21 Apr
2005
21 Apr
'05
9:01 p.m.
On 4/21/05, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/20/05, Christian R. Fandt <cfandt at
netsync.net> wrote:
Boy, that was a short month... I happened to be next to one of my
caches of DEC prints and lo and behold, the very 11/730-ZA print stack
I was after. It is about 2 cm thick, and contains mechanical drawings
of the cable tray, prints for the PSU, TU58, CPU, and memory,
schematics and PAL equations included.
It being B-sized drawings, I have no easy way to scan these... my
hardware tops out at 8.5"x14". Suggestions?
-ethan
Upon the date 22:44 19-04-05, Ethan Dicks said
something like:
OK... I'll do some digging this month. Hmm... I had no idea. I have a several-inch-thick
stack of prints for
the 11/730-Z...
Ohhhh, I would like a copy of any 11/730 docs you may find! 
22 Apr
22 Apr
1:27 a.m.
Al Kossow?
I should try to do it, but one scanner perfect for this matter fly away from
my scope some months ago.
Of course, it would be great if you could do it.
Cheers
Sergio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com>
To: "Christian R. Fandt" <cfandt at netsync.net>; <cctalk at
classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: VAX-11/730
OK... I'll do some digging this month.
Boy, that was a short month... I happened to be next to one of my
caches of DEC prints and lo and behold, the very 11/730-ZA print stack
I was after. It is about 2 cm thick, and contains mechanical drawings
of the cable tray, prints for the PSU, TU58, CPU, and memory,
schematics and PAL equations included.
It being B-sized drawings, I have no easy way to scan these... my
hardware tops out at 8.5"x14". Suggestions?
-ethan
On 4/21/05, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at
gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/20/05, Christian R. Fandt <cfandt at netsync.net> wrote:
> > Upon the date 22:44 19-04-05, Ethan Dicks said something like:
> > >Hmm... I had no idea. I have a several-inch-thick stack of prints
for
the 11/730-Z...
Ohhhh, I would like a copy of any 11/730 docs you may find! 
7:44 a.m.
On 4/22/05, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/21/05, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at
gmail.com> wrote:
See how much a print shop would charge to reduce it to A4. B+W
shouldn't be more than 1-2p a sheet.
Dan
On 4/20/05, Christian R. Fandt <cfandt at
netsync.net> wrote:
Boy, that was a short month... I happened to be next to one of my
caches of DEC prints and lo and behold, the very 11/730-ZA print stack
I was after. It is about 2 cm thick, and contains mechanical drawings
of the cable tray, prints for the PSU, TU58, CPU, and memory,
schematics and PAL equations included.
It being B-sized drawings, I have no easy way to scan these... my
hardware tops out at 8.5"x14". Suggestions?
-ethan
Upon the date 22:44 19-04-05, Ethan Dicks said
something like:
OK... I'll do some digging this month. Hmm... I had no idea. I have a several-inch-thick
stack of prints for
the 11/730-Z...
Ohhhh, I would like a copy of any 11/730 docs you may find! 
2:11 p.m.
See how much a print shop would charge to reduce it to
A4. B+W
shouldn't be more than 1-2p a sheet.
Leaving aside the fact that it is probably already scanned,
all the 11x17 photocopiers I've seen lately are actually
printer/scanner combos. So if it can copy 11x17", it can almost
certainly scan 11x17" and produce either TIFF or PDF.
Antonio
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Antonio Carlini arcarlini at iee.org
2:01 p.m.
Boy, that was a short month... I happened to be next to
one of my
caches of DEC prints and lo and behold, the very 11/730-ZA print stack
I was after. It is about 2 cm thick, and contains mechanical drawings
of the cable tray, prints for the PSU, TU58, CPU, and memory,
schematics and PAL equations included.
It being B-sized drawings, I have no easy way to scan these... my
hardware tops out at 8.5"x14". Suggestions?
Is this any different to the one I scanned and is
available via Manx. If not, I'd suggest that for penance you
find something that isn't already on there and scan that :-)
Antonio
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Antonio Carlini arcarlini at iee.org
4:56 p.m.
On 4/22/05, Antonio Carlini <a.carlini at ntlworld.com> wrote:
Is this any different to the one I scanned and is
available via Manx. If not, I'd suggest that for penance you
find something that isn't already on there and scan that :-)
Fear not. I'll be checking my stack for any pages that are _not_ in
that 65MB PDF.
-ethan
7:16 p.m.
Boy, that was a short month... I happened to be
next to one of my
caches of DEC prints and lo and behold, the very 11/730-ZA print stack
I was after. It is about 2 cm thick, and contains mechanical drawings
of the cable tray, prints for the PSU, TU58, CPU, and memory,
schematics and PAL equations included.
It being B-sized drawings, I have no easy way to scan these... my
hardware tops out at 8.5"x14". Suggestions?
Is this any different to the one I scanned and is
available via Manx. If not, I'd suggest that for penance you
find something that isn't already on there and scan that :-) 
7:47 p.m.
Tony wrote:
However, the PALs in an 11/730 are not protected (the
security fuse is
intact), and when I had access to a good PAL programmer, I actually
desoldered all the PALs in my 11/730 and read them out. So the PAL
equations would be trivial to reconstruct given the schematics, which are
on Manx.
There is a DOS executable floating around called JED2EQN that does this
for the simple (early) PALs. It was part of the National Semiconductor
Opal Jr. package. A version of that is on my PALASM web page, near
the bottom.
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/mmi/palasm/
Note that I have not run ANY of these binary-only tools, and offer no
warranty for them. Caveat emptor! (For that matter, I don't offer any
warranty for the Fortran versions, nor for any of the software that I've
written.)
Eric
8:43 p.m.
Tony wrote:
Sure, I have it somewhere. It came with the (binary-only) software for
the Elektor GAL programmer. There was also a simple PAL/GAL assembler, a
PAL-to-GAL translator, etc. I think it was a version of Opal-jr
However, the PALs in an 11/730 are not protected
(the security fuse is
intact), and when I had access to a good PAL programmer, I actually
desoldered all the PALs in my 11/730 and read them out. So the PAL
equations would be trivial to reconstruct given the schematics, which are
on Manx.
There is a DOS executable floating around called JED2EQN that does this
for the simple (early) PALs. It was part of the National Semiconductor From what I remmeber, the main bug (maybe in the docs,
they were not at
all clear) was that it wouldn't take a label file to name the
pins. It
insisted on calling them I1, I2, etc for the inputs, O1, O2, etc for the
outputs. This was trivially got round by running the output of JED2EQN
through sed on a linux box with the appropriate script to replaec I1 with
its name, etc.
I can;t rememebr if I ever ran the 11/730 PALs through this. I was
certainly going to, but I may have been waiting for schematics to get the
signal names.
-tony
11:22 p.m.
On 4/22/05, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I can;t rememebr if I ever ran the 11/730 PALs through this. I was
certainly going to, but I may have been waiting for schematics to get the
signal names.
Then the dream of re-creating an 11/730 on an FPGA chip can be realized easily.
vax, 9000
23 Apr
23 Apr
12:06 a.m.
9000 VAX wrote:
On 4/22/05, Tony Duell <ard at
p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Then maybie not ... The problem with FPGA's is pin out. I guess 25% of
pins on large fpga are need
for power and ground. I hope you can manage to have ample pins on a
resonable packaged chip
since more I see of big iron I see lots of I/O connections from the cpu
to other logic.
I can;t rememebr if I ever ran the 11/730 PALs
through this. I was
certainly going to, but I may have been waiting for schematics to get the
signal names.
Then the dream of re-creating an 11/730 on an FPGA chip can be realized easily.
vax, 9000
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