11 Jan
2017
11 Jan
'17
12:14 p.m.
Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga
keyboard?
Were Commodore 64's used in editing video like the Amigas were to any
extent?
Looking to figure if there is an overlap area in yet another area of
our displays we can do between computing and video production.
We have a Amiga, 2000 desk top type, with a video toaster in it that
needs a keyboard and factory mouse!
Can anyone help?
Thanks Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
11 Jan
11 Jan
12:52 p.m.
Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas -
also need Amiga
keyboard?
I am pretty sure people recorded graphical output from early Micros as
some sorta of poor mans character generator/title generator. Probalbly
couldn't overlay without a very expensive genlock though. Not sure if
there were deck control solutions for doing assemble editing based on time
and serial deck control for C64?
The Newtek toaster and other add-on are in a whole different
league versus what the C64 could do.
There were crude capture devices also. Maybe ComputerEyes existed for C64?
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Ethan O'Toole
1 p.m.
Were C64's
used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga
keyboard?
I am pretty sure people recorded graphical output from early Micros as
some sorta of poor mans character generator/title generator. Probalbly
couldn't overlay without a very expensive genlock though. Not sure if
there were deck control solutions for doing assemble editing based on time
and serial deck control for C64? The Newtek toaster and other add-on are in a whole
different
league versus what the C64 could do.
There were crude capture devices also. Maybe ComputerEyes existed for C64?
It did; I have one on the shelf. However, I get much better quality taking
a frame on the Mac and dithering it, tbh, so I hardly use it anymore. CE was
a very slow means of capturing frames and a VCR with wobbly tracking on
pause didn't help the quality any.
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7:49 p.m.
On 01/11/2017 04:00 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
I never saw deck controllers, though it wouldn't
have been
difficult to homebrew one. When we used a C64 to do some
titling for a school project, we just directly recorded
the output to the VCR. I do believe there were some
genlock products around but I never used one.
Back in 1986 - 1992 or so I made
video animation
controllers. These could be connected to a variety of
editing VCRs such as U-matic, M series and VHS editing
decks. It had a Z80 and typical RAM, ROM a calculator LED
display and circuitry to lay down a time code and read the
time code. It didn't see the video signal at all, just got
sync pulses on the remote control connector, and one audio
track in and out. Mostly sold to people making videos of
scientific results. I sold about 20 of them.
Jon
5:38 p.m.
No, C64's were too limited (8-bit) to do anything video related.
However, video production was actually possible with the Amiga 1000 as
you could get the Amiga 1300 Genlock, and the Amiga itself always
natively produced composite video ....real true non-linear editing with
the computer itself however was really only done with the Toaster Flyer
unit (the Video Toaster itself just produced video effects/titling and
came bundled with LightWave 3D).
I used to be a Commodore dealer, and the NewTek (Video Toaster)
distributor in Canada, so if you need any info hit me up!
Syd Bolton
Personal Computer Museum
http://www.pcmuseum.ca
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:14:19 -0500, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas -
also need Amiga
keyboard?
Were Commodore 64's used in editing video like the Amigas were to
any
extent?
Looking to figure if there is an overlap area in yet another
area of
our displays we can do between computing and video production.
We have a Amiga, 2000 desk top type, with a video toaster in it that
needs a keyboard and factory mouse!
Can anyone help?
Thanks Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
5:44 p.m.
New subject: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need Amiga [keyboard?]
No, C64's were too limited (8-bit) to do anything
video related.
I'm going to be strenuously pedantic: the bittedness of the 6510 isn't why
it's a less optimal video candidate, the relatively limited video output
(which is the VIC-II, not the CPU) is. 320x200 probably has enough bit
detail but the 8x8 colour limitation is crippling, and 160x200 even on a
TV screen is blocky.
But we definitely used it for video in lo-fi cheap productions. The 40x25
text mode is more than enough for some very basic titling, and it has
separated video as well.
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6:04 p.m.
The video flyer used external scsi storage for content I believe, kind of
a separate computer inside the Amiga?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:38:26 -0500
From: Syd Bolton <sbolton at bfree.on.ca>
Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" <cctech at
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To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Were C64's used in editing video like the Amigas - also need
Amiga [UTF-8] keyboard?
No, C64's were too limited (8-bit) to do anything video related.
However, video production was actually possible with the Amiga 1000 as you
could get the Amiga 1300 Genlock, and the Amiga itself always natively
produced composite video ....real true non-linear editing with the computer
itself however was really only done with the Toaster Flyer unit (the Video
Toaster itself just produced video effects/titling and came bundled with
LightWave 3D).
I used to be a Commodore dealer, and the NewTek (Video Toaster) distributor
in Canada, so if you need any info hit me up!
Syd Bolton
Personal Computer Museum
http://www.pcmuseum.ca
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:14:19 -0500, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
--
Ethan O'Toole
Were C64's used in editing video like the
Amigas - also need Amiga
keyboard?
Were Commodore 64's used in editing video like the Amigas were to any
extent?
Looking to figure if there is an overlap area in yet another area of
our displays we can do between computing and video production.
We have a Amiga, 2000 desk top type, with a video toaster in it that
needs a keyboard and factory mouse!
Can anyone help?
Thanks Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)
12 Jan
12 Jan
6:33 a.m.
The video flyer used external scsi storage for content
I believe,
kind of a separate computer inside the Amiga?
It was just an expansion card--controlled by the computer, and yes
because you usually needed some much storage (typical drives back then
were only 9GB for the fast ones) you had to get a "tower" to chain a
bunch of SCSI drives together.
But it was definitely not a separate computer.
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