4 Feb
2000
4 Feb
'00
10:58 a.m.
Hi Kevin,
....I picked up a lot of cool stuff, but the real prize
was an
HP model 45851A (I think) 'Touchscreen II,' a.k.a HP 150C.
Nice find.
....But I don't think anyone in the company still
has the disk
media. I can't imagine there being any other options besides
the HP version of MS-DOS that it shipped with....
I can send you a Teledisk image of the DOS disc if you need one. Other than
that I have no software for the machine.
Hardware options included several different RAM boards, one with built in
HP-IL interface, various floppy/hard drive units and the touch screen itself
(I've NEVER seen a machine with the touch screen BTW).
Do you have some form of drive unit for the machine? Without one all you
have is a dumb terminal....
TTFN - Pete.
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5 Feb
5 Feb
3:41 a.m.
Hi,
I have a bunch of programs for the HP 150 including several versions of
MS_DOS. As you've probably figured out by now, the 150s aren't entirely
IBM compatible. The programs for it should use only DOS calls, if they
access the hardware directly then they have to modified to work with the
150. If your machine is a box with squared corners and the expansion cards
are mounted vertical behind the monitor then it's a TouchScreen II. If the
machine has nice rounded edges and the expansion cards are horizontal in
the bottom then it's the original HP 150. The TS II has a 5 pin DIN
connector in the back. That's used to provide power for a HP 9123 disk
drive. The 150 and TS II can both use the HP 9121 and 9122 3.5" floppy
disk drives. The 9121 is a single sided drive and the 9122 is a double
sided drive. Both drives are AC powered. The HP 9123 drive is exactly the
same as the 9122 except that it has no power supply and gets it's power
from the TS II. You can connect it to an external power
supply and use it
on a 150 or any other HP machine that supports the 9122. The S
verion of
the drives only have a single drive but the D verson of the drives have
dual drives. FWIW there is also a HP 9122C but it's scarce. The C is a
quad density drive and is not compatible with the other 9122s. I don't
think the 150 or TS-11 supports the 9122C.
The Touch Screen feature is standard on the 150 but optional on the
TS-II. Strange! I've never seen a Touch Screen on a TS-II. I don't think
many buyers added it.
Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Joe
At 09:58 PM 2/4/00 -0000, you wrote:
Hi Kevin,
....I picked up a lot of cool stuff, but the real
prize was an
HP model 45851A (I think) 'Touchscreen II,' a.k.a HP 150C.
Nice find.
....But I don't think anyone in the company
still has the disk
media. I can't imagine there being any other options besides
the HP version of MS-DOS that it shipped with....
I can send you a Teledisk image of the DOS disc if you need one. Other than
that I have no software for the machine.
Hardware options included several different RAM boards, one with built in
HP-IL interface, various floppy/hard drive units and the touch screen itself
(I've NEVER seen a machine with the touch screen BTW).
Do you have some form of drive unit for the machine? Without one all you
have is a dumb terminal....
TTFN - Pete.
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6 Feb
6 Feb
3:25 p.m.
Hi Joe,
....As you've probably figured out by now, the 150s
aren't
entirely IBM compatible....
I think that qualifies as the biggest understatement of the year so far.
:-))
....If your machine is a box with squared corners and
the
expansion cards are mounted vertical behind the monitor then
it's a TouchScreen II....
I can't speak for the person who posted the original message, but that's
certainly the machine I have.
....If the machine has nice rounded edges and the
expansion cards
are horizontal in the bottom then it's the original HP 150....
If that's the one which looks very much like the terminals HP supply with
their HP 3000 series mainframes then I'd very much like to get my hands on
one (not to mention an HP-120 or 125).
....Both drives are AC powered. The HP 9123 drive is
exactly the
same as the 9122 except that it has no power supply and gets it's
power from the TS II....
Hmm, that sounds like the drive box I have (dual drive version) - I can't
actually get to it to check right now though.
The Touch Screen feature is standard on the 150 but
optional on
the TS-II. Strange! I've never seen a Touch Screen on a TS-II. I
don't think many buyers added it.
That's my theory too. I know Tony's seen a few, but all the unit's I've
seen
(admittedly only a handfull) hadn't had the touch screen added - though I
suppose they could've been removed and been sold off seperately.
Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Well, at the moment what I really want is to find somewhere in the UK where
I can find some RAM boards for it (I have none) and a hard drive -
preferably without having to part with an arm and a leg. Oh, are the rear
panels hard to come by, mine is missing?
TTFN - Pete.
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7 Feb
7 Feb
3:33 a.m.
Hi Pete,
It probably is. They seem to be standard with the TS-II. BTW some of
these models had different names in Europe. I don't remember the details
now but I did see a message showing the differences once. It's just
something that you may want to keep in mind when you start discussing them.
If they did, then they replaced the bezel with a non-Touch Screen one.
I have plenty of hard drives. What model are you looking for? I have
one here that has TS-II software already on it, I could probably copy it to
another one for you. BTW I'm in Florida. Do you know anyone that's coming
to Orlando that could bring one back to you? They're not exactly light.
RAM: You should see if Tony can find a way to install 256K ics instead
of the 64K ones. Most (all?) of the the Touch Screens that I see have 512K
or less. I've never seen one with expanded memory.
Oh, are the rear
I can't speak for the person who posted the
original message, but that's
certainly the machine I have.
What model termainal are you for? I have no idea what they supply with
the 3000 but I see piles of 700/92 terminals in a local scrap yard. I have
several 35712s (I think that's the right number).
....If the machine has nice rounded edges and the
expansion cards
are horizontal in the bottom then it's the original HP 150....
If that's the one which looks very much like the terminals HP supply with
their HP 3000 series mainframes then I'd very much like to get my hands on
one (not to mention an HP-120 or 125). ....Both drives are AC powered. The HP 9123 drive
is exactly the
same as the 9122 except that it has no power supply and gets it's
power from the TS II....
Hmm, that sounds like the drive box I have (dual drive version) - I can't
actually get to it to check right now though. The Touch Screen feature is standard on the 150
but optional on
the TS-II. Strange! I've never seen a Touch Screen on a TS-II. I
don't think many buyers added it.
That's my theory too. I know Tony's seen a few, but all the unit's I've
seen
(admittedly only a handfull) hadn't had the touch screen added - though I
suppose they could've been removed and been sold off seperately. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Well, at the moment what I really want is to find somewhere in the UK where
I can find some RAM boards for it (I have none) and a hard drive -
preferably without having to part with an arm and a leg. panels hard to come by, mine is missing?
Hmmm. I don't know where you'd get one without buying the whole machine
but ask Jeff Kaneko ("jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com".com". I think he located a pile of
TS-IIs a year or so ago. He may be able to send you a panel.
TTFN - Pete.
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4:19 p.m.
At 06:40 PM 2/7/00 +0000, Tony wrote:
FWIW, I have 2 9133s and a 9154 on my 150-II. Oh, and a
couple of 9142
QIC tape drives.
Do you have the software to format the tapes in the 9152s?
This reminds me. One of the more interesting items for the HP 150 is the
HP 9127 disk drive. It has a 5 1/4" floppy drive and it reads and writes
disks in a standard MS-DOS format instead of HP's LIF format. I have a
couple of 9127s but I've never tried to use them. Does anyone know if the
9127s can be used on any of the other HP systems? I haven't found much
information about them in the HP catalogs.
Joe
8 Feb
8 Feb
8:13 a.m.
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22 Feb
22 Feb
3:37 a.m.
Hi Tony,
To be exact, I've seen _one_ HP150-II with the
touchscreen
-- mine....
Heh, to be honest I've only seen around 5 of the things myself....not
exactly a large sample. :-)
....The touchscreen is built into the CRT bezel, so
you'd
have to have the plain bezel to replace it if you removed
the touchscreen.
Ah, I wasn't aware of that. I'd assumed it clipped on over the existing
bezel in some manner, hence making it easily removable.
The hard disk is a GPIB unit, like the floppy drives.
There are
various models that will work....
....FWIW, I have 2 9133s and a 9154 on my 150-II. Oh, and a couple
of 9142 QIC tape drives.
I'll have to keep my eyes open now rally season is starting again. I used to
see a lot of HP drive boxes on sale at them, during the last few years the
supply seems to have dried up somewhat....always the way, you see lots, but
when you actually want one....
TTFN - Pete.
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New subject: [ClassicCMP] Re: I found an HP150 (model 45851A?)--how do I make it work?
At 06:36 PM 2/5/00 +0000, Tony wrote:
The Touch Screen came standard on all HP 150s. It was optional on the
TS-II. It could also be ordered and installed by the user. I've never
seen it on a TS-II, but I've only seen a few TS-IIs anyway. BUT I did see
a Touch Screen add on for sale on E-bay once. The same add-on Touch Screen
could also be used on one of the HP terminals.
Joe
(I've NEVER seen a machine with the touch
screen BTW).
I can confirm that it does exist, at least for the 150-II.
6 Feb
6 Feb
3:39 p.m.
Hi Tony,
No, I wasn't suggesting it didn't - just that for some reason all the ones
I've ever seen (at radio rallies mostly) have been without the touch
screen....
TTFN - Pete.
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I've never seen a combined RAM and HPIL board. Are
you
_sure_ ?
Well, I've never seen one, but the HP-150 FAQ mentions a "45915A: 384k RAM
memory with HP-HIL interface".
I haven't really done any digging on the HP yet, all I know is what I've
learnt by reading the FAQ.
The add-on cards I have are:
OK, the FAQ mentions the following cards:
45630A: 128k RAM memory expansion
45631A: 256k RAM memory expansion
45632A: 384k RAM memory expansion
45915A: 384k RAM memory with HP-HIL interface
45890A: Expanded memory board with 512k of RAM
45891A: Additional 256k RAM for board.
and
45914A: HP-HIL card for the 150A and 150B.
45643A: HP-IL and parallel printer interface board.
45640A: 1200 baud modem card for HP 150A/B
45640B: 1200 baud modem card for HP 150 II.
I've no idea how exhaustive list this is, I'd guess not very since the 2Mb
RAM board you have isn't mentioned.
(I've
NEVER seen a machine with the touch screen BTW).
I can confirm that it does exist, at least for the 150-II.
7:49 a.m.
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21 Feb
21 Feb
2:54 p.m.
Hi Tony,
Oh, I am not disputing a combined RAM and HP-HIL
board....
HPIL is _NOT_ HP-HIL.
I see, my fault I've been typing "HP-IL" when I meant "HP-HIL" -
for some
reason I've always called "HP-HIL" "HP-IL"...?
Actually, it is. That 2Mbyte board is the 45890A
(512K) +
enough of the 45891A kits....to completely fill it.....
Ah, the FAQ didn't mention that. I assumed that you could only fit the one
expansion kit to the board. Heck, now I come to think of it that's a pretty
dumb assumption....a 768K RAM expansion...?
TTFN - Pete.
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