3 May
2002
3 May
'02
12:40 p.m.
OK, spring cleaning time again. Free for pickup in the Washington DC
suburbs: strictly first-come, first-serve, and I strongly want to get rid
of the stuff this weekend. Some items are large and
will require a truck (or a truly full-size station wagon.) If interested,
drop an E-mail to me at "shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com" or call on my cellphone
at 202-320-9410.
OK, the list - largely an inventory of stuff that hasn't been used in
at least two years:
40 RL01 and RL02 packs, with various diagnostics and other tools on them.
A Wright-line cabinet with the metal racks for holding the above packs.
6 RL01 and RL02 drives. Rack-mounting rails for the same.
RX02 drive unit.
Gobs of RL01 and RL02 cables. Also, all my miscellaneous RL termiantors,
buttons, unit select plugs, and lamps.
2 Storagetek 1600/6250 BPI 9-track drives, Pertec formatted interface, rack-
mounting hinges.
Many BA11- and BA23-style Q-bus enclosures. Bunch of 11/23-era CPU's
and memory for whoever takes the enclosures.
One pedestal-style BA23 with most (all?) of a Microvax III in it.
One BA123 with most (all?) of a Microvax II in it.
PDP-11/04 in 5.25" high box, H777 power supply.
Several H960 (6-foot) racks will be available, assuming that you
(or someone else) will help me carry them up the stairs.
A bunch of Trimm drive enclosures for 5.25" drives. Styled like BA23's.
Many 5.25" FH SCSI and ESDI drives. Many 5.25" floppy drives.
Many Shugart 8" floppy drives.
Tim.
4:31 p.m.
Damn, wrong coast!
Lee C.
--- classiccmp(a)trailing-edge.com wrote:
OK, spring cleaning time again. Free for pickup in
the Washington DC
suburbs: strictly first-come, first-serve, and I
strongly want to get rid
of the stuff this weekend. Some items are large and
will require a truck (or a truly full-size station
wagon.) If interested,
drop an E-mail to me at "shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com"
or call on my cellphone
at 202-320-9410.
OK, the list - largely an inventory of stuff that
hasn't been used in
at least two years:
40 RL01 and RL02 packs, with various diagnostics and
other tools on them.
A Wright-line cabinet with the metal racks for
holding the above packs.
6 RL01 and RL02 drives. Rack-mounting rails for the
same.
RX02 drive unit.
Gobs of RL01 and RL02 cables. Also, all my
miscellaneous RL termiantors,
buttons, unit select plugs, and lamps.
2 Storagetek 1600/6250 BPI 9-track drives, Pertec
formatted interface, rack-
mounting hinges.
Many BA11- and BA23-style Q-bus enclosures. Bunch
of 11/23-era CPU's
and memory for whoever takes the enclosures.
One pedestal-style BA23 with most (all?) of a
Microvax III in it.
One BA123 with most (all?) of a Microvax II in it.
PDP-11/04 in 5.25" high box, H777 power supply.
Several H960 (6-foot) racks will be available,
assuming that you
(or someone else) will help me carry them up the
stairs.
A bunch of Trimm drive enclosures for 5.25" drives.
Styled like BA23's.
Many 5.25" FH SCSI and ESDI drives. Many 5.25"
floppy drives.
Many Shugart 8" floppy drives.
Tim.
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7:57 p.m.
darn! wrong side of the border! (and country)
That's a HUGE haul ! Wish I could get in on some....
----- Original Message -----
From: "William S." <wstan(a)xs4all.nl>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: Free DEC stuff, Washington DC
Darn, wrong side of the ocean.
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 06:31:24PM -0700, lee courtney wrote:
Damn, wrong coast!
Lee C.
--- classiccmp(a)trailing-edge.com wrote:
> OK, spring cleaning time again. Free for pickup in
> the Washington DC
<snip>
--
Bill
Amsterdam, NL 
4:32 a.m.
New subject: ISA/486 Board Question
Most ISA com/lpt/fdd/ide add on boards for 386/486 have a chip like
W83787F or so. LPT and Com ports have pin-assignable irqs, sometimes IDE
has a choice (14 and 15).
Is there an ISA card that has the IDE irq assignable to any IRQ?
U guessed right: I'd like to stick a secondary ide drive (CDROM
obviously) into a 486 that has only one ide (IRQ14)drive, but no plug
for a secondary drive, and no, I cannot use the ide cable as it is a
laptop, but yes, it has the bus connected to a dockstation. And yes I
can stick a scsi card plus drive into the docking station and it will
work in dos, win95 if I find the drivers...but I want to do that with
ide cd's.Is this a doomed idea because the bios wont let me do it?
...the old idea of having 4 ide devices on a single 486 cpu....but with
a twist: the primary ide on the first chip, the sec. on the other....how
do I tell the cpu to look for the sec. ide on the other chipset?
Fred
11:32 a.m.
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1:45 p.m.
New subject: ISA/486 Board Question
Most of the time the IRQ selection is done something like that :
IRQ out from ASIC -----------+---o o------- IRQ_a to bus
|
+---o o------- IRQ_b to bus
|
+---o o------- IRQ_c to bus
|
+---o o------- IRQ_d to bus
In other words there's one IRQ output from the ASIC for each port, and a
jumper block to connect that signal to the right pin on the ISA
connector.
So if the jumper block is missing, or doesn't go to the IRQ line you
want, you can just cut the track (in this case between the ASIC and the
IRQ14 pin) and connect the signal to whichever bus line you want. You
need an ISA bus pinout, but that shouldn't be too hard to find.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing to it: I can actually see the lines from the isa bus to the irq
bank of plugs.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Don't you also need to change the I/O address of the IDE port on the
add-on card? This can sometimes be kludged (if there's no better way) by
inverting one of the address lines going into the ASIC (but watch out it
doesn't move the COM port, say, to clash with something else), or by
using
some logic to fiddle the addresses when it detects the right addresses
for the IDE port.
-----------------------
now that's more artistic!
-----------------------
-tony
-------------
fred
2:04 p.m.
New subject: a few Data I/O PROM programmer parts to give away
Hello all,
Today I happened to run across a Data I/O 288 programmer, and it has a few
bits that I don't need. So they're free to whoever does have a need for
them (though reimbursement of mailing would be nice). I have
- (4) 701-2311 PLCC32 ZIF to DIP32 adaptors (1Mb layout?)
- (6) 701-2162 PLCC32 ZIF to DIP32 adaptors (512Kb layout?)
- (1) extra of the gang units (PR32?) with 8 DIP sockets on it, not ZIF but
the TexTool ones the ZIF sockets plug into. The connector to the main unit
is a little beat up, but it seems to work.
Drop me a line if you're interested,
Jim Kearney
5 May
5 May
4:01 p.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
TTi seems to have gone away.... I've looked, and can't find anything.
I picked up a couple of 8mm Tape drives the other day (TTi 8210 and TTi
8510) with the cool displays, but of course... no manual !
Must be someone out there that has a manual? or can give a pointer to an
online manual? There some dips on the back for emulation and scsi that I
need a hand with.
Thanks!
rod
4:20 p.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Rod Young wrote:
TTi seems to have gone away.... I've looked, and
can't find anything.
I picked up a couple of 8mm Tape drives the other day (TTi 8210 and TTi
8510) with the cool displays, but of course... no manual !
Are you sure those are not Exabyte drives in a re-branded case? Mountain
and several other companies used to do that...
-Toth
4:39 p.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
I picked up a
couple of 8mm Tape drives the other day (TTi 8210 and TTi
8510) with the cool displays, but of course... no manual !
Are you sure those are not Exabyte drives in a re-branded case? Mountain
and several other companies used to do that... 
7:30 p.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
If you hook them to a reasonably intelligent SCSI interface, e.g. ADAPTEC 2940
or the like, which will allow you to do simple things from the BIOS promt, you
can see what you're dealing with and what effect the switches have.
It's true, Maynard and others repackaged these drives, but if you allowed them
to identify themselves, they appeared as Exabyte drives with correct
nomenclature. The only problem you could run into is that the drives might be
differential. If that's the case, you need a differential controller.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: TTi tape drives
Maynard was one of the companies that did that as well. They
repackaged 8200's into a fairly nice external case under their own
name.
Jeff
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I picked up a couple of 8mm Tape drives the other day
(TTi 8210 and TTi
8510) with the cool displays, but of course... no manual !
Are you sure those are not Exabyte drives in a re-branded case? Mountain
and several other companies used to do that... 
6 May
6 May
4:14 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
If you hook them to a reasonably intelligent SCSI
interface, e.g. ADAPTEC 2940
or the like, which will allow you to do simple things from the BIOS promt, you
can see what you're dealing with and what effect the switches have.
I must take exception. IMNSHO, the Adaptec 2940 _isn't_ a reasonably
intelligent interface. Buslogic, NCR, Symbios, and LSI all had better
contemporary chips, mostly with better detection and more features.
And, it's Adaptec, not ADAPTEC.
Doc
5:30 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
I won't argue that. I just wanted to point out at least one reasonably
capable adapter that has a BIOS that enables you, the user, to look at how the
devices attached to the SCSI identify themselves.
BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front onf me ...
Are any of those mfg's still in business?
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doc" <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: TTi tape drives
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
> If you hook them to a reasonably intelligent SCSI interface, e.g. ADAPTEC
2940
> or the like, which will allow you to do simple
things from the BIOS promt,
you
can see what
you're dealing with and what effect the switches have.
I must take exception. IMNSHO, the Adaptec 2940 _isn't_ a reasonably
intelligent interface. Buslogic, NCR, Symbios, and LSI all had better
contemporary chips, mostly with better detection and more features.
And, it's Adaptec, not ADAPTEC.
Doc
5:51 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
Richard Erlacher wrote:
I won't argue that. I just wanted to point out at least one reasonably
capable adapter that has a BIOS that enables you, the user, to look at how the
devices attached to the SCSI identify themselves.
BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front onf me ...
Are any of those mfg's still in business?
LSI is still selling SCSI controllers
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doc" <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: TTi tape drives
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
> If you hook them to a reasonably intelligent SCSI interface, e.g. ADAPTEC
2940
> or the like, which will allow you to do
simple things from the BIOS promt,
you
> > can see what you're dealing with and what effect the switches have.
>
> I must take exception. IMNSHO, the Adaptec 2940 _isn't_ a reasonably
> intelligent interface. Buslogic, NCR, Symbios, and LSI all had better
> contemporary chips, mostly with better detection and more features.
> And, it's Adaptec, not ADAPTEC.
>
> Doc
>
>
>
6:33 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Mon, 6 May 2002, emanuel stiebler wrote:
Richard Erlacher wrote:
They are still building controllers, but are wholly owned by IBM now.
Doc
I won't argue that. I just wanted to point out at least one reasonably
capable adapter that has a BIOS that enables you, the user, to look at how the
devices attached to the SCSI identify themselves.
BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front onf me ...
Are any of those mfg's still in business?
LSI is still selling SCSI controllers 
8 May
8 May
12:11 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Doc wrote:
They are still building controllers, but are wholly owned by IBM now.
Are you sure that's LSI? I could have sworn that's Mylex.
Peace... Sridhar
--
"How do you fight such a savage?"
"With heart, faith, and steel. There can be only one."
-MacLeod and Ramirez, "Highlander"
I won't argue that. I just wanted to point out at
least one reasonably
capable adapter that has a BIOS that enables you, the user, to look at how the
devices attached to the SCSI identify themselves.
BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front onf me ...
Are any of those mfg's still in business?
LSI is still selling SCSI controllers
4:12 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Wed, 8 May 2002, Sridhar the POWERful wrote:
I reserve the right to be wrong about _anything_....
Doc
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Doc wrote:
They are
still building controllers, but are wholly owned by IBM now.
Are you sure that's LSI? I could have sworn that's Mylex.
6 May
6 May
8:41 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
I've had some trouble tracking down viable mfg's of SCSI hardware, since I've
developed a somewhat jaundiced view of ADAPTEC. For which busses is LSI
selling SCSI controllers? Since ADAPTEC bought SYMBIOS, and IBM acquired by
buying the company that bought them, I figured it was getting to be rather
slim pickings out there.
Qlogic makes some pretty popular LSI's for SCSI and other interfaces, but I
see few of them on the products in the shops.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "emanuel stiebler" <emu(a)ecubics.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: TTi tape drives
ADAPTEC
Richard Erlacher wrote:
>
> I won't argue that. I just wanted to point out at least one reasonably
> capable adapter that has a BIOS that enables you, the user, to look at how
the
devices
attached to the SCSI identify themselves.
BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front onf me ...
Are any of those mfg's still in business?
LSI is still selling SCSI controllers
> Dick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doc" <doc(a)mdrconsult.com>
> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re: TTi tape drives
>
> > On Sun, 5 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
> >
> > > If you hook them to a reasonably intelligent SCSI interface, e.g.
> 2940
> > > or the like, which will allow you to do simple things from the BIOS
promt,
you
> > can see what you're dealing with and what effect the switches have.
>
> I must take exception. IMNSHO, the Adaptec 2940 _isn't_ a reasonably
> intelligent interface. Buslogic, NCR, Symbios, and LSI all had better
> contemporary chips, mostly with better detection and more features.
> And, it's Adaptec, not ADAPTEC.
>
> Doc
>
>
>
9:32 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
Richard Erlacher wrote:
I've had some trouble tracking down viable mfg's of SCSI hardware, since
I've
developed a somewhat jaundiced view of ADAPTEC. For which busses is LSI
selling SCSI controllers?
I was writing about chips. And they have PCI, and x86/mc68k bus versions
Qlogic makes some pretty popular LSI's for SCSI
and other interfaces, but I
see few of them on the products in the shops.
Qlogic is still doing the nice & fancy am53c94 chip ;-)
cheers
8 May
8 May
12:08 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Mon, 6 May 2002, emanuel stiebler wrote:
As is Qlogic, and Mylex makes superfast RAID controllers.
Peace... Sridhar
--
"How do you fight such a savage?"
"With heart, faith, and steel. There can be only one."
-MacLeod and Ramirez, "Highlander"
I won't
argue that. I just wanted to point out at least one reasonably
capable adapter that has a BIOS that enables you, the user, to look at how the
devices attached to the SCSI identify themselves.
BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front onf me ...
Are any of those mfg's still in business?
LSI is still selling SCSI controllers 
6 May
6 May
6:32 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front onf
me ...
Actually, the disk I'm looking at, as well as the 2940 I have in my
hand, both say "adaptec" :)
Are any of those mfg's still in business?
BusLogic >> Mylex
NCR >> Symbios >> LSI >> IBM
I think.
Doc
8:25 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Doc wrote:
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote:
BusTek >> BusLogic >> Mylex >> IBM
The huge firmware/driver archive for BusLogic/Mylex boards that used to be
available at ftp.mylex.com seems to be gone now too. I wonder where IBM
put it?
-Toth
BTW, it's spelled ADAPTEC on the box in front
onf me ...
Actually, the disk I'm looking at, as well as the 2940 I have in my
hand, both say "adaptec" :)
Are any of those mfg's still in business?
BusLogic >> Mylex
NCR >> Symbios >> LSI >> IBM
8 May
8 May
12:13 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Doc wrote:
I think it's more like:
Buslogic >> Mylex >> IBM
NCR >> Lucent
Symbios >> LSI.
Peace... Sridhar
--
"How do you fight such a savage?"
"With heart, faith, and steel. There can be only one."
-MacLeod and Ramirez, "Highlander"
Are any of
those mfg's still in business?
BusLogic >> Mylex
NCR >> Symbios >> LSI >> IBM 
3:56 a.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Doc wrote:
I think it's more like:
Buslogic >> Mylex >> IBM
NCR >> Lucent
Nah...
NCR computers->AT&T caused the Symbios spin off of their chip guys.
Lucent never got the Symbios folks.
Are any
of those mfg's still in business?
BusLogic >> Mylex
NCR >> Symbios >> LSI >> IBM
Symbios >> LSI.
NCR>Symbios>LSI Logic
Peace... Sridhar
Bill
--
d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@ureach.com
5 May
5 May
5:11 p.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
yes, for sure they are exabyte drives, in a TTi case, but with TTI logic
built around them for the Data Screen Displays, and various emulations..
(one being tk50 as I can recall).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tothwolf" <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: TTi tape drives
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Rod Young wrote:
TTi seems to have gone away.... I've looked,
and can't find anything.
I picked up a couple of 8mm Tape drives the other day (TTi 8210 and TTi
8510) with the cool displays, but of course... no manual !
Are you sure those are not Exabyte drives in a re-branded case? Mountain
and several other companies used to do that...
-Toth
6:01 p.m.
New subject: TTi tape drives
Hi Rod.
I have a TTI 8510 on my Alpha 3000/400 at home.. what do you have questions
about?
Rod Young wrote:
TTi seems to have gone away.... I've looked, and
can't find anything.
I picked up a couple of 8mm Tape drives the other day (TTi 8210 and TTi
8510) with the cool displays, but of course... no manual !
Must be someone out there that has a manual? or can give a pointer to an
online manual? There some dips on the back for emulation and scsi that I
need a hand with.
Thanks!
rod
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