25 Jun
2001
25 Jun
'01
1:22 a.m.
hey do you have any ideas about using relays or
some thing connected
to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know
like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought
or ideas I'd be glad to hear them.
X10, why reinvent the wheel?
or
Rotten computer sent that before I could add
http://www.sophisticated.com/ currently mac oriented, but moving to USB and
all platforms.
More generic stuff, looks pricey though.
http://www.dataprobe.com
http://ecatalog.squared.com/catalog/html/sections/04/17204010.htm
26 Jun
26 Jun
9:34 a.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
Mike Ford wrote:
Does anyone on this list use X-10 in one of their systems? And if so,
what for? Just curious.
Eric
hey do you
have any ideas about using relays or some thing connected
to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know
like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought
or ideas I'd be glad to hear them.
X10, why reinvent the wheel?
or
Rotten computer sent that before I could add
http://www.sophisticated.com/ currently mac oriented, but moving to USB and
all platforms.
More generic stuff, looks pricey though.
http://www.dataprobe.com
http://ecatalog.squared.com/catalog/html/sections/04/17204010.htm
10:09 a.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
I use the heck out of X-10 throughout the house.
I use it for turning air filters on and off, automatically turning on
lights using motion detectors, and making sure certain outlets and lights
are shut off at night.
I run all of this (about 30 devices) from two remote controls and a Linux
box controlling a CM-11a interface (Radio Shack branded).
The Linux box runs about 40 events, ranging from interacting between
multiple devices from the remotes, to cycling devices to save electricity.
The whole setup saves more electricity than it uses (including the computer
running 24/7).
It's great for turning on/off devices that are difficult to reach as well.
I also use X-10 at parties to operate lighting effects.
What a blast!
- Matt
At 02:34 PM 6/26/01 -0400, Eric Chomko wrote:
Mike Ford wrote:
Does anyone on this list use X-10 in one of their systems? And if so,
what for? Just curious.
Eric
>
> or
>
> Rotten computer sent that before I could add
> http://www.sophisticated.com/ currently mac oriented, but moving to USB and
> all platforms.
>
> More generic stuff, looks pricey though.
> http://www.dataprobe.com
>
> http://ecatalog.squared.com/catalog/html/sections/04/17204010.htm
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...
hey do
you have any ideas about using relays or some thing connected
to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know
like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought
or ideas I'd be glad to hear them.
X10, why reinvent the wheel?
10:57 a.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
From time to time X10 has some GREAT intro deals
http://www.x10.com/firecracker/fc_offer_br1ab.htm
The firecracker starter kit is;
wireless remote,
dohicky for PC serial port (also wireless)
wireless receiver/appliance (I think) module
Lamp module
on sale now for $39, but a couple times a year $5.90 shipped.
Warning, if you signup for the email offers, expect one EVERY day.
6:48 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
Warning, if you signup for the email offers, expect
one EVERY day.
Nothing a throw-away Hotmail account can't rememdy:
g634hf8734hf(a)hotmail.com will do :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
12:35 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
One function that I've often considered is using a little micro, e.g. PIC, to
control an SSR in series with a switch so that the micro could sense the coming
and going (with a pair of optical sensors) the direction of travel of a person,
and turn the lights on/off for him.
This would be of use for me on the basement stairs when I have my hands full,
particularly with something heavy. I seriously doubt it would benefit much from
central control, but that might be considered. The X-10 is a system for
communication via the power mains, isn't it? My notion to date has been that
the X-10 stuff is a mite costly, considering that one could hook up a triac, an
MOC30-something isolated triac driver, and a PIC, e.g. one of the 14-pin or
even 8-pin parts, and put the thing in the box with the switch.
It would be an interesting job, actually, though the MCU would be largely
wasted. It's smaller than an equivalent set of CMOS logic, though.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Sell" <msell(a)ontimesupport.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
I use the heck out of X-10 throughout the house.
I use it for turning air filters on and off, automatically turning on
lights using motion detectors, and making sure certain outlets and lights
are shut off at night.
I run all of this (about 30 devices) from two remote controls and a Linux
box controlling a CM-11a interface (Radio Shack branded).
The Linux box runs about 40 events, ranging from interacting between
multiple devices from the remotes, to cycling devices to save electricity.
The whole setup saves more electricity than it uses (including the computer
running 24/7).
It's great for turning on/off devices that are difficult to reach as well.
I also use X-10 at parties to operate lighting effects.
What a blast!
- Matt
At 02:34 PM 6/26/01 -0400, Eric Chomko wrote:
>Mike Ford wrote:
>
> > > hey do you have any ideas about using relays or some thing connected
> > >to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know
> > >like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought
> > >or ideas I'd be glad to hear them.
> >
> > X10, why reinvent the wheel?
> >
>
>Does anyone on this list use X-10 in one of their systems? And if so,
>what for? Just curious.
>
>Eric
>
>
> >
> > or
> >
> > Rotten computer sent that before I could add
> > http://www.sophisticated.com/ currently mac oriented, but moving to USB
and
> all
platforms.
>
> More generic stuff, looks pricey though.
> http://www.dataprobe.com
>
> http://ecatalog.squared.com/catalog/html/sections/04/17204010.htm
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...
11:07 a.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
For just about everything and since they came out with the CP290 computer
interface years ago but have chaged to the smaller wall mount box since. I
have a CP290 to sell if anyone might be interested - about $20 with manual
and software (DOS and Windows)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Eric Chomko
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:35 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
Mike Ford wrote:
Does anyone on this list use X-10 in one of their systems? And if so,
what for? Just curious.
Eric
hey do you
have any ideas about using relays or some thing connected
to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know
like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought
or ideas I'd be glad to hear them.
X10, why reinvent the wheel?
or
Rotten computer sent that before I could add
http://www.sophisticated.com/ currently mac oriented, but moving to USB
and
all platforms.
More generic stuff, looks pricey though.
http://www.dataprobe.com
http://ecatalog.squared.com/catalog/html/sections/04/17204010.htm
3:22 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Eric Chomko wrote:
Mike Ford wrote:
Does anyone on this list use X-10 in one of their systems? And if so,
what for? Just curious.
Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights in my house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
- don
hey do
you have any ideas about using relays or some thing connected
to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know
like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought
or ideas I'd be glad to hear them.
X10, why reinvent the wheel?
4:37 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights in my
house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
You know, I remember seeing them listed in the RS catalogs
and seeing them in the stores in the past, but I've not noticed them
anytime lately. Do they still sell the stuff for it?
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
5:48 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
The modules are still being sold by RS, but not the interface. It was
discontinued - but it was only the CM-10a rebranded (which you can still get).
I get my modules at Fry's Electronics and Lowe's Home Improvement stores,
as well as Radio Shack.
- Matt
You know, I remember seeing them listed in the
RS catalogs and
seeing them in the stores in the past, but I've not noticed them anytime
lately. Do they still sell the stuff for it?
Jeff
--
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler
Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...
7:32 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
I have not seen one of the computer programmed units in either RS store
or catalog for years, Jeff.
- don
Yes Eric, I
also use X-10 to control the lights in my house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
You know, I remember seeing them listed in the RS catalogs
and seeing them in the stores in the past, but I've not noticed them
anytime lately. Do they still sell the stuff for it? --
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
27 Jun
27 Jun
12:21 a.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
Yes Eric, I
also use X-10 to control the lights in my house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
You know, I remember seeing them listed in the RS catalogs
and seeing them in the stores in the past, but I've not noticed them
anytime lately. Do they still sell the stuff for it? 
2:55 a.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
At 02:21 AM 6/27/01 -0700, you wrote:
Yep, but they house brand it. Modules were about $12 when I looked
yesterday. I am still hoping to find some hoard cheap at a hamfest.
RS not only house brands theirs but they also get them from China and
they don't last long. None of the ones that I've gotten from RS have
lasted more than a couple of months and at least half of them die within a
week. Lesson: Don't buy anything from RS! X-10 has licensed it's
technology to Levitron, RS and a number of other companies so they're all
interchangeable but there's a big differrence in the quality of the parts.
Joe
Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights in my
house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
You know, I remember seeing them listed in the RS catalogs
and seeing them in the stores in the past, but I've not noticed them
anytime lately. Do they still sell the stuff for it? 
26 Jun
26 Jun
4:48 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Don Maslin wrote:
Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights in my
house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
Uhhhh, I think that that would be TWENTY years, unless that was a very
early preproduction prototype of the Coco.
7:37 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Don Maslin wrote:
I think you are exactly right!
- don
Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights
in my house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
Uhhhh, I think that that would be TWENTY years, unless that was a very
early preproduction prototype of the Coco.
8 Jul
8 Jul
6:08 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
Don Maslin wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
These CP/M guys fooling around with CoCo's. I guess we can forgive you for
a small mistake like that! :^)
Eric
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Don Maslin wrote:
I think you are exactly right! Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights
in my house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
Uhhhh, I think that that would be TWENTY years, unless that was a very
early preproduction prototype of the Coco.
- don
6 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Don Maslin wrote:
Yes, that begs the question: how old is X-10? CoCo's are 20+, but how old is
X-10?
Eric
Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights
in my house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
Uhhhh, I think that that would be TWENTY years, unless that was a very
early preproduction prototype of the Coco. 
8:35 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
Eric Chomko wrote:
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
X10 was marketed to Radio Shack in 1978 and the first review of it was
in 1979. So it's a lot closer to 22 years old. Motorola had limited
produced the 6809 in 78/79 (no where near '71). Wasn't this issue
cleared up before? I think Don just missed a digit by one.
--
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http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics)
http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Don Maslin wrote:
Yes, that begs the question: how old is X-10? CoCo's are 20+, but how old is
X-10?
Eric Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights
in my house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
Uhhhh, I think that that would be TWENTY years, unless that was a very
early preproduction prototype of the Coco.
10 Jul
10 Jul
5:23 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
Neil Cherry wrote:
Eric Chomko wrote:
Thanks for the explanation. I was pulling Don's leg a little. He really help
a lot awhile back with CP/M disks.
Eric
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
X10 was marketed to Radio Shack in 1978 and the first review of it was
in 1979. So it's a lot closer to 22 years old. Motorola had limited
produced the 6809 in 78/79 (no where near '71). Wasn't this issue
cleared up before? I think Don just missed a digit by one.
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Don Maslin wrote:
Yes, that begs the question: how old is X-10? CoCo's are 20+, but how old is
X-10?
Eric Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights
in my house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years.
Uhhhh, I think that that would be TWENTY years, unless that was a very
early preproduction prototype of the Coco.
--
Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry ncherry(a)home.net
http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics)
http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)
8 Jul
8 Jul
5:57 p.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
Don Maslin wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Eric Chomko wrote:
30 years?!?! Err, 2001 - 30 = 1971. Now, I remember going to RS to see
this computer because, being a Mot 6800 fan, I had to see this box with a
6809 in it. That was 1978 or 1979. Do you mean 21 years?
Eric
Mike Ford wrote:
Does anyone on this list use X-10 in one of their systems? And if so,
what for? Just curious.
Yes Eric, I also use X-10 to control the lights in my house. It is
handled by the small controller that plugs into a wall socket and is
programmed by a Radio Shack Color Computer. It has been chuggig along
for about 30 years. hey do
you have any ideas about using relays or some thing connected
to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know
like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought
or ideas I'd be glad to hear them.
X10, why reinvent the wheel?
- don
27 Jun
27 Jun
2:41 a.m.
New subject: X-10 (was Re: controlling power)
Eric Chomko wrote:
Mike Ford wrote:
Does anyone on this list use X-10 in one of their systems? And if so,
what for? Just curious.
Uhmm, never heard of it! ;-)
I use it for Home Automation and the ability ot reboot the netgear router
should it lock up. Soon I;m going to write an automated script to figure
out what's going on with the router and take appropriate action.
--
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http://members.home.net/ncherry (Text only)
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52 (Graphics)
http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge)
hey do
you have any ideas about using relays or some thing connected
to a parallel or aerial port to control the power to an outlet, you know
like a dimmer switch controlling motors ETC if you have any thought
or ideas I'd be glad to hear them.
X10, why reinvent the wheel?
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