6 Jul
2001
6 Jul
'01
11:15 a.m.
--- Douglas Quebbeman
<dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote:
Do you mean that most people charge too much, or "any" price is too much
if it's missing bits?
The former; these things are being bought up by Mac fans as
part of the Mac's heritage.
What's a good price for most of a Lisa?
Too much. Are keyboards findable? 3.5" 400K disk images
with Lisa software? I
suspect that a Mac 128K/512K mouse would work (nine-pin, raw quadrature),
but keyboards are particular beasts. Anyone ever rig up a PIC scan-code
converter?
I've seen just keyboards for sale on E-Bay...
I realize that I will probably never see a complete
Lisa system with
software,
docs and a printer go for $25, but is a base unit with
a working monitor
and CPU worth $50? $100? More?
Yeah, I'd give you 50 bucks for it...
Honestly, in better times, I'd probably pay up to $250. These aren't
those times...
Regards,
-doug q
6 Jul
6 Jul
11:30 a.m.
So put the thing up on eBay. That will get you the top price you could expect.
You'll be surprised how little that will be.
Nowadays, every time I go to the thrift stores, I see several old MAC's and an
occasional Lisa, for 10% of what a comparable PC goes for, and that's not very
much. Of course if you look inside the typical MAC/Lisa thingie, there's a HDD
that's not terribly interesting except, perhaps, historically.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Quebbeman" <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: How much is a partial Lisa worth?
--- Douglas
Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote:
Do you mean that most people charge too much, or "any" price is too much
if it's missing bits?
The former; these things are being bought up by Mac fans as
part of the Mac's heritage.
What's a good price for most of a Lisa?
Too much. Are keyboards findable? 3.5" 400K disk
images with Lisa software? I
suspect that a Mac 128K/512K mouse would work (nine-pin, raw quadrature),
but keyboards are particular beasts. Anyone ever rig up a PIC scan-code
converter?
I've seen just keyboards for sale on E-Bay...
I realize that I will probably never see a
complete Lisa system with
software,
docs and a printer go for $25, but is a base unit
with a working monitor
and CPU worth $50? $100? More?
Yeah, I'd give you 50 bucks for it...
Honestly, in better times, I'd probably pay up to $250. These aren't
those times...
Regards,
-doug q
11:32 a.m.
Actually, a search on eBay, of the recently sold items, should give you a round
number. That will be a starting point from which you can go downward. Doing
that will save you from soiling your hands with an eBay transaction.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Quebbeman" <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: How much is a partial Lisa worth?
--- Douglas
Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote:
Do you mean that most people charge too much, or "any" price is too much
if it's missing bits?
The former; these things are being bought up by Mac fans as
part of the Mac's heritage.
What's a good price for most of a Lisa?
Too much. Are keyboards findable? 3.5" 400K disk
images with Lisa software? I
suspect that a Mac 128K/512K mouse would work (nine-pin, raw quadrature),
but keyboards are particular beasts. Anyone ever rig up a PIC scan-code
converter?
I've seen just keyboards for sale on E-Bay...
I realize that I will probably never see a
complete Lisa system with
software,
docs and a printer go for $25, but is a base unit
with a working monitor
and CPU worth $50? $100? More?
Yeah, I'd give you 50 bucks for it...
Honestly, in better times, I'd probably pay up to $250. These aren't
those times...
Regards,
-doug q
12:09 p.m.
--- Douglas
Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> wrote:
The former; these things are being bought up by Mac fans as
part of the Mac's heritage. I wrote:
Do you mean that most people charge too much, or "any" price is too much
if it's missing bits? What's a good price for most of a Lisa?
Too much. > I realize that I will probably never see a
complete Lisa system with
> software, docs and a printer go for $25,
I should have said "again" here (passed one by at a Hamfest years ago).
> a base unit with a working monitor...
Yeah, I'd give you 50 bucks for it...
That was my opinion of its value, but I wanted to hear from others.
Honestly, in better times, I'd probably pay up to
$250. These aren't
those times...
No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's closing its doors. Most of his
stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's asking $300. I
did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet adapters, complete with
docs, cables and software for $8, bare box only, $5. I want to turn an SE
or Plus into a localtalk gateway with that software from Apple's ftp site
that has been mentioned here once or twice.
I'll go back to the sale on Sunday and see what hasn't moved and offer the
guy about 20% of his asking prices on some stuff and see how bad he wants
to sell it.
-ethan
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7 Jul
7 Jul
5:22 a.m.
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's
closing its doors. Most
of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's
asking $300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet
adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box
only, $5. I want to turn an SE or Plus into a localtalk gateway with
that software from Apple's ftp site that has been mentioned here once
or twice.
Well, since he's trying to go out of business, does he really want to go
through the trouble of having to list this thing on eBay to get the $300
that he wants? If not then he should sell it to you for a far more
reasonable $50. Without a keyboard or mouse (don't tell him a Mac mouse
will work :) he won't get $300 for it on eBay, I guarantee you that.
He won't get substantially more than $50, and the trouble he would have to
go through to get the money, pack it and ship it will make it not worth
the effort.
Try to diplomatically bring this to his attention and maybe he'll see it
your way :)
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6:44 a.m.
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's
closing its doors. Most
of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's
asking $300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet
adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box
only, $5.
Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original message. Been looking for
a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time!
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8:07 a.m.
No kidding.
The seller is a Mac shop that's closing its doors. Most
of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's
asking $300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet
adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box
only, $5.
Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original message. Been looking for
a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time! 
8:36 a.m.
How much do you want for your PB100?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Dittman" <dittman(a)dittman.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: How much is a partial Lisa worth?
> > No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop
that's closing its doors. Most
> > of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's
> > asking $300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet
> > adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box
> > only, $5.
>
> Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original message. Been looking
for
a SCSI ENet
dongle for my SE/30 for some time!
You are in luck, then, as I have at least one (possibly two) of these
that I used to use with my PowerBook 100. If you're interested I'll
try to dig them up this weekend.
The PB100 is available, too, if you collect Mac stuff.
--
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dittman(a)dittman.net
9:40 a.m.
No kidding.
The seller is a Mac shop that's closing its doors. Most
of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's
asking $300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet
adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box
only, $5.
Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original message. Been looking for
a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time!
9:39 p.m.
--- Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote:
And in case you didn't know, you can steal one from a MacIIsi - same PDS
slot and bracket. I got one from Ohio State Surplus to fix up my one-and-
only Mac SE/30 and free up my PowerBook ADB-powered SCSI-Enet pod for my
new (to me) color PowerBook.
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Whoa! and
where?! I think I missed the original message. Been looking for
a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time!
They aren't rare, I am sure you had one in your hand last time you were
here. Asante EN SC, but I wouldn't use one for a SE/30 unless there was a
good reason why I couldn't use an internal card. 
2:13 p.m.
Cameron Kaiser skrev:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
> No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's
closing its doors. Most
> of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's
> asking $300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet
> adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box
> only, $5.
Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original
message. Been looking for
a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time!
Aren't they as common as dirt? There are lots of them at my local electronicws
surplus shop, and they often show up in auctions.
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2:24 p.m.
New subject: Asante EN SC
> asking
$300. I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet
> adapters, complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box
> only, $5.
Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original
message. Been looking for
a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time!
Aren't they as common as dirt? There are lots of them at my local electronicws
surplus shop, and they often show up in auctions. 
2:48 p.m.
New subject: Asante EN SC
plenty of compact mac users want them so they don't
have to open up their
macs to install one of the ethernet cards.
At least with the Color Classic you don't have to open up the
case itself...just the small access cover on the rear that allows the
mainboard to be pulled out enough to insert a PDS card in t he loan
PDS slot. I dread the thought of opening the case of one of the
earlier ones, such as the Plus, though most people likely wouldn't
for anything other than a RAM upgrade.
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5:12 p.m.
New subject: Asante EN SC
Jeff Hellige skrev:
>plenty of compact mac users want them so they
don't have to open up their
>macs to install one of the ethernet cards.
At least with the Color Classic you don't have
to open up the
case itself...just the small access cover on the rear that allows the
mainboard to be pulled out enough to insert a PDS card in t he loan
PDS slot. I dread the thought of opening the case of one of the
earlier ones, such as the Plus, though most people likely wouldn't
for anything other than a RAM upgrade.
Apart from the apparent danger of electrocution and shattered CRTs, opening up
compact Macs isn't too bad. You don't even need any particular tools, contrary
to popular belief. Just a nice flat screwdriver, preferably a long one,
perhaps with the additional aid of a pinch... clamp... argh, what's the
English word for such a tool? The one for pinching and clamping? =)
These are the worst case Macs, and they still aren't any worse than your bog-
standard PC, assuming you've got the right screwdriver.
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6:26 p.m.
New subject: Asante EN SC
You don't even need any particular tools, contrary
to popular belief. Just a nice flat screwdriver, preferably a long one,
Actually, you do need a nice long Torx-15. Gotta be skinny to get the
screws underneath the handle on top. You don't really need one of
these cracker deals, I've never had a problem gently pulling back and
forth on the case to get it loose, although something to pry with
that won't mar the case is always handy and gets things going a
little faster.
Glad I have an EN-SC, though. Don't have the network setup yet, but
I've got everything I need except the Cat5 cable. I think the Mac
drivers are still online. Hope I still have mine around...
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8 Jul
4:06 a.m.
New subject: Asante EN SC
John Rollins skrev:
>You don't even need any particular tools,
contrary
>to popular belief. Just a nice flat screwdriver, preferably a long one,
Actually, you do need a nice long Torx-15. Gotta be
skinny to get the
screws underneath the handle on top. You don't really need one of
these cracker deals, I've never had a problem gently pulling back and
forth on the case to get it loose, although something to pry with
that won't mar the case is always handy and gets things going a
little faster.
As I said, you don't need any fancy Torx drivers, just a preoperly dimensioned
flat one and some patience. That's how I've opened the majority of my Macs up.
Glad I have an EN-SC, though. Don't have the
network setup yet, but
I've got everything I need except the Cat5 cable. I think the Mac
drivers are still online. Hope I still have mine around...
I believe mine has self-ignited, because it smells a bit and the installation
software just hangs when it's plugged in. Now it's gained a useful purpose as
an intermediary in the usergroup SCSI chain, alleviating the shortage of
CEN50-CEN50 cables. =)
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4:48 p.m.
New subject: Asante EN SC
>You
don't even need any particular tools, contrary
>to popular belief. Just a nice flat screwdriver, preferably a long one,
Actually, you do need a nice long Torx-15. Gotta
be skinny to get the
As I said, you don't need any fancy Torx drivers, just a preoperly dimensioned
flat one and some patience. That's how I've opened the majority of my Macs up.
7 Jul
7 Jul
9:20 p.m.
--- Cameron Kaiser <spectre(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Columbus, OH.
No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's
closing its doors...
I did pick up a couple of Asante boxy SCSI<->Ethernet adapters,
complete with docs, cables and software for $8, bare box only, $5.
Whoa! and where?! I think I missed the original message. Been looking
for
a SCSI ENet dongle for my SE/30 for some time!
I will be keeping the one-and-only complete one, but I might consider letting
a box-only one go. It has a pair of DB-25s for SCSI, so you'd need a 25-pin
male-to-male cable for SCSI, and a 800mA 12VDC wall wart. Dunno if that's too
much to attempt to pull from the SE/30 PSU, or if you'd even want to try.
-ethan
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9:37 p.m.
--- Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
He seems pretty pig-headed. Some of his (other) prices are absurd.
No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's
closing its doors. Most
of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's
asking $300.
Well, since he's trying to go out of business, does he really want to go
through the trouble of having to list this thing on eBay to get the $300
that he wants? If not then he should sell it to you for a far more
reasonable $50.
Without a keyboard or mouse (don't tell him a Mac
mouse will work :)
Of course not. :-)
he won't get $300 for it on eBay, I guarantee you
that.
You underestimate the amount of stupid people who bid there, but with the
decline in the value of stock options, people aren't buying as many overpriced
vintage computers as they used to, I'd wager; at least not for as much
as they used to.
Still, I do agree. Working Lisa/MacXLs are going for $400-$500 or so.
He won't get substantially more than $50, and the
trouble he would have to
go through to get the money, pack it and ship it will make it not worth
the effort.
Try to diplomatically bring this to his attention and maybe he'll see it
your way :)
I was going to go by tomorrow on the last day of the sale and a) see if it's
still there, and b) offer him the $50 and see if he takes it. If he won't
budge, I'm not going to give him what he asks.
I've been through business liquidations on both ends. I negotiated the
entire quantity of Commodore stuff out of our local dealer when he closed.
A friend of mine and I split the cost and the haul. He only wanted three
or four pricey and valuable things (Ethernet card, large monitor, stuff
like that). I got, for not much more than this bozo wants for part of
a Lisa, two station-wagon loads of C= service center parts, including
a 19" Viking monitor with the special Amiga card, a couple of stripped
A2000s (back when they were worth a few hundred bucks), two parts drawers
full of PET through Amiga chips, three linear feet of C= service manuals,
promotional video tapes, the works. *That* was a going-out-of-business
sale!
This guy is still too attached to the stuff to recognize that he needs to
take what he can get and move on.
I plan to raid the dumpster next week for the stuff he couldn't sell. :-)
-ethan
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8 Jul
3:09 a.m.
New subject: How much is a partial Lisa worth? (PET Parts???)
Ethan...did you say Commodore PET parts? I'm looking for some parts to get
an 8K PET running...esp. ROMs + a keyboard. What have you got?
-Chandra
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:37 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: How much is a partial Lisa worth?
--- Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
He seems pretty pig-headed. Some of his (other) prices are absurd.
No kidding. The seller is a Mac shop that's
closing its doors. Most
of his stuff is overpriced, so I assumed that this was too - he's
asking $300.
Well, since he's trying to go out of business, does he really want to go
through the trouble of having to list this thing on eBay to get the $300
that he wants? If not then he should sell it to you for a far more
reasonable $50.
Without a keyboard or mouse (don't tell him a Mac
mouse will work :)
Of course not. :-)
he won't get $300 for it on eBay, I guarantee you
that.
You underestimate the amount of stupid people who bid there, but with the
decline in the value of stock options, people aren't buying as many
overpriced
vintage computers as they used to, I'd wager; at least not for as much
as they used to.
Still, I do agree. Working Lisa/MacXLs are going for $400-$500 or so.
He won't get substantially more than $50, and the
trouble he would have to
go through to get the money, pack it and ship it will make it not worth
the effort.
Try to diplomatically bring this to his attention and maybe he'll see it
your way :)
I was going to go by tomorrow on the last day of the sale and a) see if it's
still there, and b) offer him the $50 and see if he takes it. If he won't
budge, I'm not going to give him what he asks.
I've been through business liquidations on both ends. I negotiated the
entire quantity of Commodore stuff out of our local dealer when he closed.
A friend of mine and I split the cost and the haul. He only wanted three
or four pricey and valuable things (Ethernet card, large monitor, stuff
like that). I got, for not much more than this bozo wants for part of
a Lisa, two station-wagon loads of C= service center parts, including
a 19" Viking monitor with the special Amiga card, a couple of stripped
A2000s (back when they were worth a few hundred bucks), two parts drawers
full of PET through Amiga chips, three linear feet of C= service manuals,
promotional video tapes, the works. *That* was a going-out-of-business
sale!
This guy is still too attached to the stuff to recognize that he needs to
take what he can get and move on.
I plan to raid the dumpster next week for the stuff he couldn't sell. :-)
-ethan
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6:49 a.m.
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Exactly. The vintage computer market peaked a year ago, about the time
the stock market tanked and all the paper value that instigated $3,000
Altairs and IMSAIs went "poof".
he won't
get $300 for it on eBay, I guarantee you that.
You underestimate the amount of stupid people who bid there, but with
the decline in the value of stock options, people aren't buying as
many overpriced vintage computers as they used to, I'd wager; at least
not for as much as they used to. Still, I do agree. Working Lisa/MacXLs are going for
$400-$500 or so.
I still think that's a bit inflated.
I was going to go by tomorrow on the last day of the
sale and a) see
if it's still there, and b) offer him the $50 and see if he takes it.
If he won't budge, I'm not going to give him what he asks.
Good! Hold strong! :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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11:46 a.m.
The FOO is right, folks, even fancy MAC's and the occasional LISA don't bring
more than $25 in the Denver area thrift stores, and that's only if they're
complete. The odd CPU or Monitor, or even CPU + mouse + keyboard won't bring
much more than $5 if it's been opened. The sit for weeks with pricetags of $15
on them and end up in the dumpster.
I think the requirement nowadays is for complete and working.
Dick
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From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: How much is a partial Lisa worth?
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Exactly. The vintage computer market peaked a year ago, about the time
the stock market tanked and all the paper value that instigated $3,000
Altairs and IMSAIs went "poof".
he
won't get $300 for it on eBay, I guarantee you that.
You underestimate the amount of stupid people who bid there, but with
the decline in the value of stock options, people aren't buying as
many overpriced vintage computers as they used to, I'd wager; at least
not for as much as they used to. Still, I do agree. Working Lisa/MacXLs are going
for $400-$500 or so.
I still think that's a bit inflated.
I was going to go by tomorrow on the last day of
the sale and a) see
if it's still there, and b) offer him the $50 and see if he takes it.
If he won't budge, I'm not going to give him what he asks.
Good! Hold strong! :)
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