15 Mar
2006
15 Mar
'06
1:10 p.m.
Ok, first, the "MS-DOS" that you want to use is "MS-DOS 7",
"extracted" from
Windows 98SE. This is easy, just find a 98SE system and format a bootable
floppy. The utilities are in C:\Windows\Command of the 98SE system.
[additional MS-DOS utilities are on the Windows 98SE CD]. This version of
MS-DOS ***WILL*** recognize FAT32 partitions. Also, there was an update to
FDISK in May of 2000, you want to get that, it's available from the
Microsoft web site. It will recognize drives up to 137 gigabytes.
There is no easy way to manually install, but you can boot from a DOS
bootable CD and run SYS from that. After you make the "MS-DOS 7" floppy
(above), use that floppy as an "image" in making a bootable CD.
That should get you where you want to go.
[Note, the full set of DOS utilities won't fit on a 1.44MB floppy, so be
sure to put them on the CD so that you have a place to copy them from.]
15 Mar
15 Mar
6:06 p.m.
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Barry Watzman wrote:
Ok, first, the "MS-DOS" that you want to use
is "MS-DOS 7", "extracted" from
Windows 98SE.
IIRC, the original info request did NOT say what he wanted to use it for.
MS-DOS 7.xx is nice, and would be the easiest to install, BUT it might not
necessarily be what he wants/needs.
For all that we know, maybe the DOS Command box of w2K might be all that
he needs!
I occasionally need to boot other versions of OS. A FAT32 partition can't
be easily accessed by ANYTHING prior to 98SE.
[Note, the full set of DOS utilities won't fit on
a 1.44MB floppy, so be
sure to put them on the CD so that you have a place to copy them from.]
If you strip out the parts that you don't need, (such as DONKEY.BAS?), you
can put the most needed items on one disk.
6:20 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
If you strip out the parts that you don't need,
(such as DONKEY.BAS?), you
can put the most needed items on one disk.
Hell, you can get most of the good stuff on a 360K disk if you try hard
enough. One of my favorite tricks is to use ARK (K. Heidenstrom), which
is a .COM archiver and execution stub, to stick all the .COM files I
need into a single .EXE, then compress the .EXE with pklite or lzexe or
similar. format.com, fdisk.com, and sys.com all go in there, as do a
4KB editor and other utils.
COMMAND.COM is the only .com that can *not* go in there for obvious reasons.
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6:42 p.m.
On 3/15/2006 at 5:20 PM Jim Leonard wrote:
Hell, you can get most of the good stuff on a 360K disk
if you try hard
enough. One of my favorite tricks is to use ARK (K. Heidenstrom), which
is a .COM archiver and execution stub, to stick all the .COM files I
need into a single .EXE, then compress the .EXE with pklite or lzexe or
similar. format.com, fdisk.com, and sys.com all go in there, as do a
4KB editor and other utils.
Many of the files can be easily compressed without archiving using LZEXE or
one of its relatives. When you put your mind to it, it's amazing what will
go on a single diskette.
Cheers,
Chuck
9:39 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Yes, but you gain more space by putting them all into a single archive
and compressing the entire thing; that way it's not constantly
restarting the dictionary for each file.
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Hell, you can
get most of the good stuff on a 360K disk if you try hard
enough. One of my favorite tricks is to use ARK (K. Heidenstrom), which
is a .COM archiver and execution stub, to stick all the .COM files I
need into a single .EXE, then compress the .EXE with pklite or lzexe or
similar. format.com, fdisk.com, and sys.com all go in there, as do a
4KB editor and other utils.
Many of the files can be easily compressed without archiving using LZEXE or 
10:17 p.m.
Hell, you can get most of the good stuff on a 360K
disk if you try hard
enough. One of my favorite tricks is to use ARK (K. Heidenstrom), which
is a .COM archiver and execution stub, to stick all the .COM files I
need into a single .EXE, then compress the .EXE with pklite or lzexe or
similar. format.com, fdisk.com, and sys.com all go in there, as do a
4KB editor and other utils.
Many of the files can be easily compressed without archiving using LZEXE or 
16 Mar
16 Mar
3:31 p.m.
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:42:10PM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote:
one of its relatives. When you put your mind to it,
it's amazing what will
go on a single diskette.
Well, taking into account that Linux with X can go into one:
http://modest-proposals.com/Hacklin.htm
or
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/floorzat/1diskxwin.htm
I hardly can be impressed by what a DOS floppy can carry :-)
Cheers,
?ngel
4:21 p.m.
On 3/16/2006 at 9:31 PM Angel Martin Alganza wrote:
Well, taking into account that Linux with X can go into
one:
http://modest-proposals.com/Hacklin.htm
or
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/floorzat/1diskxwin.htm
I hardly can be impressed by what a DOS floppy can carry :-)
Now, there's an interesting challenge--can one get Windows (probably 3.x)
to fit on a single floppy such that generic GUI functionality (640x480
video, PS/2 mouse, etc.) is preserved?
Or, for that matter, could OS/2 (any version) be likewise accommodated?
Cheers,
Chuck
4:49 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 01:21:59PM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Now, there's an interesting challenge--can one get
Windows (probably 3.x)
to fit on a single floppy such that generic GUI functionality (640x480
video, PS/2 mouse, etc.) is preserved?
Yes, at least one person could. He's a brazilian guy who made
"MiniWin", a one floppy with Windows 3.11 on it. I got an image of it
for testing purposes. He was planing to make additional floppies with
extra utilities and programs but I never heard from him again. I might
try to contact him again and see whether or not he did something else
about that.
Or, for that matter, could OS/2 (any version) be
likewise accommodated?
Well, how about QNX? They had an evaluation single 1.44MB floppy with
their operating system including the neutrino graphic environment. It
also had some software on in (browser, web server, editor, email
client, etc). Unfortubnately they took it out of their site some some
ago.
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5:09 p.m.
Angel Martin Alganza wrote:
Well, how about QNX? They had an evaluation single
1.44MB floppy with
their operating system including the neutrino graphic environment. It
also had some software on in (browser, web server, editor, email
client, etc). Unfortubnately they took it out of their site some some
ago.
Well, that's a shame. I have a copy of that diskette
right here on my desk, and the qnxdemo.zip is in a directory
on this hard drive (the .zip file includes the utility to
create the bootable QNX diskette).
If anyonme wants it drop me a note off-list and I'll
email it to you.
I played with it a lot once, and it includes a browser --
you can get dial-up 'Net access (assuming a serial modem device)
with a GUI and multitasking on a single "1.44MB" floppy diskette.
Glen
(former QNX developer)
5:15 p.m.
On 3/16/2006 at 10:49 PM Angel Martin Alganza wrote:
Well, how about QNX? They had an evaluation single
1.44MB floppy with
their operating system including the neutrino graphic environment. It
also had some software on in (browser, web server, editor, email
client, etc). Unfortubnately they took it out of their site some some
ago.
It's still wandering around the web in quite a few flavors, including with
some cracks. I think the site I found included a couple of versions (one
for modem, one for LAN) and some hints at adding apps to the menu, along
with some sample applications.
Cheers,
Chuck
6:19 p.m.
New subject: QNX ( was Re: manually installing MSDOS...)
Chuck Guzis wrote:
It's still wandering around the web in quite a few
flavors, including with
some cracks. I think the site I found included a couple of versions (one
for modem, one for LAN) and some hints at adding apps to the menu, along
with some sample applications.
It wouldn't be a shock to me to find out that the QNX folk
were salting the 'Net with it themselves . . . great publicity
for a great OS.
They had a sense of humor, too.
$tsk
diplayed a process list
$tsk tsk
displayed "Have I been a bad computer?"
Glen
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17 Mar
17 Mar
3:19 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 10:49:24PM +0100, Angel Martin Alganza wrote:
Well, how about QNX? They had an evaluation single
1.44MB floppy with
their operating system including the neutrino graphic environment. It
also had some software on in (browser, web server, editor, email
client, etc). Unfortubnately they took it out of their site some some
ago.
I have found this: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/, which seems to
include both QNX floppies, acording to the info on its contents table.
It says it includes: "QNX Demo Browser (network and modem version)" on
the "Network Tools" section.
Cheers,
?ngel
16 Mar
16 Mar
4:50 p.m.
On 3/16/2006 at 9:31 PM Angel Martin Alganza wrote:
I know there was version of QNX at one time that fit on a floppy...
It included the GUI and was a free download from their site.
Cheers,
Bryan
Well, taking into account that Linux with X can go
into one:
http://modest-proposals.com/Hacklin.htm
or
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/floorzat/1diskxwin.htm
I hardly can be impressed by what a DOS floppy can carry :-)
Now, there's an interesting challenge--can one get Windows (probably 3.x)
to fit on a single floppy such that generic GUI functionality (640x480
video, PS/2 mouse, etc.) is preserved?
Or, for that matter, could OS/2 (any version) be likewise accommodated?
5:04 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Now, there's an interesting challenge--can one get
Windows (probably 3.x)
to fit on a single floppy such that generic GUI functionality (640x480
video, PS/2 mouse, etc.) is preserved?
Well, at one time I had an original HP ScanJet, and
the software included a "run-time" version of Windows
(2.0? 3.0??) on a single 5 1/4" floppy (might have been
"1.2 MB", though).
Glen
0/0
6:46 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Now, there's an interesting challenge--can one get
Windows (probably 3.x)
to fit on a single floppy such that generic GUI functionality (640x480
video, PS/2 mouse, etc.) is preserved?
Of course, but you'd be "cheating" -- one way I can think of is to
format the diskette with doublespace/drivespace and store everything in
the compressed volume. DOS boots up, mounts the compressed volume, et
voila you have about 3MB+ to play with.
--
Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/
Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/
Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/
6:49 p.m.
Jim Leonard wrote:
Chuck Guzis wrote:
...just thought of another way to "cheat": format the larger tracks with
more sectors per track to gain more space, and patch the boot code
and/or BIOS to compensate. I never booted from such disks, but I have
definitely screwed around with capacity successfully (for example,
formatting a 360K disk to 410K, or a 1.4MB disk to 1.8MB, etc.).
--
Jim Leonard (trixter at oldskool.org) http://www.oldskool.org/
Help our electronic games project: http://www.mobygames.com/
Or check out some trippy MindCandy at http://www.mindcandydvd.com/
A child borne of the home computer wars: http://trixter.wordpress.com/
Now, there's an interesting challenge--can
one get Windows (probably 3.x)
to fit on a single floppy such that generic GUI functionality (640x480
video, PS/2 mouse, etc.) is preserved?
Of course, but you'd be "cheating" -- one way I can think of is to
format the diskette with doublespace/drivespace and store everything in
the compressed volume. DOS boots up, mounts the compressed volume, et
voila you have about 3MB+ to play with. 
17 Mar
17 Mar
12:32 a.m.
Angel Martin Alganza wrote:
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:42:10PM -0800, Chuck Guzis
wrote:
Oooh, and don't forget the infamous QNX Demo Floppy. OS, X, full
network drivers and stack, browser, and a game or two.
I've been trying to remember; was that Demo x86-only? ISTR there was
one for PCI Macs, too, but I can't find any mention of it.
Doc
one of its relatives. When you put your mind to
it, it's amazing what will
go on a single diskette.
Well, taking into account that Linux with X can go into one:
http://modest-proposals.com/Hacklin.htm
or
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/floorzat/1diskxwin.htm
I hardly can be impressed by what a DOS floppy can carry :-)
12:55 a.m.
On 3/16/2006 at 11:32 PM Doc Shipley wrote:
Oooh, and don't forget the infamous QNX Demo
Floppy. OS, X, full
network drivers and stack, browser, and a game or two.
A good site for the demo:
http://qnx.projektas.lt/qnxdemo/qnx_demo_disk.htm
http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/qnx/demodisk/
The Open QNX community:
http://www.openqnx.com/
But I'm not aware of a Mac QNX demo diskette.
Cheers,
Chuck
15 Mar
15 Mar
6:51 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
Ahh, that brings back memories of trying to get everything useful onto one disk!
cheers
Jules
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Barry Watzman wrote:
Ahhh, I only needed it for long enough to launch a Linux install from it via
loadlin on a machine that has no floppy drive and a cdrom drive that won't
read anything other than commercial CDs. All that I had to work with was a
running install of Win2k + running install of Debian on the hard disk (both
with network connectivity), so I wondered if there was a realistic way of
manually installing DOS on there without any way of booting from either floppy
or home-burned CD.
As it turns out, I've got it sorted by putting the hard disk in an old P90
Toshiba laptop which happened to have a floppy drive on it - I could boot the
floppy install disk set from there, then install everything over NFS before
putting the hard disk back into the 'target' laptop and setting up the things
specific to that machine (like video). Still wouldn't mind a bootable DOS
partition on there sometime though as it does occasionally come in useful...
It was a bit of a hassle, but all done now thankfully. (Note to self - source
a Thinkpad floppy drive from somewhere!)
Ok, first, the "MS-DOS" that you want
to use is "MS-DOS 7", "extracted" from
Windows 98SE.
IIRC, the original info request did NOT say what he wanted to use it for.
MS-DOS 7.xx is nice, and would be the easiest to install, BUT it might not
necessarily be what he wants/needs.
For all that we know, maybe the DOS Command box of w2K might be all that
he needs! [Note, the
full set of DOS utilities won't fit on a 1.44MB floppy, so be
sure to put them on the CD so that you have a place to copy them from.]
If you strip out the parts that you don't need, (such as DONKEY.BAS?), you
can put the most needed items on one disk.
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