16 Jul
2016
16 Jul
'16
8:34 p.m.
Actually found a pretty nice hp machine with a bunch of peripherals.
Thankfully it came with the keyboard. Also a external hard drive and
floppy, as well as a tiny printer.
HP 362 "controller"
Hp thinkjet 2225A printer
Hp 9153B - HD and floppy
Also a IBM wheelwriter 3 with the parallel interface, as well as what im
assuming is a s100 backplane.
Pretty interesting. I have a couple of other Hp devices, a logic analizer,
pattern generator, and volt meter, it will be interesting to see if i can
get them talking with the computer. Computer works. boots into basic.
Pretty complete setup for something at the scrapyard.
https://www.slashflash.info/~devin/images/scrapyard_lot/
--Devin
16 Jul
16 Jul
9:39 p.m.
On 2016-Jul-16, at 8:34 PM, devin davison wrote:
as well as what im
assuming is a s100 backplane.
Looks earlier than S100. I don't think I've ever seen a wirewrapped S100
backplane, they were pretty much all PCB.
S100 is also a bus while this is varied wiring.
I think it's more interesting.
The edge connectors have a part number CDCxxxxx....
May well be from CDC.
Assembly part numbers are of the form x-xxxx-xxx, somebody might confirm whether or not
that's consistent with CDC numbering.
11:06 p.m.
well come to think of it, i was at a HAM convention and i bought a bunch of
wire wrap boards that were supposedly from CDC system. wire wrap boards
with a card edge connector. I will have to see if they fit together.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
On 2016-Jul-16, at 8:34 PM, devin davison wrote:
as well as what im
assuming is a s100 backplane.
Looks earlier than S100. I don't think I've ever seen a wirewrapped S100
backplane, they were pretty much all PCB.
S100 is also a bus while this is varied wiring.
I think it's more interesting.
The edge connectors have a part number CDCxxxxx....
May well be from CDC.
Assembly part numbers are of the form x-xxxx-xxx, somebody might confirm
whether or not that's consistent with CDC numbering.
17 Jul
17 Jul
12:19 a.m.
You got yourself the first consumer inkjet printer ever, from 1984:
https://youtu.be/UiHNymmxKWs
Original "A" version with HP-IB interface, useless for regular PCs of course.
Complete with the "SomethingJet" marketing name that has been with us since
then. The key innovation of that printer was the disposable cartridge with the
micro-machined nozzles, which they had a horrendous time manufacturing at first. And for
some incomprehensible reason, you can still order brand new cartridges from... Staples!
Just put a new one in and you should be good to go.
Marc
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:34 PM, devin davison
<lyokoboy0 at gmail.com> wrote:
Actually found a pretty nice hp machine with a bunch of peripherals.
Thankfully it came with the keyboard. Also a external hard drive and
floppy, as well as a tiny printer.
HP 362 "controller"
Hp thinkjet 2225A printer
Hp 9153B - HD and floppy
Also a IBM wheelwriter 3 with the parallel interface, as well as what im
assuming is a s100 backplane.
Pretty interesting. I have a couple of other Hp devices, a logic analizer,
pattern generator, and volt meter, it will be interesting to see if i can
get them talking with the computer. Computer works. boots into basic.
Pretty complete setup for something at the scrapyard.
https://www.slashflash.info/~devin/images/scrapyard_lot/
--Devin
7:03 a.m.
Original "A" version with HP-IB interface,
useless for regular
PCs of course. Complete with the "SomethingJet" marketing
It's mildly easier to use with a normal PC than the -B model (HPIL,
battery powered). Interestingly the -A version has an HPIB-HPIL
interface feeding HPIL to the main board (the interface is a
modified (different firmware) version of the HP82169 IIRC.
Interesting #2, the custom HP controller chip in these printers
has a built-in ROM with the control firmware, but external
font ROM and RAM. These communicate over what is essentially
the Saturn bus, as found in the HP71, etc.
name that has been with us since then. The key
innovation of
I read somewhere that the official reason for 'THINKJET' was
'THermal INKJET'. I suspect that is very much a backronym. It
is a thermal inkjet printer, the cartridge has little heating elements
that boil the ink and cause a drop to be squirted out.
that printer was the disposable cartridge with the
micro-
machined nozzles, which they had a horrendous time
manufacturing at first. And for some incomprehensible reason,
you can still order brand new cartridges from... Staples! Just put
a new one in and you should be good to go.
A couple of words of warning about those cartridges. Firstly
the ink, at least in older ones, is ethylene glycol based. It's toxic
and attractive in taste to some animals. Keep those catridges
away from cats, dogs, etc.
The ink is also corrosive. It can corrode the metal faceplate
on the cartridge, then drip onto the flexible PCB that connects
the cartridge to the rest of the printer and corrode that too.
If you ever have a Thinkjet with missing dots, that's what has
happend (at least 99% of the time). The only source for
replacement PCBs now is other Thinkjets. So don't leave the
cartridge in the printer if you are not using it.
Incidentally, if the 9153 is the drive unit I think it is, it has a
very odd HP-interface hard disk in it. There is one ribbon
cable (40 wires I think) carrying power, control signals and
raw data. I seem to remember the head positioner is a
stepper motor, but it does micro-stepping as part of the
design.
-tony
9:21 a.m.
Very good information to know about the printer, thanks. I am assuming
that the new cartridges I get from staples should not have the toxic ink?
Will it still be corrosive?
There was a second printer over there, missing the plastic cover and
scratched up. I think i will pick it up too for parts.
As far as the disk drive goes, if it is a proprietary hard drive in there,
that is a bummer. it spins up but does not sound too good. The drive in
the compuer itself does not sound too good either, but it is still working
and is scsi, which i have a stockpile of over here, so that is not an
issue.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:03 AM, tony duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
Original
"A" version with HP-IB interface, useless for regular
PCs of course. Complete with the "SomethingJet" marketing
It's mildly easier to use with a normal PC than the -B model (HPIL,
battery powered). Interestingly the -A version has an HPIB-HPIL
interface feeding HPIL to the main board (the interface is a
modified (different firmware) version of the HP82169 IIRC.
Interesting #2, the custom HP controller chip in these printers
has a built-in ROM with the control firmware, but external
font ROM and RAM. These communicate over what is essentially
the Saturn bus, as found in the HP71, etc.
name that has been with us since then. The key
innovation of
I read somewhere that the official reason for 'THINKJET' was
'THermal INKJET'. I suspect that is very much a backronym. It
is a thermal inkjet printer, the cartridge has little heating elements
that boil the ink and cause a drop to be squirted out.
that printer was the disposable cartridge with
the micro-
machined nozzles, which they had a horrendous time
manufacturing at first. And for some incomprehensible reason,
you can still order brand new cartridges from... Staples! Just put
a new one in and you should be good to go.
A couple of words of warning about those cartridges. Firstly
the ink, at least in older ones, is ethylene glycol based. It's toxic
and attractive in taste to some animals. Keep those catridges
away from cats, dogs, etc.
The ink is also corrosive. It can corrode the metal faceplate
on the cartridge, then drip onto the flexible PCB that connects
the cartridge to the rest of the printer and corrode that too.
If you ever have a Thinkjet with missing dots, that's what has
happend (at least 99% of the time). The only source for
replacement PCBs now is other Thinkjets. So don't leave the
cartridge in the printer if you are not using it.
Incidentally, if the 9153 is the drive unit I think it is, it has a
very odd HP-interface hard disk in it. There is one ribbon
cable (40 wires I think) carrying power, control signals and
raw data. I seem to remember the head positioner is a
stepper motor, but it does micro-stepping as part of the
design.
-tony
9:43 a.m.
On 7/17/16 9:21 AM, devin davison wrote:
As far as the disk drive goes, if it is a proprietary
hard drive in there,
that is a bummer.
They are conventional drives. The 360 or 380 are nice machines that will also run HP/UX
and come in handy for recovery of HPIB disk drives. I used a 380 to read all of the HPIB
disks that came from HP when they donated what was left of the Apollo and 9000 support
lab to CHM.
9:45 a.m.
Memory sticks don't appear to be normal, though.
I never bothered to dig into what's different about them, since
they were available cheaply on eBay when i was working on the data
recovery project.
On 7/17/16 9:43 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 7/17/16 9:21 AM, devin davison wrote:
As far as the disk drive goes, if it is a
proprietary hard drive in there,
that is a bummer.
They are conventional drives. The 360 or 380 are nice machines that will also run HP/UX
and come in handy for recovery of HPIB disk drives. I used a 380 to read all of the HPIB
disks that came from HP when they donated what was left of the Apollo and 9000 support
lab to CHM.
9:47 a.m.
Yeah i saw that it was capable or running HP/UX and wanted to take a look
at that. Sadly it did not come with a NIC, that would have been pretty
useful for getting data into and out of the machine over the network,
instead ill be limited to floppys.
The basic os that came installed on it looks pretty interesting too,
although i need to read up on it some. I'm going to image the drive so in
the event it goes bad or i need to set things back to how i got the machine
i can do so.
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
Memory sticks don't appear to be normal, though.
I never bothered to dig into what's different about them, since
they were available cheaply on eBay when i was working on the data
recovery project.
On 7/17/16 9:43 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
also run
HP/UX
On 7/17/16 9:21 AM, devin davison wrote:
> As far as the disk drive goes, if it is a proprietary hard drive in
there,
that is a
bummer.
They are conventional drives. The 360 or 380 are nice machines that will and come in handy for recovery of HPIB disk
drives. I used a 380 to read
all of the HPIB
disks that came from HP when they donated what
was left of the Apollo
and 9000 support
lab to CHM.
9:53 a.m.
It's "Rocky Mountain BASIC" V6.2, which you used to be able to get as floppy
images
from the Australian HP Museum. I think the standalone
Pascal system still ran on these
as well.
On 7/17/16 9:47 AM, devin davison wrote:
The basic os that came installed on it looks pretty
interesting too,
although i need to read up on it some. I'm going to image the drive so in
the event it goes bad or i need to set things back to how i got the machine
i can do so.
9:57 a.m.
which also ran on PCs on the 82324B Measurement Coprocessor
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=909
On 7/17/16 9:53 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
It's "Rocky Mountain BASIC" V6.2,
10:21 a.m.
As far as the
disk drive goes, if it is a proprietary hard drive in there,
that is a bummer.
They are conventional drives. The 360 or 380 are nice machines that will also run HP/UX
10:17 a.m.
Very good information to know about the printer,
thanks. I am assuming
that the new cartridges I get from staples should not have the toxic ink?
Will it still be corrosive?
My guess is that the ink formulation has not changed. I think other
things (maybe element power, timing, etc) would have to be changed
too.
Ethylene glycol is, of course, commonly found in car anti-freeze. The
printer ink is not rediculously toxic, but some animals find it tastes sweet,
they drink all they can find and it leads to kindney failure.
My view (as the owner of a good few Thinkjets, and the servant of a
cat) is that you don't leave the cartridges around when an animal
could find them, and you wipe up any leakages. Other than that there
is no real worry.
And since the damage caused by the corrosive ink is a right pain to
repair, I would assume all ink is corrosive and remove the cartridge
from a printer that you are not using.
-tony
10:29 a.m.
On 07/17/2016 10:17 AM, tony duell wrote:
Ethylene glycol is, of course, commonly found in car
anti-freeze.
The printer ink is not rediculously toxic, but some animals find it
tastes sweet, they drink all they can find and it leads to kindney
failure.
A couple of decades ago, there was a bit of a scandal with some imported
Italian wines, whose producers used EG as a sweetener.
--Chuck
9:55 a.m.
Original
"A" version with HP-IB interface, useless for regular
PCs of course.
Complete with the "SomethingJet" marketing
27 Jul
27 Jul
3:08 p.m.
New subject: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard
There were also variant models with
"Centronics" interface.
narrow and wide carriage.
College dumpstered at least a hundred of them.
Almost all working fine at the
time.
At one point, they fired a tenured faculty member for
dumpster diving.
I didn't get caught.
I have a WIDE CARRIAGE QuietJet Plus, with serial/parallel, to get rid of.
FREE if you come get it. (Near Berkeley, in El Cerrito)
Bunches of money if you want it to be packed well.
No (missing) [external] power supply (brick)
On the back, it has an opening labelled "PARALLEL" with a Blue-ribbon
("Centronics") connector recessed half an inch back, an opening labelled
"RS-232-C" and "HP-IB" with a DB25 (HP-IB is only on the 2227B model)
(NO idea and DOUBTFUL whether user convertible), and an opening with 4
male pins labelled "20Vac"
16 (DIP) switches inside, with label to partially identify them.
The label on the bottom says "2227A" and mentions 20Vac / 18 Watts.
No rear paper bales (those pieces of old shopping carts that guide the
paper to the printer)
Friction and adjustable tractor/pin-feed up to slightly over 15"
pin-to-pin
A little crud on top surfaces, but not the worst that I've seen.
Sides and bottom are clean.
Looks like it was in excellent shape before being stored [indoors] without
an overhead cover.
Plastic not yellowed.
Has a [presumably dead and fossilized] ink cartridge that does not seem to
have been leaking. Can those be refilled?
Same cartridge used in Kodak Diconix, and s'posedly still available at
Staples!
BLACK AND WHITE.
NO color nor colour!
22" x 8" x 4.5"
One of the most compact wide carriage printers that were made.
Windows 3.x drivers:
http://support.hp.com/id-en/drivers/selfservice/HP-Quietjet-Plus-Printer/25…
Supposedly drivers for Windoze through 10! and Mac:
http://fbdrivers.com/download-hp-quietjet-driver.html#Download_HP_Quietjet_…
"near letter quality" (19x32)
96 x 96 to 192 x 192 dpi.
Documentation "service" manual (NOT repair)
ftp://ps-2.kev009.com/incoming/jim/TSSPRT/acroread/tssfact/tfsprt/hp/tfshp0…
Specs:
http://www.retrocomputing.net/parts/hp/printers/QUIET/docs/TJQJQJPlusTechDa…
FREE if you come get it. (near Berkeley, in El Cerrito)
Bunches of money if you want it to be packed well.
OB_Standard_Disclaimer: Guaranteed not to work. In the event of our
quality control being shoddy, if it does turn out to be working, you may
bring it back (at your expense) for a refund of half your purchase price.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
3:16 p.m.
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Bunches of money if you want it to be packed well.
...
NO color nor colour!
...
OB_Standard_Disclaimer: Guaranteed not to work. In
the event of our
quality control being shoddy, if it does turn out to be working, you
may bring it back (at your expense) for a refund of half your
purchase price.
See, now, this sort of thing is a big part of why I like this list.
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Bunches of
money if you want it to be packed well.
[...]
See, now, this sort of thing is a big part of why I like this list.
8:24 p.m.
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Mouse wrote:
I just noticed this could be taken as being
sarcastic.
I'm not being sarcastic in the least. Humour - even humor - is a very
significant thing to me; it makes you people feel human, for lack of a
better word, makes me feel this is a community of people instead of a
soulless marketplace or some such horror.
Not that humour is the only thing that makes me feel that way. But
it's a substantial part of it.
Sarcasm can be risky on the net. No matter how absurd, there's always
somebody who will take it seriously.
But, I think that I know you well enough to be able to tell.
And, why would anybody want any of the stuff that I'm trying to offload?
It's all obsolete!
Is it too late to also set up an E-waste recycling even next to VCF?
31 Jul
31 Jul
6:42 p.m.
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On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
Is it too late to also set up an E-waste recycling even next to VCF?
Weird Stuff Warehouse is practically right around the corner...
.-)
--
-----
Erik Klein
www.vintage-computer.com - My personal collection
www.vcfed.org - The Vintage Computer Federation
www.vcfed.org/forum - The Vintage Computer Forums
marketplace.vintage-computer.com - The Vintage Computer and Gaming
Marketplace
9:33 p.m.
New subject: Why classiccmp is awesome [junk spots to visit]
On 7/31/2016 6:42 PM, Erik Klein wrote:
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin
at xenosoft.com> wrote:
Can someone in the know add to this thread, or somewhere what places are
still around. I assume the vultures will have been over Weird stuff by
the time I get there, but hope there are some bits of meat left on the
bone there.
I heard that Halted is closed? other places worth going to?
thanks
Jim
Is it too late to also set up an E-waste
recycling even next to VCF?
Weird Stuff Warehouse is practically right around the corner...
.-)
9:39 p.m.
New subject: Why classiccmp is awesome [junk spots to visit]
On 7/31/2016 9:33 PM, jim stephens wrote:
On 7/31/2016 6:42 PM, Erik Klein wrote:
Halted was open as of last Thursday.
Bob
--
Vintage computers and electronics
www.dvq.com
www.tekmuseum.com
www.decmuseum.org
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Fred Cisin
<cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
Can someone in the know add to this thread, or somewhere what places
are still around. I assume the vultures will have been over Weird
stuff by the time I get there, but hope there are some bits of meat
left on the bone there.
I heard that Halted is closed? other places worth going to?
thanks
Jim
Is it too late to also set up an E-waste
recycling even next to VCF?
Weird Stuff Warehouse is practically right around the corner...
.-)
1 Aug
1 Aug
8:03 a.m.
New subject: Why classiccmp is awesome [junk spots to visit]
On 7/31/16 9:39 PM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
Halted was open as of last Thursday.
They moved to a smaller store space. Unfortunately, that meant that things like their
good selection of edge connectors aren't out any more.
Excess Solutions in San Jose is good mostly for parts. They've got random bits of
hardware
and test equipment. At least as of Saturday, they were having a half off sale.
ACE Electronics and Anchor are still around for parts, too.
http://www.junktronix.com/svss/
but the list is dwindling
11:57 a.m.
New subject: Why classiccmp is awesome [junk spots to visit]
That's one thing, and California's inventory tax, and the
fact that almost no manufacturing is done here, and eBay
killing off walk-in sales, and recyclers with required
destruct, and on and on.. The "Foothill" flea-market is
a shadow of what it was in the past.
On 8/1/16 9:27 AM, ethan at 757.org wrote:
but the list
is dwindling
The rent is too high.
noon
New subject: Why classiccmp is awesome [junk spots to visit]
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016, Al Kossow wrote:
That's one thing, and California's inventory
tax, and the
fact that almost no manufacturing is done here, and eBay
killing off walk-in sales, and recyclers with required
destruct, and on and on.. The "Foothill" flea-market is
a shadow of what it was in the past.
On 8/1/16 9:27 AM, ethan at 757.org wrote:
>> but the list is dwindling
>
> The rent is too high.
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_Is_Too_Damn_High_Party
--
Eric Christopherson
12:35 p.m.
New subject: Why classiccmp is awesome [junk spots to visit]
That's one thing, and California's inventory
tax, and the fact that
almost no manufacturing is done here, and eBay killing off walk-in
sales, and recyclers with required destruct, and on and on.. The
"Foothill" flea-market is a shadow of what it was in the past.
Inventory tax? I am not sure I am familiar with that one.
-Ali
27 Jul
27 Jul
3:34 p.m.
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Bunches of
money if you want it to be packed well.
...
NO color nor colour!
...
> OB_Standard_Disclaimer: Guaranteed not to work. In the event of our
> quality control being shoddy, if it does turn out to be working, you
> may bring it back (at your expense) for a refund of half your
> purchase price. See, now, this sort of thing is a big part of why I
like this list.
Come visit with a vehicle, and we'll check what it takes to make your
springs sag.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
4:13 p.m.
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mean the leafs upside down :P
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
Bunches of money if you want it to be packed well.
...
> NO color nor colour!
...
> OB_Standard_Disclaimer: Guaranteed not to work. In the event of our
> quality control being shoddy, if it does turn out to be working, you
> may bring it back (at your expense) for a refund of half your
> purchase price.
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Mouse wrote:
See, now, this sort of thing is a big part of why
I like this list.
Come visit with a vehicle, and we'll check what it takes to make your
springs sag.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
8 p.m.
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> Come visit with a vehicle, and we'll check
what it takes to make your
> springs sag.
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Adrian Stoness wrote:
mean the leafs upside down :P
That takes quite a bit.
Many cars now, instead of leaf springs have coil springs, often in the
form of MacPherson struts and Chapman struts.
Fortunately, automotive springs rarely buckle like a model M keyboard
spring. THAT click would be very serious.
It used to be, in some places and times, that police and even "revenuers"
would watch for cars with the rear end riding low. That's the level of
"sag" that I was threatening.
I'm not going to get it together to take bulk quantities to VCF, but maybe
I can pull together a couple of boxes.
This printer
an Atlantic Research Corp Data Tek 9600 serial protocol lunchbox
and a few pounds of books
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
4:45 p.m.
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On 7/27/2016 4:34 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Mouse wrote:
PDP 8 or a uNova?
Bunches of money if you want it to be packed well.
...
NO color nor colour!
...
> OB_Standard_Disclaimer: Guaranteed not to work. In the event of our
> quality control being shoddy, if it does turn out to be working, you
> may bring it back (at your expense) for a refund of half your
> purchase price. See, now, this sort of thing is a big part of why
I like this list.
Come visit with a vehicle, and we'll check what it takes to make your
springs sag. --
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
Ben.
4:56 p.m.
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, ben wrote:
PDP 8 or a uNova?
no, sorry
just excessive PC stuff.
http://www.xenosoft.com/FPUIB
is about 3 years out of date, but will give you an idea of what kind of
stuff. Plus, I'm now ready to get rid of some books that I previously
wanted to hang on to.
4:26 p.m.
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+1
Fred's dissertation on time for MSDOS code in CP/M was a fantastic giggle.
Thanks,
Tom
On Wednesday, July 27, 2016, Mouse <mouse at rodents-montreal.org> wrote:
Bunches of
money if you want it to be packed well.
...
NO color nor colour!
...
OB_Standard_Disclaimer: Guaranteed not to work.
In the event of our
quality control being shoddy, if it does turn out to be working, you
may bring it back (at your expense) for a refund of half your
purchase price.
See, now, this sort of thing is a big part of why I like this list.
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, pdaguytom . wrote:
+1
Fred's dissertation on time for MSDOS code in CP/M was a fantastic giggle.
If you mean the bit about the Galactic Copyright laws, that was quoted
(without attribution) from "Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.
A very wise man (Dave, editor of Micro-Cornucopia) told me, "the secret of
great comedy is figuring out WHOSE material to steal". Any idea who he
stole that from?
5:44 p.m.
New subject: Why classiccmp is awesome [was Re: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard]
Yep, recognized it. Just shows to go you, very few new stories out there.
It's all about character development and CGI.
Tom
On Wednesday, July 27, 2016, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, pdaguytom . wrote:
+1
Fred's dissertation on time for MSDOS code in CP/M was a fantastic giggle.
If you mean the bit about the Galactic Copyright laws, that was quoted
(without attribution) from "Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.
A very wise man (Dave, editor of Micro-Cornucopia) told me, "the secret of
great comedy is figuring out WHOSE material to steal". Any idea who he
stole that from?
3:25 p.m.
New subject: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:
I have a WIDE CARRIAGE QuietJet Plus, with
serial/parallel, to get rid of.
FREE if you come get it. (Near Berkeley, in El Cerrito)
Bunches of money if you want it to be packed well.
. . .
Supposedly drivers for Windoze through 10! and Mac:
http://fbdrivers.com/download-hp-quietjet-driver.html#Download_HP_Quietjet_…
CORRECTION: I have no idea whether there is a difference between regular
and "plus", but that should be:
http://fbdrivers.com/download-hp-quietjet-plus-driver.html
OB_Standard_Disclaimer: Guaranteed not to work. In
the event of our quality
control being shoddy, if it does turn out to be working, you may bring it
back (at your expense) for a refund of half your purchase price.
8:53 p.m.
New subject: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard
I cannot download any drivers from there. Links download link opens a Panasonic driver
page, and if you navigate back to the HP QuietJet you get the same links again, nice
circuitous path. The Win3.1 driver link was good though.
Marc
From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Fred Cisin <cisin at
xenosoft.com>
Reply-To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 3:25 PM
To: "cctalk at classiccmp.org" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff
at the scrapyard
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Fred Cisin wrote:
I have a WIDE CARRIAGE QuietJet Plus, with serial/parallel, to get rid of.
FREE if you come get it. (Near Berkeley, in El Cerrito)
Bunches of money if you want it to be packed well.
. . .
Supposedly drivers for Windoze through 10! and Mac:
http://fbdrivers.com/download-hp-quietjet-driver.html#Download_HP_Quietjet_…
CORRECTION: I have no idea whether there is a difference between regular
and "plus", but that should be:
http://fbdrivers.com/download-hp-quietjet-plus-driver.html
OB_Standard_Disclaimer: Guaranteed not to work. In the event of our quality
control being shoddy, if it does turn out to be working, you may bring it
back (at your expense) for a refund of half your purchase price.
10:01 p.m.
New subject: QuietJet Plus (wide Carriage RS232/Centronics) (FPUIB) (Was: Found some stuff at the scrapyard
On Wed, 27 Jul 2016, Curious Marc wrote:
I cannot download any drivers from there. Links
download link opens a
Panasonic driver page, and if you navigate back to the HP QuietJet you
get the same links again, nice circuitous path. The Win3.1 driver link
was good though.
Supposedly drivers for Windoze through 10! and Mac:
http://fbdrivers.com/download-hp-quietjet-driver.html#Download_HP_Quietjet_…
and "plus", but that should be:
http://fbdrivers.com/download-hp-quietjet-plus-driver.html
It's not a site that I'm familiar with. Hence ny "supposrdly".
It's basically a slightly fancy ASCII inkjet printer. Not what I would
want to usr on Windoze, anyway.
I have heard the excuses. Any new version of any OS should include
cspability to use drivets from previous versions, even if doing so does
not give you the full smell-o-vision experience.
Bill Gates must be made into a millionaire. (loss of how many billions?)
17 Jul
17 Jul
6:03 p.m.
On Jul 17, 2016, at 11:03 PM, tony duell <ard at
p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
The ink is also corrosive. It can corrode the metal faceplate
on the cartridge, then drip onto the flexible PCB that connects
the cartridge to the rest of the printer and corrode that too.
If you ever have a Thinkjet with missing dots, that's what has
happend (at least 99% of the time).
I do! One of them with a missing row of dots,
and there was ink caked all over the contacts, and when I cleaned it, it seemed the
contacts had been eaten away. That explains it! Fortunately I have a spare one for spare
parts. Thanks Tony.
9:57 a.m.
> for some incomprehensible reason, you can still
order brand new cartridges from... Staples!
Another thanks for the tip; I've got an HP2225B (HP-IL, with RS-232 converter) which
presumably uses the same cartridge. Will have to check it out.
m
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curious Marc" <curiousmarc3 at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: Found some stuff at the scrapyard
You got yourself the first consumer inkjet printer ever, from 1984:
https://youtu.be/UiHNymmxKWs
Original "A" version with HP-IB interface, useless for regular PCs of course.
Complete with the "SomethingJet" marketing name that has been with us since
then. The key innovation of that printer was the disposable cartridge with the
micro-machined nozzles, which they had a horrendous time manufacturing at first. And for
some incomprehensible reason, you can still order brand new cartridges from... Staples!
Just put a new one in and you should be good to go.
Marc
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On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:34 PM, devin davison
<lyokoboy0 at gmail.com> wrote:
Actually found a pretty nice hp machine with a bunch of peripherals.
Thankfully it came with the keyboard. Also a external hard drive and
floppy, as well as a tiny printer.
HP 362 "controller"
Hp thinkjet 2225A printer
Hp 9153B - HD and floppy
Also a IBM wheelwriter 3 with the parallel interface, as well as what im
assuming is a s100 backplane.
Pretty interesting. I have a couple of other Hp devices, a logic analizer,
pattern generator, and volt meter, it will be interesting to see if i can
get them talking with the computer. Computer works. boots into basic.
Pretty complete setup for something at the scrapyard.
https://www.slashflash.info/~devin/images/scrapyard_lot/
--Devin
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