I have some of the pacs but I don't have an 85 and drives set up right now. NO ONE has the HP 85 User's Library. It's been destroyed. I spent a lot of time tracking down the HP-85 User's Library and found that it was given (sold?) to someone in Oregon that continued to sell programs for a while. They later moved to Montana and left the library behind in a rental unit. There's been no trace of it since so we can only assume that it was scrapped by the unit owners. We've covered that here a couple of times already. It's a long story, check the archives. I do have a User's Library Catalog but it's much to big and flimsy to copy. As you've probably already found out, the HP-85 drives are mostly in-operable by now. The tapes also have some serious failures with age. I've managed to fix a few drives and I been able to read SOME of the tapes. But I found that the tapes usually fail COMPLETELY after a few uses. (Again see the archives) For several years I tried to get people to send me whatever tapes they had so that I could copy them to disk and preserve the SW but no one cooperated so I've given up. Joe At 01:34 PM 5/30/03 -0400, you wrote: had a name of Clear Day Bkgrd.JPG]