22 Sep
1997
22 Sep
'97
11:44 a.m.
Geez, you must not be on the west coast. Around here, VIC-20/C64/C128
hardware is like weeds. There isn't a thrift store in the entire
Seattle area without a Commodore piece for <=$5. Can't give 'em away --
literally.
Kai
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From: Jeff Kaneko[SMTP:Jeff.Kaneko@ifrsys.com]
Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 12:30 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .
Guys:
I dredged this up from comp.sys.cbm. Alot of you guys out there have
been talking about hunting down 'Heavy Iron'. Here's one who's struck
the Mother Lode of 'Lite Plastic'. I sure wish I knew where this
place was . . . .
Jeff
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22 Sep
22 Sep
1:41 p.m.
I dunno about this guy, but I'm in the Midwest. It can be pretty
slim pickens out here. The thrift down the street from where I live
is asking $10 for 1541's and 1571's. Too steep. I wait for the
price to go down . . . .
Jeff
Geez, you must not be on the west coast. Around here,
VIC-20/C64/C128
hardware is like weeds. There isn't a thrift store in the entire
Seattle area without a Commodore piece for <=$5. Can't give 'em away --
literally.
Kai
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From: Jeff Kaneko[SMTP:Jeff.Kaneko@ifrsys.com]
Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Sent: Monday, September 22, 1997 12:30 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: On the hunt at Goodwill . . . .
Guys:
I dredged this up from comp.sys.cbm. Alot of you guys out there have
been talking about hunting down 'Heavy Iron'. Here's one who's struck
the Mother Lode of 'Lite Plastic'. I sure wish I knew where this
place was . . . .
Jeff
------------>>>> Forewarded Message Follows<<<<---------------
1:40 p.m.
I dunno about this guy, but I'm in the Midwest. It
can be pretty
slim pickens out here. The thrift down the street from where I live
is asking $10 for 1541's and 1571's. Too steep. I wait for the
price to go down . . . .
Funny, but my best score on Commodore H/W was while I was business in
Killeen, TX: C-128, 1541, 1571, 1581, connecting cables, and power brick
for the 1581... all for $19.95.
There was also a spare C-64 brick, but it has a bad 5v. :-(
<<<John>>>
2:25 p.m.
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Jeff Kaneko wrote:
I dunno about this guy, but I'm in the Midwest.
It can be pretty
slim pickens out here. The thrift down the street from where I live
is asking $10 for 1541's and 1571's. Too steep. I wait for the
price to go down . . . .
Not to get anyone excited but 1571 drives command a decent price on
comp.sys.cbm. I've sold a couple there for $25 each, and that was on the
low side as they got snatched up quick.
But as far as that sort of stuff goes, I'm with Kai. Of course, I'm on
the west coast as well. I can find stuff like C64, Atari 800, TI-99/4a,
etc. in thrift shops for anywhere from $.99 to $2.98.
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5:20 p.m.
But as far as that sort of stuff goes, I'm with
Kai. Of course, I'm on
the west coast as well. I can find stuff like C64, Atari 800, TI-99/4a,
etc. in thrift shops for anywhere from $.99 to $2.98.
I guess I'm in the wrong part of the West Coast! In the Portland area I've
only gotten lucky enough to find stuff that cheep once or twice. Plus it
seems like most stuff is either a C64, a 1541 drive, or a TI-99/4a, and
they are always bare. You can't find stuff like power supplies, cables, or
whatever else it takes to make them function without a LOT of looking. The
average price at GW in this area for any item of this class is about $10!
I think my best find ever around here was a TI-99/4a with PS, modulator,
cassette cable, and 3 carts (which included extended BASIC) for $4.
Needless to say this wasn't at GW it was another local Thrift Store which
happens to be litterly next door to GW.
Zane
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6:23 p.m.
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I guess I'm in the wrong part of the West Coast!
In the Portland area I've
only gotten lucky enough to find stuff that cheep once or twice. Plus it
seems like most stuff is either a C64, a 1541 drive, or a TI-99/4a, and
they are always bare. You can't find stuff like power supplies, cables, or
whatever else it takes to make them function without a LOT of looking. The
average price at GW in this area for any item of this class is about $10!
I think my best find ever around here was a TI-99/4a with PS, modulator,
cassette cable, and 3 carts (which included extended BASIC) for $4.
Needless to say this wasn't at GW it was another local Thrift Store which
happens to be litterly next door to GW.
Here's a hint for everyone...don't waste your time at Goodwill (well,
usually). All the good stuff is at those for profit or non-chain thrift
stores. Look for places like Thrift Town, Thrift Center, Thrift This,
Thrift That, etc.
I've heard that Goodwills take all the computer junk and auction it off.
I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's.
I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some
software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never
any hardware.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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6:53 p.m.
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Sam Ismail wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Zane H. Healy wrote:
I think it varies with the locale! In San Diego, Goodwill accumulates
the donated hard/software and offers it up at a biennial sale. Now days,
most of it is PC clone stuff, certainly, but 8-bit stuff does show up.
There are some good buys and some lousy ones. Just like most sales!
Salvation Army, on the other hand, apparently sells their donations
through their stores as it comes in and is priced. Pretty skinny market,
as I see it.
- don
I guess I'm in the wrong part of the West
Coast! In the Portland area I've
only gotten lucky enough to find stuff that cheep once or twice. Plus it
seems like most stuff is either a C64, a 1541 drive, or a TI-99/4a, and
they are always bare. You can't find stuff like power supplies, cables, or
whatever else it takes to make them function without a LOT of looking. The
average price at GW in this area for any item of this class is about $10!
I think my best find ever around here was a TI-99/4a with PS, modulator,
cassette cable, and 3 carts (which included extended BASIC) for $4.
Needless to say this wasn't at GW it was another local Thrift Store which
happens to be litterly next door to GW.
Here's a hint for everyone...don't waste your time at Goodwill (well,
usually). All the good stuff is at those for profit or non-chain thrift
stores. Look for places like Thrift Town, Thrift Center, Thrift This,
Thrift That, etc.
I've heard that Goodwills take all the computer junk and auction it off.
I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's.
I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some
software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never
any hardware. Sam Alternate
e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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9:56 p.m.
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Don Maslin wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Sam Ismail wrote:
This explains why my quick visits to SD Goodwills were so disappointing.
The one I went to (on Rosecranz) had only a few things with plugs.
The the local one is the same way: clothes, glass, and a few books.
I hit another thrift in SD which was the smallest I have ever seen.
It could not have been more than 200 square feet. It was a total
bust.
Don, how about letting us know when the GW auctions are held? I get
sent down there 5-8 times a year and once in a while I squeeze in
a little scrounging. I'm usually in the Point Loma area, are there
any worthwhile places nearby which might yield some classic stuff?
--pec
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I've heard that Goodwills take all the
computer junk and auction it off.
I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's.
I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some
software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never
any hardware.
I think it varies with the locale! In San Diego, Goodwill accumulates
the donated hard/software and offers it up at a biennial sale. Now days,
most of it is PC clone stuff, certainly, but 8-bit stuff does show up.
There are some good buys and some lousy ones. Just like most sales!
Salvation Army, on the other hand, apparently sells their donations
through their stores as it comes in and is priced. Pretty skinny market,
as I see it.
23 Sep
23 Sep
10:02 a.m.
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Paul E Coad wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Don Maslin wrote:
I'll be happy to if I can. For reasons not at all obvious to me, they
are frequent very late in getting word around and rather skimpy in where
they place it.
- don
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Sam Ismail wrote:
This explains why my quick visits to SD Goodwills were so disappointing.
The one I went to (on Rosecranz) had only a few things with plugs.
The the local one is the same way: clothes, glass, and a few books.
I hit another thrift in SD which was the smallest I have ever seen.
It could not have been more than 200 square feet. It was a total
bust.
Don, how about letting us know when the GW auctions are held? I get
sent down there 5-8 times a year and once in a while I squeeze in
a little scrounging. I'm usually in the Point Loma area, are there
any worthwhile places nearby which might yield some classic stuff?
--pec I've heard that Goodwills take all the
computer junk and auction it off.
I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's.
I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some
software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never
any hardware.
I think it varies with the locale! In San Diego, Goodwill accumulates
the donated hard/software and offers it up at a biennial sale. Now days,
most of it is PC clone stuff, certainly, but 8-bit stuff does show up.
There are some good buys and some lousy ones. Just like most sales!
Salvation Army, on the other hand, apparently sells their donations
through their stores as it comes in and is priced. Pretty skinny market,
as I see it.
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12:08 p.m.
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Don Maslin wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Paul E Coad wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Don Maslin wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, Sam Ismail wrote:
> >
> > > I've heard that Goodwills take all the computer junk and auction it
off.
> > > I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation
Army's.
> > > I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some
> > > software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never
> > > any hardware.
> >
> > I think it varies with the locale! In San Diego, Goodwill accumulates
> > the donated hard/software and offers it up at a biennial sale. Now days,
> > most of it is PC clone stuff, certainly, but 8-bit stuff does show up.
> > There are some good buys and some lousy ones. Just like most sales!
> >
> > Salvation Army, on the other hand, apparently sells their donations
> > through their stores as it comes in and is priced. Pretty skinny market,
> > as I see it.
>
> This explains why my quick visits to SD Goodwills were so disappointing.
> The one I went to (on Rosecranz) had only a few things with plugs.
> The the local one is the same way: clothes, glass, and a few books.
> I hit another thrift in SD which was the smallest I have ever seen.
> It could not have been more than 200 square feet. It was a total
> bust.
>
> Don, how about letting us know when the GW auctions are held? I get
> sent down there 5-8 times a year and once in a while I squeeze in
> a little scrounging. I'm usually in the Point Loma area, are there
> any worthwhile places nearby which might yield some classic stuff?
>
> --pec
Forgot to answer the Point Loma query :( No, sorry, I do not. When
Goodwill has their sales they are held in their downtown warehouse on 4th
in the Gaslamp area.
- don
I'll be happy to if I can. For reasons not at all
obvious to me, they
are frequent very late in getting word around and rather skimpy in where
they place it.
- don
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Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
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Don Maslin - Keeper of the Dina-SIG CP/M System Disk Archives
Chairman, Dina-SIG of the San Diego Computer Society
Clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology.
Sysop - Elephant's Graveyard (CP/M) - 619-454-8412
*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*
see old system support at http://www.psyber.com/~tcj
7:08 p.m.
I think it varies with the locale! In San Diego,
Goodwill accumulates
the donated hard/software and offers it up at a biennial sale. Now days,
most of it is PC clone stuff, certainly, but 8-bit stuff does show up.
There are some good buys and some lousy ones. Just like most sales!
It varies a lot even within one area. I know of five different GW's in the
area. Two are a good source of systems, one of these actually sells nearly
complete systems at times. It seems to take going to all of them to find
everything though. I leave the PC stuff behind, but have found good stuff.
Salvation Army, on the other hand, apparently sells
their donations
through their stores as it comes in and is priced. Pretty skinny market,
as I see it.
I think I've gotten two Atari 2600 carts from them. I've only bothered to
go in twice, and once when I was trying to get rid of a chair.
I've got to agree with Sam, the best places do seem to be the ones that are
on their own.
Zane
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22 Sep
22 Sep
7:30 p.m.
At 08:23 PM 9/22/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
Here's a hint for everyone...don't waste your time at Goodwill (well,
usually). All the good stuff is at those for profit or non-chain thrift
stores. Look for places like Thrift Town, Thrift Center, Thrift This,
Thrift That, etc.
I've heard that Goodwills take all the computer junk and auction it off.
I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's.
I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some
software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never
any hardware.
Interesting... The local Goodwill here (at least to date) has been one of
my most reliable sources of gear. Over the last couple of weeks, a Mac II
cpu, pile of Mac ADB keyboards and mice, assorted Commodore gear, etc...
Now on the other hand, the Salvation Army store could not sell gear to Bill
Gates based on the way they price stuff. An Apple IIgs for $495?!? Really
now...
Guess like with most things, it's largely regional. (your mileage may vary)
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23 Sep
23 Sep
8:10 a.m.
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, James Willing wrote:
Now on the other hand, the Salvation Army store could
not sell gear to Bill
Gates based on the way they price stuff. An Apple IIgs for $495?!? Really
now...
Here (in Chicago), the Salvation Army store that carries computer
equipment tends to price everything computer-related at $45, regardless of
what it is. There was (until it recently closed) a Salvation Army "as-is"
store in the building with one of their warehouses that had some great
deals, primarily on items that they couldn't easily classify. It may be
worth looking for these in other cities, since the one here had items such
as oscilloscopes and Nixie tube DMMs that never made it into the normal
stores.
Sometimes, thrift store pricing and procedures are hard to understand. I
once saw a thrift store employee deliberately damaging items with a hammer
before marking them down. I guess the theory is that you don't deserve
all of the keys if you're paying $2 for a computer instead of $20.
Is anyone else here recognized as "the computer guy" at thrift stores? At
one store (admittedly only a block from my apartment, so I visit it
regularly), they save documentation for me and often mark down computer
equipment the day after I've passed it up. Prices have risen slightly
since they've realized that there is demand, but they seem to be stocking
more old computer equipment now, and if something is too expensive, it's
easy to wait a day or two!
--
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12:54 p.m.
At 08:23 PM 9/22/97 -0700, Sam wrote:
I've heard that Goodwills take all the computer junk and auction it off.
I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's.
I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some
software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never
any hardware.
Interesting... The local Goodwill here (at least to date) has been one of
my most reliable sources of gear. Over the last couple of weeks, a Mac II
cpu, pile of Mac ADB keyboards and mice, assorted Commodore gear, etc...
Now on the other hand, the Salvation Army store could not sell gear to Bill
Gates based on the way they price stuff. An Apple IIgs for $495?!? Really
now... Guess like with most things, it's largely regional.
(your mileage may vary)
I guess so... <<<John>>>
7:12 p.m.
Interesting... The local Goodwill here (at least to
date) has been one of
my most reliable sources of gear. Over the last couple of weeks, a Mac II
cpu, pile of Mac ADB keyboards and mice, assorted Commodore gear, etc...
Yeh, I figured you were getting all the good stuff in Beaverton :^) That's
what I get for not making it in for a couple weeks.
Now on the other hand, the Salvation Army store could
not sell gear to Bill
Gates based on the way they price stuff. An Apple IIgs for $495?!? Really
now...
Is this the one in Beaverton? Never seen anything there.
Zane
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22 Sep
22 Sep
7:41 p.m.
New subject: Help out Goodwill
Sam Ismail wrote:
I've heard that Goodwills take all the computer
junk and auction it off.
I never, ever find any computer stuff at Goodwills or Salvation Army's.
I used to find stuff at the Salvation Army, and occasionally find some
software (found an MSX cassette of all things at one recently) but never
any hardware.
A friend of mine gave me a really good idea. In our area Goodwill does
auction off a bunch of stuff every Tuesday and Thursday mornings at 8:30AM.
The idea is to go in and help them to work on the computers. This
accomplishes a number of things. 1) It can help train some of the people
they are trying to help. 2) Fixed machines are worth more money hence a
larger income for Goodwill. 3) If we are helping, we will most likely have
the opportunity to see what is coming in and thus might be able to salvage
some classic machines!
23 Sep
23 Sep
3:40 p.m.
At 16.41 22/09/97 -0600, Jeff wrote:
I dunno about this guy, but I'm in the Midwest. It can be pretty
slim pickens out here. The thrift down the street from where I live
is asking $10 for 1541's and 1571's. Too steep. I wait for the
price to go down . . . .
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
10 Dollars = Too steep???
Are you joking?
I must convince myself that U.S. are the cheapest place in the world for
everything!
Here in Forl?, where I live, you can get a 1541 at no less than 60$.
1571 nearly the double!
If I will take a chance to come there i think I will fill luggages of that
stuff!
Ciao.
Riccardo
10:44 a.m.
You have to keep in mind though, that this Thrift Store stuff is
strictly "as-is". If it dosen't work, or if it's flakey, tough luck
guy, you bought it. Having been burned numerous times by paying too
much for junk that flat out didn't work, I have resolved NEVER to pay
more than $10 for disk drives (of any sort).
Now if given the opportunity to test the suff before I buy, well, I'd
probly pay more, but I usually just wait for the price to fall to
some trivial amount.
You know somebody who would pay $60 for a USED 1541? Hm, I wonder how
hard it is to get past Italian Customs . . .
Jeff
At 16.41 22/09/97 -0600, Jeff wrote:
I dunno about this guy, but I'm in the Midwest. It can be pretty
slim pickens out here. The thrift down the street from where I live
is asking $10 for 1541's and 1571's. Too steep. I wait for the
price to go down . . . .
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
10 Dollars = Too steep???
Are you joking?
I must convince myself that U.S. are the cheapest place in the world for
everything!
Here in Forl?, where I live, you can get a 1541 at no less than 60$.
1571 nearly the double!
If I will take a chance to come there i think I will fill luggages of that
stuff!
Ciao.
Riccardo
24 Sep
24 Sep
5:04 p.m.
At 13.44 23/09/97 -0600, you wrote:
You have to keep in mind though, that this Thrift Store
stuff is
strictly "as-is". If it dosen't work, or if it's flakey, tough luck
guy, you bought it.
Ah, ok if it is "as is" (that here clearly mean
"it's broken") 10 $ or less
are ok.
Having been burned numerous times by paying too
much for junk that flat out didn't work, I have resolved NEVER to pay
more than $10 for disk drives (of any sort).
I FULLY AGREE (and been burned too).
You know somebody who would pay $60 for a USED 1541? Hm, I wonder how
hard it is to get past Italian Customs . . .
Yes, this is the real trouble.
It depends how "expert" is the man in charge to controll stuff.
If he recognize the stuff as used and "out-of-fashion" he will probably be
human; otherwise it will cost
as gold.
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