was an Apple 1
on ebay?
I put in a message to the buyer to inform me when he gets it but I never
got a reply. I can assume it has either already arrived or will be
arriving at the buyer's locale soon, so I'll ping him in a day or two to
see if he'll respond.
hehe. moron.<ahem><ahem>...<ahem>
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4:47 a.m.
If the person is a member of the list, they should've known better and
NOT have bid.
Teo Zenios wrote:
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, steven stengel wrote:
Festival
You know the guy might be a member of this list, so watch the name calling.
Did anyone find out if that really was an Apple 1
on ebay?
I put in a message to the buyer to inform me when he gets it but I never
got a reply. I can assume it has either already arrived or will be
arriving at the buyer's locale soon, so I'll ping him in a day or two to
see if he'll respond.
hehe. moron.<ahem><ahem>...<ahem>
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5:38 a.m.
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, Teo Zenios wrote:
Sorry, I prefer to be brutally honest here.
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On Sat, 9 Jul
2005, steven stengel wrote:
You know the guy might be a member of this list, so watch the name calling. Did anyone find out if that really was an Apple 1
on ebay?
I put in a message to the buyer to inform me when he gets it but I never
got a reply. I can assume it has either already arrived or will be
arriving at the buyer's locale soon, so I'll ping him in a day or two to
see if he'll respond.
hehe. moron.<ahem><ahem>...<ahem> 
7:18 a.m.
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Sorry, I prefer to be brutally honest here.
But, I mean, just in terms of getting a response at all, it's harder
for someone to speak up if they are already judged a "moron".
I'd love to hear what they actually got, without calling them names
if it turns out to be an apple //e or whatever.
- Joe
(we've all fucked up at least once. I bought a Bentley for 20K that I
sold for 6K. e.g.)
5:24 p.m.
On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:18:25 -0700
John Napier <napier at waste.org> wrote:
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
It might be a big board, or somesuch equally interesting early system
somebody put together out of a magazine article 'in their own style.'
It's likely not a 'real' Apple I. But for those of us interested in
early tech, the datecodes on the chip and the novelty of whatever it is
and however it is constructed matters more than being the first product
Sorry, I prefer to be brutally honest here.
But, I mean, just in terms of getting a response at all, it's harder
for someone to speak up if they are already judged a "moron".
I'd love to hear what they actually got, without calling them names
if it turns out to be an apple //e or whatever.
- Joe
(we've all fucked up at least once. I bought a Bentley for 20K that I
sold for 6K. e.g.)
from a rather popular hardware brand.
I'm sorry, but when 'scarcity' becomes the deciding factor in how
'interesting' a piece of equipment is to the community, this hobby is
close to becoming another room full of stamp collectors, or worse, Star
Wars 'collectable' fanatics.
6:20 p.m.
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, John Napier wrote:
But, I mean, just in terms of getting a response at
all, it's harder
for someone to speak up if they are already judged a "moron".
I'd love to hear what they actually got, without calling them names
if it turns out to be an apple //e or whatever.
- Joe
(we've all fucked up at least once. I bought a Bentley for 20K that I
sold for 6K. e.g.)
That's not a fuck-up, that's reality. You made the choice knowing
everything. There's no analogy whatsoever to what happened here, which is
someone buying a wooden box with a keyboard on speculation (driven by the
seller's fraud through omission) that it was something else.
If it does end up being an Apple-1 I will eat my first born.
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5:18 p.m.
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:17:39 -0400
"Teo Zenios" <teoz at neo.rr.com> wrote:
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Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: Apple 1 on ebay - Well, WAS it an Apple 1??
Even if s/he isn't a member of the list, that kind of tone repels
people. We need to strive not to come off as a superior elite.
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, steven stengel wrote:
Festival
You know the guy might be a member of this list, so watch the name
calling.
Did anyone find out if that really was an Apple 1
on ebay?
I put in a message to the buyer to inform me when he gets it but I
never got a reply. I can assume it has either already arrived or
will be arriving at the buyer's locale soon, so I'll ping him in a
day or two to see if he'll respond.
hehe. moron.<ahem><ahem>...<ahem>
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6:31 p.m.
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
Even if s/he isn't a member of the list, that kind of tone repels
people. We need to strive not to come off as a superior elite.
I'm a "superior elite" because I pointed out what an idiot someone is for
doing something superiorly idiotic? How does that work?
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On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, steven stengel wrote:
Festival
You know the guy might be a member of this list, so watch the name
calling.
Did anyone find out if that really was an Apple 1
on ebay?
I put in a message to the buyer to inform me when he gets it but I
never got a reply. I can assume it has either already arrived or
will be arriving at the buyer's locale soon, so I'll ping him in a
day or two to see if he'll respond.
hehe. moron.<ahem><ahem>...<ahem>
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Computer
7:12 p.m.
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT)
Vintage Computer Festival <vcf at siconic.com> wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
Even if s/he isn't a member of the list, that kind of tone repels
people. We need to strive not to come off as a superior elite.
I'm a "superior elite" because I pointed out what an idiot someone is
for doing something superiorly idiotic? How does that work?
You spoke of that individual in the manner in which one who is in a
clique speaks to other members about outsiders.
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, steven stengel wrote:
> Did anyone find out if that really was an Apple 1 on ebay?
I put in a message to the buyer to inform me when he gets it but
I never got a reply. I can assume it has either already arrived
or will be arriving at the buyer's locale soon, so I'll ping him
in a day or two to see if he'll respond.
hehe. moron.<ahem><ahem>...<ahem>
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Computer
Festival
You know the guy might be a member of this list, so watch the name
calling.
9:57 p.m.
I'm a "superior elite" because I pointed
out what an idiot someone is
for doing something superiorly idiotic? How does that work?
Hmmmm.
Howzbout: find the two highest bidders from that auction;
pick cardboard boxes at random from the warehouse, . . .
"it has cards and wires in it, and SOMEWHERE there might be an Apple 1,
or Altair prototypes,...."
11 Jul
11 Jul
3:10 a.m.
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Fred Cisin wrote:
That's really not a half bad idea. Is it legal to take advantage of
stupid people? If so, it shouldn't be.
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I'm a
"superior elite" because I pointed out what an idiot someone is
for doing something superiorly idiotic? How does that work?
Hmmmm.
Howzbout: find the two highest bidders from that auction;
pick cardboard boxes at random from the warehouse, . . .
"it has cards and wires in it, and SOMEWHERE there might be an Apple 1,
or Altair prototypes,...." 
13 Jul
13 Jul
12:17 a.m.
On 7/11/05, Joe R. <rigdonj at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
At 07:10 PM 7/10/05 -0700, Sellam Ismail wrote:
That's "lotteries". Words ending in Y when the penultimate letter is a
consonant change -y to -ies when forming the plural. If the preceding
letter is not a consonant - in other words it's a vowel - then an S is
suffixed in the normal way. So "monkey" -> "monkeys",
"key" -> "keys",
"day" -> "days", but "penny" -> "pennies"
and "sky" -> "skies".
Now, of course, some people might say anyone but a moron would know
that. I, genuinely, wouldn't, but I think it shows a point.
Saying that, the eBay sale does sound pretty damned stupid, but I
missed the original entry...
P.S. Agree 100% about lotteries!
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That's really not a half bad idea. Is it legal to take advantage of
stupid people?
Sure it is. What do you think lotterys are all about?
11 Jul
11 Jul
3:07 a.m.
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
I'm wrong for I ridiculing someone for being a complete moron? Again, how
does that work?
Look, this is the last time I'll explain this: these guys (buyer and
seller) are fucking idiots, and if by ridiculing them it means they will
go away then I can't think of a better thing that could happen. I
absolutely do not want people that stupid coming into my favorite pastime
and screwing it up because they are incapable of smelling what was
obviously a scam.
Get it? Good. Shut up.
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I'm a
"superior elite" because I pointed out what an idiot someone is
for doing something superiorly idiotic? How does that work?
You spoke of that individual in the manner in which one who is in a
clique speaks to other members about outsiders. 
12 Jul
12 Jul
5:42 a.m.
>>>> hehe.
moron.<ahem><ahem>...<ahem>
>> Even if s/he isn't a member of the list, that kind of tone repels
>> people. We need to strive not to come off as a superior elite.
> I'm a "superior elite" because I pointed out what an idiot someone
> is or doing something superiorly idiotic?
No, for pointing it out in the "pointing and laughing" kind of
ridiculing way you did.
And it's not that it makes you "superior elite"; it makes you *come off
as* "superior elite".
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9:37 a.m.
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, der Mouse wrote:
No, I said it in a mocking and deriding sort of way.
> I'm a
"superior elite" because I pointed out what an idiot someone
> is or doing something superiorly idiotic?
No, for pointing it out in the "pointing and laughing" kind of
ridiculing way you did. And it's not that it makes you "superior
elite"; it makes you *come off
as* "superior elite".
Whatever.
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10 Jul
10 Jul
7:15 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf at siconic.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Apple 1 on ebay - Well, WAS it an Apple 1??
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Scott Stevens wrote:
Even if s/he isn't a member of the list, that kind of tone repels
people. We need to strive not to come off as a superior elite.
I'm a "superior elite" because I pointed out what an idiot someone is for
doing something superiorly idiotic? How does that work?
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Festival
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005, steven stengel wrote:
> Did anyone find out if that really was an Apple 1 on ebay?
I put in a message to the buyer to inform me when he gets it but I
never got a reply. I can assume it has either already arrived or
will be arriving at the buyer's locale soon, so I'll ping him in a
day or two to see if he'll respond.
hehe. moron.<ahem><ahem>...<ahem>
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Festival
You know the guy might be a member of this list, so watch the name
calling.
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It is in the attitude and presentation. Lots of people have great knowledge
of a specific small niche and general knowledge of everything else. When you
start calling people names and making fun of them because they do not have
the vast knowledge of some particular niche that you do you come off as
elitist and a jerk. How would you feel if you went to the doctor because you
think you had some disease and the doctor called his other medical buddies
into the room and started calling you an idiot because you misdiagnosed the
"simple" condition and they all pointed and laughed at you?
There are many people in this world not thick skinned as I am and apparently
you are Sellam. If you make comments on a public list ridiculing somebody
for their lack of knowledge many people will simply stay lurkers and never
post anything meaningful to this list (or simple quit). Some of those people
might even run into a part you actually need but will never know about. In
many areas you can accomplish more with good people skills then you can with
an attitude and vast amounts of knowledge and ability. Why scare people away
from the hobby when you could bring more people in with
the knowledge you
accumulate? Of course if you really are an elitist then you could
care less
about anybody that does not posses the "valuable" knowledge you have, and I
am wasting my time typing this up.
The person in question must be good at something marketable to be able to
afford the things he buys on ebay (unless of course he has hit the lottery
or rich deceased relatives).
11 Jul
11 Jul
3:03 a.m.
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005, Teo Zenios wrote:
It is in the attitude and presentation. Lots of people
have great
knowledge of a specific small niche and general knowledge of everything
else. When you start calling people names and making fun of them because
they do not have the vast knowledge of some particular niche that you do
you come off as elitist and a jerk. How would you feel if you went to
the doctor because you think you had some disease and the doctor called
his other medical buddies into the room and started calling you an idiot
because you misdiagnosed the "simple" condition and they all pointed and
laughed at you?
What the fuck are you talking about now? If I have to spell this out for
you then you're as big an idiot as the guy you're trying to defend.
I am wasting my time typing this up.
You sure did.
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