19 Aug
2012
19 Aug
'12
4:18 p.m.
I have a HP 9000/300 68000 with an extra processor card.
I was surprised when I pulled the processor card from the machine and
discovered a 68030 CPU.
I was shocked I didn't remember that card.
Looking for software, I checked bitsavers, but only located a Pascal
compiler.
Does this machine have any interesting (O/S) software freely available?
Are their any list members playing with this machine?
Is it possible to boot from the GPIB?
I'm behind a dial-up wall and I was hoping to save some bandwidth before
downloading the manuals.
Thanks,
- Jim.
19 Aug
19 Aug
5:07 p.m.
I have a HP 9000/300 68000 with an extra processor
card.
I was surprised when I pulled the processor card from the machine and
discovered a 68030 CPU.
I was shocked I didn't remember that card.
Looking for software, I checked bitsavers, but only located a Pascal
compiler.
Does this machine have any interesting (O/S) software freely available?
Are their any list members playing with this machine?
Is it possible to boot from the GPIB?
I'm behind a dial-up wall and I was hoping to save some bandwidth before
downloading the manuals.
I have an HP 9000/350 and it boots from a hard disk connected over HP-IB
into HP-UX. They are very nice machines.
NetBSD has an hp300 port, but for historical purposes I prefer to run
HP-UX. You can run up to 9.x on them (10.0 required PA-RISC).
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5:24 p.m.
On 8/19/12 5:07 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
PASCAL and BASIC are available for them. Check the Australian HP museum
for on-line disk images.
I have a HP
9000/300 68000 with an extra processor card.
I was surprised when I pulled the processor card from the machine and
discovered a 68030 CPU.
I was shocked I didn't remember that card.
Looking for software, I checked bitsavers, but only located a Pascal
compiler.
Does this machine have any interesting (O/S) software freely available?
Are their any list members playing with this machine?
Is it possible to boot from the GPIB?
I'm behind a dial-up wall and I was hoping to save some bandwidth before
downloading the manuals.
I have an HP 9000/350 and it boots from a hard disk connected over HP-IB
into HP-UX. They are very nice machines.
NetBSD has an hp300 port, but for historical purposes I prefer to run
HP-UX. You can run up to 9.x on them (10.0 required PA-RISC).
5:53 p.m.
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Thanks Al and Cameron,
I tried to put together a full system in 2000, but wacky willies was
asking $50 US for the GPIB hard disk.
That now seems pretty cheap.Unless you're trying to sell it.
The system contains 4 MB on a mezzanine and 2 X 1 MB cards. It looks
like it was used for something interesting,
It also contains a floating point board. Is that useful in a 030 setup?
Unfortunately, No SCSI or other I/O
I don't remember if the 030 board was in the original configuration,
so the FP board would figure into a 68K solution.
-Jim
I have a HP
9000/300 68000 with an extra processor card.
I was surprised when I pulled the processor card from the machine and
discovered a 68030 CPU.
I was shocked I didn't remember that card.
Looking for software, I checked bitsavers, but only located a Pascal
compiler.
Does this machine have any interesting (O/S) software freely available?
Are their any list members playing with this machine?
Is it possible to boot from the GPIB?
I'm behind a dial-up wall and I was hoping to save some bandwidth before
downloading the manuals.
I have an HP 9000/350 and it boots from a hard disk
connected over HP-IB
into HP-UX. They are very nice machines.
NetBSD has an hp300 port, but for historical purposes I prefer to run
HP-UX. You can run up to 9.x on them (10.0 required PA-RISC).
6:03 p.m.
On Aug 19, 2012 5:56 PM, "jimpdavis" <jimpdavis at gorge.net> wrote:
I tried to put together a full system in 2000, but wacky willies was
asking $50 US
for the GPIB hard disk.
That now seems pretty cheap.
-Jim
Finding a working HPIB hard drive at a reasonable price might be a
challenge these days.
There is the HPDrive emulator if you don't have one.
http://www.hp9845.net/9845/projects/hpdrive/
6:25 p.m.
I tried to put
together a full system in 2000, but wacky willies was
asking $50 US for the GPIB hard disk.
That now seems pretty cheap.
Finding a working HPIB hard drive at a reasonable price might be a
challenge these days.
There is the HPDrive emulator if you don't have one.
http://www.hp9845.net/9845/projects/hpdrive/
20 Aug
20 Aug
9:01 a.m.
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
If the drive type you want to emulate is not already in the list it
appears that you can add a definition for a new type type to the
hpdrive.ini defintion file.
I haven't tried using the HPDrive emulator with anything but my HP-86B
so far. It seems to work well for that. Some day I'll have to try
using it with my HP-1000 2117F and A900.
C:\hpdrive-40beta4>hpdrive.exe -presets
Device presets
---------------------------------------------------
9895 HP9895A 8" 1.15M AMIGO floppy drive
82901 HP82901 5.25" 270K AMIGO floppy drive
9121 HP9121 3.5" 270K AMIGO floppy drive
9134A HP9134A 4.8M AMIGO hard drive
9134B HP9134B 9.6M AMIGO hard drive
9134XV HP9134XV 14.5M AMIGO hard drive
7910 HP7910 5.25" 12M AMIGO Winchester drive
7905 HP7905 15M AMIGO (MAC) hard drive
7906 HP7906 19M AMIGO (MAC) hard drive
7920 HP7920 48M AMIGO (MAC) hard drive
7925 HP7925 116M AMIGO (MAC)hard drive
7906H HP7906 19M AMIGO (ICD) hard drive
7920H HP7920 48M AMIGO (ICD) hard drive
7925H HP7925 116M AMIGO (ICD) hard drive
7970 HP7970E magnetic tape drive
7974 HP7974A magnetic tape drive
7976 HP7976A magnetic tape drive
7978 HP7978A magnetic tape drive
7979 HP7979A magnetic tape drive
7980 HP7980A magnetic tape drive
9122 HP9122 dual 3.5" 630K SS/80 floppy drive
9127A HP9127A 370K 5.25" SS/80 floppy drive
9134D HP9134D 15M SS/80 Winchester drive
9134H HP9134H 20M SS/80 Winchester drive
9134L HP9134L 40M SS/80 Winchester drive
9153B HP9153B 9.5M SS/80 Winchester drive
9153C HP9153C 38M SS/80 Winchester drive
9154B HP9154B 19M SS/80 Winchester drive
7908 HP7908 17M CS/80 hard drive
7911 HP7911 28M CS/80 hard drive
7912 HP7912 66M CS/80 hard drive
7914 HP7914 132M CS/80 hard drive
7937A HP7937A 544M CS/80 hard drive
7941 HP7941 24M CS/80 hard drive
7945 HP7945 55M CS/80 hard drive
7957A HP7957A 78M CS/80 hard drive
7958A HP7958A 152M CS/80 hard drive
7957B HP7957B 81M CS/80 hard drive
7958B HP7958B 152M CS/80 hard drive
7959B HP7959B 304M CS/80 hard drive
7963B HP7963B 304M CS/80 hard drive
C2200 HPC2200A 335M CS/80 hard drive
C2202 HPC2202A 670M CS/80 hard drive
C2203 HPC2203A 670M CS/80 hard drive
9144-150 HP9144 16M CS/80 tape drive
9144-600 HP9144 64M CS/80 tape drive
9145-150 HP9145 32M CS/80 tape drive
9145-600 HP9145 128M CS/80 tape drive
9133D HP9133D SS/80 15M hard + 630K floppy drive
9133H HP9133H SS/80 20M hard + 630K floppy drive
9133L HP9133L SS/80 40M hard + 630K floppy drive
7942-150 HP7942 CS/80 24M hard + 16M tape drive
7942-600 HP7942 CS/80 24M hard + 64M tape drive
7946-150 HP7945 CS/80 55M hard + 16M tape drive
7946-600 HP7945 CS/80 55M hard + 64M tape drive
There is the HPDrive emulator if you don't have one.
http://www.hp9845.net/9845/projects/hpdrive/
Does that work with the HP 9000 series? I don't recognize any of the
models. My 9000/350 has a 6000/670H connected, which was supposed to
replace the 793x/796x type hard disks, and it doesn't seem to support
those either. 
11:46 a.m.
There is the
HPDrive emulator if you don't have one.
http://www.hp9845.net/9845/projects/hpdrive/
Does that work with the HP 9000 series? I don't recognize any of the models. My 9000/350 has a 6000/670H connected, which
was supposed to
replace the 793x/796x type hard disks, and it doesn't seem to support
those either.
I do have a 9122 *floppy* disk, and it does seem to support the 9121,
so that's probably close enough for *floppies.*
Not so. IIRC the 9121 is Amigo, the 9122 (and 9123 [1]) is SS/80.
[1] This is a special drive unit for the HP150-II. It has no internal
PSU, it takes power from a special DIN socket on the HP150-II.
Electronciing it's quite different otother HP drives, logically it's an 9122
21 Aug
21 Aug
6:10 p.m.
Making an HPIB 'drive' using flash memory
cards (or USB sticks), a
microcontroller, et is one of those projects that gets talked about
here from time to time but which nobody has ever doen.
I got started on building glue logic so a host with a parallel port
could play HP-IB drive. But I think I managed to blow the output stage
on one of the driver ICs on my host machine before I got much of
anywhere. :(
It's one of the projects I intend to pick up one of these years.
Perhaps someone else will get to it first.
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22 Aug
22 Aug
12:30 p.m.
Making an HPIB 'drive' using flash memory
cards (or USB sticks), a
microcontroller, et is one of those projects that gets talked about
here from time to time but which nobody has ever doen.
I got started on building glue logic so a host with a parallel port
could play HP-IB drive. But I think I managed to blow the output stage
on one of the driver ICs on my host machine before I got much of
anywhere. :(
It's one of the projects I intend to pick up one of these years.
Perhaps someone else will get to it first.
Yeah, that;s how I feel. Perhpas when the ST412-interface drives in my HP
drive units fail irreprably, I will take it on.
-tony
23 Aug
23 Aug
12:15 a.m.
Making an HPIB 'drive' using flash memory
cards (or USB sticks), a
microcontroller, et is one of those projects that gets talked about
here from time to time but which nobody has ever doen.
I got started on building
glue logic so a host with a parallel port
could play HP-IB drive. I half-thought about using an R-pi. Banging the HPIB
handshake on the
pins of htat user port connecotr (with buffres added, of course).
the R-pi has just about everything else you need, includign a USB
host interface.
A USB host interface is only marginally more useful to me than it is to
you. Serial line or Ethernet - preferbaly serial line *and* Ethernet -
is what I'd want. And I wouldn't spend money on a pi in any case, not
when I've got plenty of perfectly good hardware lying around.
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1:53 p.m.
I might be, too, once I have enough experience with
it. If I can't
make a full desktop host speak HP-IB through glue logic (well, possibly
aside from timing constraint reasons), I'm not going to be able to make
a microcontroller do it.
True. You could, of course, use one of the HPIB interface chisp, but most
ahve been discontinued. They are still easy to find, but I wouldn't want
to design a device round them.
From what I remember, there is only one timing-tricial
bit of the HPIB
interfce. I think it's sasserting the approprate data lien on a
parallel
poll -- there is no hanschake ivolved, so the device has to repsod
quickly enougjh. Everything else is a fully interlocked handshake. A
microcontrolelr _should_ be able ot keep up wit hthe timing requirements,
even for parallel poll, but 'should' is a prime source of hard-to-find
headaches :-). If I was doing it, I'd add the minimal external logic and
do it in hardware...
I half-thought about using an R-pi. Banging the
HPIB handshake on the
pins of htat user port connecotr (with buffres added, of course).
the R-pi has just about everything else you need, includign a USB
host interface.
A USB host interface is only marginally more useful to me than it is to
you. Serial line or Ethernet - preferbaly serial line *and* Ethernet - is what I'd want. And I wouldn't spend money
on a pi in any case, not
when I've got plenty of perfectly good hardware lying around.
The problem for me is that HP machines re not always small, so there's
not enough room to put the one I am working on _and a PC setup_ on my
bench at the same time. Hence my idea for a small stand-alone thing. It
shouldn't; be hard to do.
-tony
19 Aug
19 Aug
6:35 p.m.
I have an HP
9000/350 and it boots from a hard disk connected over HP-IB
into HP-UX. They are very nice machines.
NetBSD has an hp300 port, but for historical purposes I prefer to run
HP-UX. You can run up to 9.x on them (10.0 required PA-RISC).
I tried to put together a full system in 2000, but wacky willies was
asking $50 US for the GPIB hard disk.
That now seems pretty cheap.Unless you're trying to sell it. The system contains 4 MB on a mezzanine and 2 X 1 MB
cards. It looks
like it was used for something interesting,
It also contains a floating point board. Is that useful in a 030 setup?
Yes. The '030 has an integrated MMU, not an FPU. So a 68881/2 would have
been particularly handy for a workstation.
Unfortunately, No SCSI or other I/O
Mine just has HP-IB, and I don't know it would boot from a SCSI card anyway.
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20 Aug
20 Aug
11:38 a.m.
I have a HP 9000/300 68000 with an extra processor card.
I was surprised when I pulled the processor card from the machine and
discovered a 68030 CPU.
I was shocked I didn't remember that card.
Looking for software, I checked bitsavers, but only located a Pascal
compiler.
The best site IMHO for old HP desktop machines is the Australian HP
Museum site, http://wwww.hpmusuem.net/ I have no idea what software is
avaialbel there, but I would think you'd find pascal and BASIC at least.
Does this machine have any interesting (O/S) software
freely available?
Are their any list members playing with this machine?
Alas it's too modern for me. The HP9000/200 machines are interesting to
me, but the 300 series have far too many custom ICs in them. Although
there are data sheets for a couple of them on bitsavers.
Is it possible to boot from the GPIB?
Should be. You need an HP disk unit, I would guess CS/80 or SS/80.
Finding one of those is something of a problem now. They do turn up on
E-bay, but often seen to have ridiculous prices.
I'm behind a dial-up wall and I was hoping to save
some bandwidth before
downloading the manuals.
I don;t know where you are, but when I have this sort of problem I spend
an hourt or two in a local internet cafe....
-tony
22 Aug
22 Aug
11:40 p.m.
On Sun, 19 Aug 2012 16:18:27 -0700
jimpdavis <jimpdavis at gorge.net> wrote:
Does this machine have any interesting (O/S) software
freely available?
Depending on the exact hardware configuration it may run
4.4BSD-Lite2
Unix. This is available from the archive of The Unix Heritage Society.
I run it on my HP9000 433t. Most likely you will need NetBSD to
bootstrap 4.4BSD-Lite2.
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