[Before you read this...especially you Allison...the following isn't in response to your posting as much as it is my thoughts on the issue in general. I agree with you Allison. The Internet is a mess! I can spend an hour expounding on the economics behind why that is but it's not appropriate here.] I've replied now three times and each time sounds like a rant so I'll keep it simple. Not all of us ISPs are evil and unconcerned with the Internet. I run a good, solid business with a 95% customer retention rate calculated over 4 years. I don't do business with spammers or pornographers and have written my contracts so that I can immediately terminate any customer that violates Netiquette. I've been yelled at about that...that I'm over-reacting or being mean...but if I have to spend an hour wading through spam complaints (when I could be spending that hour writing a CGI script for someone at $75/hour) then I immediately go in the hole financially on that customer in terms of opportunity cost. Some of us who started in the early days of commercialization wanted the Internet to be like we were used to it being when we used it from college or businesses in the late 80s and early 90s. You can thank CompuServe, AOL, and hordes of know-nothing little ISPs with wads of cash to substitute for business sense for the current situation. To put this back on topic, I started my ISP with a 386 running Linux...cobbled from parts found in dumpsters and friends closets LITERALLY, a couple modems and $500 of capital. That business now accounts for the payrolls of half a dozen folks and many thousands of dollars a month of PROPER web-based (no spam) online commerce. Now that's retrocomputing AND economic growth. Anthony Clifton - Wirehead