At 04:33 PM 9/7/2004, Steve Thatcher wrote: Well, of course. All these docs are probably in a no-man's-land of unenforced copyrights belonging to long-dead companies. It doesn't really give anyone the right to redistribute them. What's the real difference between someone giving them away on a web site or someone collecting docs and selling a DVD on ebay? He gives free copies of the DVD to people who send him docs. I played this game once and made a very big pile of money at it. In the early 90s, I collected 3D models from artists with the understanding that I would put them on a CD and sell it and give them a free copy. I collected more than 500 models, generated a few hundred tileable textures with a Mac program, and sold (and gave away) thousands of CDs at $200. Arguably, he's created a collection and holds a "collection copyright" on his assembly and arrangement of public domain or abandoned docs. Could someone put his DVD online and could he justifably complain? Probably. - John