8 Jun
2010
8 Jun
'10
12:59 a.m.
I'm helping a local school district with a technology exhibit. They
have a Dynalogic Hyperion, and are looking for the custom MS-DOS for it.
Anyone who might be able to help is encouraged to contact me off-list.
Thanks!
ok
bear
8 Jun
8 Jun
4:28 a.m.
I'm helping a local school district with a
technology exhibit. They
have a Dynalogic Hyperion, and are looking for the custom MS-DOS for it.
Anyone who might be able to help is encouraged to contact me off-list.
Thanks!
ok
bear
I have images of the system disks for the Bytec/Dynalogic Hyperion
posted to my site. I also have the Hyperion maintenance manual
posted as well.
Note: A very common problem with the Hyperion which affected both
of the units that I have is that there is a rubber "bumper" that
contacts the drive heads when they are unloaded - the rubber gets
old and sticky causing the heads to stick to it so that they no
longer load correctly. Most of the Hyperions I've looked at in
recent years suffer from this problem.
Dave
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7:18 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
I'm considering disassembling a Model M keyboard to see if I can repair
a key problem. Currently pressing either the "B" or the "V" keys give
a
two character string "BV", regardless of which key is pressed unless you
hold it for a several seconds, at which point the actual key pressed
starts repeating.
I've never been inside a Model M before... Is there anyone on list with
said experience that can offer pointers? or thoughts on the problem.
Keyboard is a complete unknown although everything else *seems* to work...
TIA!
steve shumaker
9:28 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
steve shumaker wrote:
I'm considering disassembling a Model M keyboard
to see if I can repair
a key problem. Currently pressing either the "B" or the "V" keys
give a
two character string "BV", regardless of which key is pressed unless you
hold it for a several seconds, at which point the actual key pressed
starts repeating.
I've never been inside a Model M before... Is there anyone on list with
said experience that can offer pointers? or thoughts on the problem.
Keyboard is a complete unknown although everything else *seems* to work...
What about a new one? I could help... Problem is shipping costs...
- Philipp
11:55 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
I'm considering disassembling a Model M keyboard to see if I can repair
a key problem. Currently pressing either the "B" or the "V" keys
give a
two character string "BV", regardless of which key is pressed unless you
hold it for a several seconds, at which point the actual key pressed
starts repeating.
I've never been inside a Model M before... Is there anyone on list with
said experience that can offer pointers? or thoughts on the problem.
Keyboard is a complete unknown although everything else *seems* to work...
Well, the case come off easily (but you need a set of imperial
nutdrivers), the enocoder PCB, etc, comes off as do the keycaps but the
key mechanism is heat-staked together. Assuming it's like the one I
repaieed some years ago (and which I have to strip down again sometime),
it goes like this :
----------------
My IBM PC/AT enhanced keyboard failed recently -- it would send random
characters, go in and out of shift mode, etc. When I dismantled it, I
found the problem was mechanical -- the plastic studs holding the
membrane 'sandwich' together were broken and the little flaps under some
of the keys were out of position. So I worked out how to fix it.
Remove the casing :
1) Unplug the keyboard cable at the back of the keyboard
2) Undo the 4 self-tapping screws (7/32" nutdriver)
3) Lift off the top half of the case
4) Lift the keyboard and encoder PCB from the lower case
Remove the encoder board :
1) Unplug the tapewire (4 way) between the LED PCB and the encoder and
both ends. Set it aside
2) Unplug the 2 keyboard tails from the encoder board
3) Remove the earth braid from the faston tab on the encoder board. Set
the encoder board aside.
4) Undo the nut and bolt holding the earth braid from the keyboard
backplate. Set those parts aside also.
Remove the keycaps. These just pull off, but note that most of the
keycaps are in 2 parts. Remove both parts together. Note how the wire
loops under some of the larger keycaps (and the space bar) are fitted.
Dismantle the membrane keyswitch sandwich :
1) Turn it over, so the metal backplate is uppermost. There are a number
of plastic studs that come through the backplate and and melted over to
hold the assembly together. Some of these are covered by a paper label,
which should now be removed.
2) Break off the plastic studs. In many cases, some of these will be
broken off anyway. The aim is to free the backplate entirely.
3) Lift off the metal backplate. If it is distorted (it should be a
smooth curve), straighten it
4) Lift off the keyboard layers. In order these are : Lower membrane
layer with conductive traces, separator (with holes), upper membrane
layer with conductive traces and the LED PCB and a rubber sheet. Keep
these carefully in order.
5) Remove the keyboard flaps and springs. Note which holes do not have a
flap.
6) Press out the guides that are fitted for some of the wider keycaps.
Modifying the upper keyboard panel :
1) Cut/file away the remains of the plastic studs from the keyboard
panel.
2) Mark the centre of each stud (apart from those at the very bottom
edge, which can be ignored) with a scriber.
3) Clamp the keyboard panel, upside down, to the bench. It can be
flattened out by the clamps to simplyfy drilling. Drill each of the
marked stud positions with a pilot hole of 1.5mm and enlarge them to 2mm.
4) Tap these holes at M2.5*0.45mm. This is best done from the top side of
the keyboard panel.
5) Screw an M2.5*10mm screw into each of the new holes. You'll need about
50 screws. At the far right edge there are 3 holes near the clips for the
loops on the '+' and 'enter' keys. The middle hole can't be used, and
it
is necessary to file down the heads of the screws in the other 2 holes to
allow the loops to fit properly.
6) Check the metal backplate can be fitted over the screws. Ease any
tight holes with a needle file.
Reassembly :
1) Support the keyboard panel upside down over a box. Ensure that all the
key posts are clear
2) Insert the flaps, leaving the holes you noted earlier empty.
3) Fit the rubber sheet and the 3 layers of keyboard membrane in the
right order over the screws
4) Fit the backplate over the screws
5) Fit a M2.5 washer and nut onto each of the screws. Tighten them
evenly, starting in the centre, and then the corners. Then tighten the
remaining nuts.
6) Reassemble the guides, keycaps, encoder board and case in the reverse
order.
The keyboard should now work. Mine does -- I typed this on it.
-----------------------
My guess is that you have a similar problem. Broken heatstakes and the
flaps for 'B' and 'V' have got dislodged.
-tony
1:09 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
thanks! will give it a try.
steve
Tony Duell wrote:
I'm
considering disassembling a Model M keyboard to see if I can repair
a key problem. Currently pressing either the "B" or the "V" keys
give a
two character string "BV", regardless of which key is pressed unless you
hold it for a several seconds, at which point the actual key pressed
starts repeating.
I've never been inside a Model M before... Is there anyone on list with
said experience that can offer pointers? or thoughts on the problem.
Keyboard is a complete unknown although everything else *seems* to work...
Well, the case come off easily (but you need a set of imperial
nutdrivers), the enocoder PCB, etc, comes off as do the keycaps but the
key mechanism is heat-staked together. Assuming it's like the one I
repaieed some years ago (and which I have to strip down again sometime),
it goes like this :
----------------
My IBM PC/AT enhanced keyboard failed recently -- it would send random
characters, go in and out of shift mode, etc. When I dismantled it, I
found the problem was mechanical -- the plastic studs holding the
membrane 'sandwich' together were broken and the little flaps under some
of the keys were out of position. So I worked out how to fix it.
Remove the casing :
1) Unplug the keyboard cable at the back of the keyboard
2) Undo the 4 self-tapping screws (7/32" nutdriver)
3) Lift off the top half of the case
4) Lift the keyboard and encoder PCB from the lower case
Remove the encoder board :
1) Unplug the tapewire (4 way) between the LED PCB and the encoder and
both ends. Set it aside
2) Unplug the 2 keyboard tails from the encoder board
3) Remove the earth braid from the faston tab on the encoder board. Set
the encoder board aside.
4) Undo the nut and bolt holding the earth braid from the keyboard
backplate. Set those parts aside also.
Remove the keycaps. These just pull off, but note that most of the
keycaps are in 2 parts. Remove both parts together. Note how the wire
loops under some of the larger keycaps (and the space bar) are fitted.
Dismantle the membrane keyswitch sandwich :
1) Turn it over, so the metal backplate is uppermost. There are a number
of plastic studs that come through the backplate and and melted over to
hold the assembly together. Some of these are covered by a paper label,
which should now be removed.
2) Break off the plastic studs. In many cases, some of these will be
broken off anyway. The aim is to free the backplate entirely.
3) Lift off the metal backplate. If it is distorted (it should be a
smooth curve), straighten it
4) Lift off the keyboard layers. In order these are : Lower membrane
layer with conductive traces, separator (with holes), upper membrane
layer with conductive traces and the LED PCB and a rubber sheet. Keep
these carefully in order.
5) Remove the keyboard flaps and springs. Note which holes do not have a
flap.
6) Press out the guides that are fitted for some of the wider keycaps.
Modifying the upper keyboard panel :
1) Cut/file away the remains of the plastic studs from the keyboard
panel.
2) Mark the centre of each stud (apart from those at the very bottom
edge, which can be ignored) with a scriber.
3) Clamp the keyboard panel, upside down, to the bench. It can be
flattened out by the clamps to simplyfy drilling. Drill each of the
marked stud positions with a pilot hole of 1.5mm and enlarge them to 2mm.
4) Tap these holes at M2.5*0.45mm. This is best done from the top side of
the keyboard panel.
5) Screw an M2.5*10mm screw into each of the new holes. You'll need about
50 screws. At the far right edge there are 3 holes near the clips for the
loops on the '+' and 'enter' keys. The middle hole can't be used, and
it
is necessary to file down the heads of the screws in the other 2 holes to
allow the loops to fit properly.
6) Check the metal backplate can be fitted over the screws. Ease any
tight holes with a needle file.
Reassembly :
1) Support the keyboard panel upside down over a box. Ensure that all the
key posts are clear
2) Insert the flaps, leaving the holes you noted earlier empty.
3) Fit the rubber sheet and the 3 layers of keyboard membrane in the
right order over the screws
4) Fit the backplate over the screws
5) Fit a M2.5 washer and nut onto each of the screws. Tighten them
evenly, starting in the centre, and then the corners. Then tighten the
remaining nuts.
6) Reassemble the guides, keycaps, encoder board and case in the reverse
order.
The keyboard should now work. Mine does -- I typed this on it.
-----------------------
My guess is that you have a similar problem. Broken heatstakes and the
flaps for 'B' and 'V' have got dislodged.
-tony
4:07 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, steve shumaker wrote:
I'm considering disassembling a Model M keyboard
to see if I can repair
a key problem. Currently pressing either the "B" or the "V" keys
give a
two character string "BV", regardless of which key is pressed unless you
hold it for a several seconds, at which point the actual key pressed
starts repeating.
I've never been inside a Model M before... Is there anyone on list with
said experience that can offer pointers? or thoughts on the problem.
Keyboard is a complete unknown although everything else *seems* to work...
two physically adjacent keys?
That sounds as though it could be as simple as some foreign matter. Or
domestic, it doesn't really matter where it came from. You would be
amazed at what is in keyboards - staples, marijuana seeds, Pepsi, etc.
Turn it over and on end, and shake it and rap it a good one.
If that doesn't help, do NOT remove the space bar! But you can pop the
other keytops off and clean out the top.
Thee are conflicting views on whether you should run the keytops, or the
whole machine, through the "dishwasher" (parts cleaner).
4:27 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Fred Cisin wrote:
Thee are conflicting views on whether you should run
the keytops, or the
whole machine, through the "dishwasher" (parts cleaner).
I don't recommend putting the whole thing in a dishwasher or anything
similar unless you're willing to take the WHOLE thing apart. If you do
that, you'll need to get some machine screws and nuts to hold the innards
together. See http://sandy55.fc2web.com/keyboard/repair_model_m.html for
what's involved.
--
David Griffith
dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu
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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
4:29 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
! hadn't thought of that. will let you know
steve
Fred Cisin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, steve shumaker wrote:
I'm considering disassembling a Model M
keyboard to see if I can repair
a key problem. Currently pressing either the "B" or the "V" keys
give a
two character string "BV", regardless of which key is pressed unless you
hold it for a several seconds, at which point the actual key pressed
starts repeating.
I've never been inside a Model M before... Is there anyone on list with
said experience that can offer pointers? or thoughts on the problem.
Keyboard is a complete unknown although everything else *seems* to work...
two physically adjacent keys?
That sounds as though it could be as simple as some foreign matter. Or
domestic, it doesn't really matter where it came from. You would be
amazed at what is in keyboards - staples, marijuana seeds, Pepsi, etc.
Turn it over and on end, and shake it and rap it a good one.
If that doesn't help, do NOT remove the space bar! But you can pop the
other keytops off and clean out the top.
Thee are conflicting views on whether you should run the keytops, or the
whole machine, through the "dishwasher" (parts cleaner).
6:15 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On 8 Jun 2010 at 16:07, Fred Cisin wrote:
two physically adjacent keys?
That sounds as though it could be as simple as some foreign matter.
Or domestic, it doesn't really matter where it came from. You would
be amazed at what is in keyboards - staples, marijuana seeds, Pepsi,
etc.
Turn it over and on end, and shake it and rap it a good one.
If that doesn't help, do NOT remove the space bar! But you can pop
the other keytops off and clean out the top.
What's that about not removing the space bar? I've done that on
several of the model Ms that I own. What's supposed to be the
problem (other than getting the equalizer wire put back right)?
But foreign matter is usually the problem. Today I ate an oatmeal
cookie over my model M and the return key stuck. Turning the
keyboard upside down and giving it a couple raps on the desktop
dropped the crud out.
If you really need to open it up, a 7/32" thinshell nutdriver or
socket--most are too thick to completely fit down the recess. Snap-
on, Sears and K-D carry them.
--Chuck
8:49 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
> Turn it over and on end, and shake it and rap it
a good one.
> If that doesn't help, do NOT remove the space bar! But you can pop
> the other keytops off and clean out the top.
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Chuck Guzis wrote:
What's that about not removing the space bar?
I've done that on
several of the model Ms that I own. What's supposed to be the
problem (other than getting the equalizer wire put back right)?
Almost anybody can pop the other keys off and back on. Getting them in
the right places is another issue. Is that how AZERTY and Dvorak were
discovered?
But, I was too lazy to write out the special procedures for dealing with
the space bar.
But foreign matter is usually the problem. Today I
ate an oatmeal
cookie over my model M and the return key stuck. Turning the
keyboard upside down and giving it a couple raps on the desktop
dropped the crud out.
Surely y'all are familiar with the "Pepsi Syndrome"?
Subject: OFF-TOPIC: Re: A Coke/Pepsi funny!
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, S wrote:
> Now I really do like Pepsi!!!
All of those tips work equally well with both (BTW, for a
rusted bolt, plan on soaking overnight, NOT a few minutes)
BUT, ...
I have always reassured my programming students that nothing that
they accidentally enter through the keyboard of their computers
would actually DAMAGE the computer. One wiseguy said,"I entered a Pepsi."
After "The China Syndrome", when Three Mile Island happened, Saturday
Night Live apeculated that it was caused by "The Pepsi Syndrome", the
result of spilling a Pepsi into a computer keyboard.
Shortly after that, the U.S.A. and USSR (CCCP) normalized diplomatic
relations enough to import vodka and export Pepsi to Russia.
That was followed almost immediately by Chernobyl.
Surely that could not be coincidence!
Until their recent bailout, Apple computers ride onto the rocks
was with a former Pepsi executive at the helm.
Coincidence?
Ever since we banned Pepsi from our computer lab,
we have not had any meltdowns!
-30-
10:21 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On 8 Jun 2010 at 20:49, Fred Cisin wrote:
Surely y'all are familiar with the "Pepsi
Syndrome"?
Unsweetened tea is about the only beverage that gets close to my
machine. It may short something out, but probably won't gum anything
up.
At CDC, the CEs would pitch a fit if they saw anyone sitting at the
6000 console with a cup of coffee of a soft drink. I seem to
remember that the keyswitch matrix was hand-wired (not a PCB)--at
least, that's what I think I saw when I spied a CE poking around
underneath with a popsicle stick trying to fix a bad key.
Although smoking was prohibited, they usually wouldn't say anything
as long as you had an ashtray on the console. Cigarette burns on the
equipment looked nasty.
--Chuck
11:59 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 8 Jun 2010 at 20:49, Fred Cisin wrote:
A couple weeks ago a friend's young daughter spilled a bowl of Cheerios and
milk into her 1-year-old MacBook. Big Crisis.
I ended up having to take the thing entirely apart for washing. I would have
hoped for a membrane or barrier to isolate spills within the keyboard and drain
liquid out to the perimeter and away from the electronics. Instead, there are
ventilation intake holes underneath some of the keys, so spilled liquids flow
right through into the guts and onto the processor board.
I was somewhat appalled at the design in this regard, although perhaps it is
typical of laptops in general these days, it was the first 'modern' one I have
dismantled.
Surely y'all are familiar with the
"Pepsi Syndrome"?
Unsweetened tea is about the only beverage that gets close to my
machine. It may short something out, but probably won't gum anything
up. 
9 Jun
9 Jun
1 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: Model M Keyboard problem
On 8 Jun 2010 at 20:49, Fred Cisin wrote:
That is a major issue with keyboards and laptops, sticky residue that keeps
things from working even if nothing shorted out at the initial spill.
For Model M keyboards (or keyboards in general that I plan on keeping and
using) the first thing I do with them is take the covers off and wash them
by hand. Remove the outside cable, and then wash the keyboard/circuit board
section with warm water and dish soap with "oxy" in it. They rinse it all
off with warm water to get the soap off and any junk out from under the
keys. let it all dry a day or so in the dry basement next to a glass block
window, they reassemble and it all works. Smell nice and all the crud is
gone.
I have a few laptops that partially worked when I got them but had major
issues because people spilled pop into them. generally I look for something
shorted or blown but most of the time it is just sticky stuff found in
crevices after taking them completely apart. A simple wash with soap and
water will fix the problem, plus they look and smell much better after (I
hate smokers machines).
Generally I do not eat or drink around my computers, I don't like food
particles in my keyboards (bad enough I have cats around with hairs that
need vacuumed). Doing that makes me take a break every so often to grab a
drink or snack and stretch my legs.
Surely y'all are familiar with the
"Pepsi Syndrome"?
Unsweetened tea is about the only beverage that gets close to my
machine. It may short something out, but probably won't gum anything
up.
5:15 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Rather than remove the plastic stakes and have to replace them with machine
screws and nuts, try the following:
1. To disassemble, take a drill bit that's larger than the "melted over"
end
of the stake and *slowly* drill into the end of each stake, using the dimple
in its centre to guide the bit. Stop drilling when you reach the metal. This
should allow the plate to lift off the stakes.
2. Before reassembly, try and obtain some very small "self tapping" screws,
such as those that hold together small electronic gizmos. Some have heads
with large flanges, like "built in" washers. If the heads aren't large
enough, you'll need washers too. If you can't find the right screws, go
ahead with the machine screw method.
3. Using a drill bit small enough to make the right size hole for the
screws, drill into the end of each stake, using the depression made
previously by the large bit as a centring guide.
4. Reassemble the keyboard parts over the stakes and fasten with the screws.
2:10 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Generally I do not eat or drink around my computers, I
don't like food
particles in my keyboards (bad enough I have cats around with hairs that
need vacuumed). Doing that makes me take a break every so often to grab a
This alas is not a problem for me any more. Poor Pentina passed away
yesterday. So I will no longer get fur in my keyboards and will no longer
had an orange xtrreak trying to trip me up when I'm carrying a CRT. I
really miss him already :-(
-tony
2:49 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that, man. My sympathies.
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Generally I do
not eat or drink around my computers, I don't like food
particles in my keyboards (bad enough I have cats around with hairs that
need vacuumed). Doing that makes me take a break every so often to grab a
This alas is not a problem for me any more. Poor Pentina passed away
yesterday. So I will no longer get fur in my keyboards and will no longer
had an orange xtrreak trying to trip me up when I'm carrying a CRT. I
really miss him already :-(
10 Jun
10 Jun
10:32 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
This alas is
not a problem for me any more. Poor Pentina passed away
yesterday. So I will no longer get fur in my keyboards and will no longer
had an orange xtrreak trying to trip me up when I'm carrying a CRT. I
really miss him already :-(
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that, man. My sympathies. 
10:47 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On 6/10/10 1:32 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
Thank you. He was a great companion to me as I was fixing classic computers.
Unforutnately, towards the end of last week he had difficulty swallowing.
We took him to a vet (as I mentioned some months back, a cat is about the
only thing I wouldn;'t try to repair myself), and he discovered he had
serious cancer in his mouth. He couldn't breate properly, and the vet
said there was nothing that could be done to help him.
:-(
R.I.P. Pentina.
This alas is not a problem for me any more. Poor
Pentina passed away
yesterday. So I will no longer get fur in my keyboards and will no longer
had an orange xtrreak trying to trip me up when I'm carrying a CRT. I
really miss him already :-(
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that, man. My sympathies. I am seriously considering giving a home ot another
cat sometime. Not to
replace Pentina, you can't replace a cat. But a different friend to sit
on my service manuals, shed hairs in my disk drives, try to trip me up,
and so on.
It's a good thing; kitties need good homes. It's true that Pentina
can never be replaced per se, but a different kitty can provide a
different kind of company while being given a much-needed home.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
11:16 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
I am seriously
considering giving a home ot another cat sometime. Not to
replace Pentina, you can't replace a cat. But a different friend to sit
on my service manuals, shed hairs in my disk drives, try to trip me up,
and so on.
It's a good thing; kitties need good homes. It's true that Pentina
can never be replaced per se, but a different kitty can provide a
different kind of company while being given a much-needed home. 
11:27 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Tony Duell wrote:
Indeed. A know another cat will have different
behaviour, but that
doesn;'t bother me. I love cats (no, not in any immoral sense, OK :-)).
And yes, I plan on giving a home to a 'rescue cat',. They need loving
homes
But can you get her/him computer trained? :)
-tony
11:05 a.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
On 10/06/10 18:32, Tony Duell wrote:
Unforutnately, towards the end of last week he had
difficulty swallowing.
We took him to a vet (as I mentioned some months back, a cat is about the
only thing I wouldn;'t try to repair myself), and he discovered he had
serious cancer in his mouth. He couldn't breate properly, and the vet
said there was nothing that could be done to help him.
:-(
It's hard losing any pet... speaking as someone who's had lost several
over the years...
I am seriously considering giving a home ot another
cat sometime. Not to
replace Pentina, you can't replace a cat. But a different friend to sit
on my service manuals, shed hairs in my disk drives, try to trip me up,
and so on.
I prefer the kind that are perfectly content to sit on your knee,
purring away. Though dogs have their own redeeming qualities... :)
We've got a chinchilla like that -- Millie. She hates coming out of the
cage, but once she's out, she's more than happy to cuddle up and go to
sleep. The other five (yes, *five*) are hyperactive, skittish.. and
generally won't sit still unless bribed to the point of excess.
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
11:21 a.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
On 10 Jun 2010 at 19:05, Philip Pemberton wrote:
It's hard losing any pet... speaking as someone
who's had lost several
over the years...
We've had cats or dogs pretty much continuosly over the years and
never one at a time. In my experience, the best remedy is to jump
right in again and make a home for a new visitor right away.
Two years ago, we lost three dogs in the space of a single year. If
we had not adopted new members of the pack during that time, enduring
the losses would have been much harder.
FWIW,
Chuck
11:23 a.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
Pets -- and not he Commodore flavour :-)
Oh IO am very much a 'cat' person. I don't think I would want any other
animal as a companion. The unpredictability of cats is their charm to me.
I want something that is going to sit on my schemaitcs, decide that the
spidle I dropped is an ideal toy to bat around the floor, leap onto my
workbench when I am handling tiny screws and so on.
-tony
I am seriously
considering giving a home ot another cat sometime. Not to
replace Pentina, you can't replace a cat. But a different friend to sit
on my service manuals, shed hairs in my disk drives, try to trip me up,
and so on.
I prefer the kind that are perfectly content to sit on your knee,
purring away. Though dogs have their own redeeming qualities... :) 
11:38 a.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
Tony,
That seems to be a common practice for IT people ;) (to have a cat or two),
I always have had (and still have 1 (and maybe soon 2) cats.
When I'm at my computer she comes meowing around and jumps on my
lap when I'm reading email, playing around with simh, looking at weird
Youtube vids (what a load of junk is there, but that's quite OT).
She first starts to moving around trying to find the 'best' sitting spot,
and when done the nails come out..... Ohhh the pain, the pain (as Dr. Smith
would say).
Anyway one can either like them or hate them. I just like cats.
Ed
Pets -- and not he Commodore flavour :-)
Oh IO am very much a 'cat' person. I don't think I would want any other
animal as a companion. The unpredictability of cats is their charm to me.
I want something that is going to sit on my schemaitcs, decide that the
spidle I dropped is an ideal toy to bat around the floor, leap onto my
workbench when I am handling tiny screws and so on.
-tony
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I am
seriously considering giving a home ot another cat sometime. Not
to
replace Pentina, you can't replace a cat. But
a different friend to
sit
on my service manuals, shed hairs in my disk
drives, try to trip me
up,
and so on.
I prefer the kind that are perfectly content to sit on your knee,
purring away. Though dogs have their own redeeming qualities... :)
12:20 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
On 10/06/10 19:38, E. Groenenberg wrote:
That seems to be a common practice for IT people ;)
(to have a cat or two),
I always have had (and still have 1 (and maybe soon 2) cats.
Wasn't there something on BBC News about cat owners being statistically
more likely to have a university degree than dog owners?
Ah, here we go: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8501042.stm
She first starts to moving around trying to find the
'best' sitting spot,
and when done the nails come out..... Ohhh the pain, the pain (as Dr. Smith
would say).
"Ohhhh, the humanity!"
:-)
Yeah, getting clawed by Ze Cat is one of the downsides. My aunt had a
really nice black (or really dark brown, not sure) long-haired cat
called "Momom" (where she got that name I don't know). It'd wait for you
to sit down, then meow at you until you lifted it onto the seat beside
you. Then it shuffled up and laid half-on your leg and started purring.
If you tried to move it off you or stand up? You got the claws...
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
12:37 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010, Philip Pemberton wrote:
On 10/06/10 19:38, E. Groenenberg wrote:
meow at you until you lifted it onto the seat beside you. Then it shuffled up
and laid half-on your leg and started purring. If you tried to move it off
you or stand up? You got the claws...
ITYM "Resting place retention devices."
HTH..
HAND!
:)
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12:44 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
On 10/06/10 19:38, E. Groenenberg wrote:
> That seems to be a common practice for IT people ;) (to have a cat or two),
> I always have had (and still have 1 (and maybe soon 2) cats.
I think the inquisitive nature of cats very much suits my personality
She first
starts to moving around trying to find the 'best' sitting spot,
and when done the nails come out..... Ohhh the pain, the pain (as Dr. Smith
would say).
"Ohhhh, the humanity!"
:-)
Yeah, getting clawed by Ze Cat is one of the downsides. My aunt had a really nice black (or really dark brown, not sure)
long-haired cat
called "Momom" (where she got that name I don't know). It'd wait for
you
to sit down, then meow at you until you lifted it onto the seat beside
you. Then it shuffled up and laid half-on your leg and started purring.
If you tried to move it off you or stand up? You got the claws...
That sounds entirely reasonable...
-tony
12:50 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
I find the more command far more useful in general than cat. The
pagination makes a big difference. And there's also this:
bart > cat food
cat: cannot open food
12:57 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Brian Lanning <brianlanning at gmail.com> wrote:
I find the more command far more
useful in general than cat. The
pagination makes a big difference. And there's also
this:
bart > cat food
cat: cannot open food
Yes, but less does more than more.
In terms of cat, you must be careful. Some versions of *nix take commands a bit to
literally. Be sure your termcap is properly set.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg280/RetroHacker/term_cat.jpg
-Ian
1:02 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
ROFL!
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1:03 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Mr Ian Primus <ian_primus at yahoo.com> wrote:
--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Brian Lanning <brianlanning at
gmail.com> wrote:
lol, an old terminal would be a great addition to a cat tree.
Would this make the cat a device? Then maybe you could:
echo $FOOD > /dev/cat
I find the more command far more
useful in general than cat. ?The
pagination makes a big difference. ?And there's also
this:
bart > cat food
cat: cannot open food
Yes, but less does more than more.
In terms of cat, you must be careful. Some versions of *nix take commands a bit to
literally. Be sure your termcap is properly set.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg280/RetroHacker/term_cat.jpg
1 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
I find the more command far more useful in general than cat. The
pagination makes a big difference. And there's also this:
That dpeneds on what you are doing. I have certainly used cat(1) to
catenate files to pipe into something else.
And of coruse on some of my otehr machines, CAT (or *CAT) a command to
prosduce a CATalouge of the files on a mass storage device.
Now for soemthing even more off-topic (if that's possible). Anyone else
remember the CAT and CATkin valves of the 1930s?
-tony
12:53 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Philip Pemberton
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:21 PM
To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
On 10/06/10 19:38, E. Groenenberg wrote:
It took a while for me to convince Perseus that while I was glad he was glad to see me,
the kneading was not the proper way to express it, especially since he would NOT let us
trim his claws. I lost him last year.
My daughter's cat also uses claws, when she thinks I should be paying attention to her
(which is usually whenever we're in the same room). She just swats at me with an
unsheathed set. -- Ian
That seems to be a common practice for IT people
;) (to have a cat or
two),
I always have had (and still have 1 (and maybe
soon 2) cats.
Wasn't there something on BBC News about cat owners being statistically
more likely to have a university degree than dog owners?
Ah, here we go: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8501042.stm
She first starts to moving around trying to find
the 'best' sitting
spot,
and when done the nails come out..... Ohhh the
pain, the pain (as Dr.
Smith
would say).
"Ohhhh, the humanity!"
:-)
Yeah, getting clawed by Ze Cat is one of the downsides. My aunt had a
really nice black (or really dark brown, not sure) long-haired cat
called "Momom" (where she got that name I don't know). It'd wait for
you
to sit down, then meow at you until you lifted it onto the seat beside
you. Then it shuffled up and laid half-on your leg and started purring.
If you tried to move it off you or stand up? You got the claws...
12:56 p.m.
New subject: Pets (was Re: Model M Keyboard problem)
Indeed!
I liked the phrase "It's really just a hunch though."
I guess most of us know better!
Ed
On 10/06/10 19:38, E. Groenenberg wrote:
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That seems to be a common practice for IT people
;) (to have a cat or
two),
I always have had (and still have 1 (and maybe soon 2) cats.
Wasn't there something on BBC News about cat owners being statistically
more likely to have a university degree than dog owners?
Ah, here we go: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8501042.stm
She first starts to moving around trying to find
the 'best' sitting
spot,
and when done the nails come out..... Ohhh the pain, the pain (as Dr.
Smith
would say).
"Ohhhh, the humanity!"
:-)
Yeah, getting clawed by Ze Cat is one of the downsides. My aunt had a
really nice black (or really dark brown, not sure) long-haired cat
called "Momom" (where she got that name I don't know). It'd wait for
you
to sit down, then meow at you until you lifted it onto the seat beside
you. Then it shuffled up and laid half-on your leg and started purring.
If you tried to move it off you or stand up? You got the claws...
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
12:11 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Tony Duell wrote:
Thank you. He was a great companion to me as I was fixing classic computers.
Unforutnately, towards the end of last week he had difficulty swallowing.
We took him to a vet (as I mentioned some months back, a cat is about the
only thing I wouldn;'t try to repair myself), and he discovered he had
serious cancer in his mouth. He couldn't breate properly, and the vet
said there was nothing that could be done to help him.
I am seriously considering giving a home ot another cat sometime. Not to
replace Pentina, you can't replace a cat. But a different friend to sit
on my service manuals, shed hairs in my disk drives, try to trip me up,
and so on.
-tony
I'm really sorry to hear that Tony. We lost our grand-dog just a few
weeks ago at age 8, and we do miss her terribly.
Regards,
Charlie C.
This alas is not a problem for me any more. Poor
Pentina passed away
yesterday. So I will no longer get fur in my keyboards and will no longer
had an orange xtrreak trying to trip me up when I'm carrying a CRT. I
really miss him already :-(
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that, man. My sympathies.
11 Jun
11 Jun
12:02 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
I'm really sorry to hear that Tony. We lost our
grand-dog just a few
weeks ago at age 8, and we do miss her terribly.
THank you. Pets really do become 'one of the family'. However, I am
pleased I gave Pentina 7 years of happiness.
-tony
9 Jun
9 Jun
3:29 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Generally I do
not eat or drink around my computers, I don't like food
particles in my keyboards (bad enough I have cats around with hairs that
need vacuumed). Doing that makes me take a break every so often to grab a
This alas is not a problem for me any more. Poor Pentina passed away
yesterday. So I will no longer get fur in my keyboards and will no longer
had an orange xtrreak trying to trip me up when I'm carrying a CRT. I
really miss him already :-(
10 Jun
10 Jun
10:45 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
This alas is
not a problem for me any more. Poor Pentina passed away
yesterday. So I will no longer get fur in my keyboards and will no longer
had an orange xtrreak trying to trip me up when I'm carrying a CRT. I
really miss him already :-(
I lost my cat of 18 years while I was in medical school. I know exactly
what you mean. My sincerest condolences :-( 
1:58 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Model M Keyboard problem
> Generally I do not eat or drink around my
computers, I don't like food
> particles in my keyboards (bad enough I have cats around with hairs that
> need vacuumed). Doing that makes me take a break every so often to grab
a
This alas is not a problem for me any more. Poor Pentina passed away
yesterday. So I will no longer get fur in my keyboards and will no longer
had an orange xtrreak trying to trip me up when I'm carrying a CRT. I
really miss him already :-(
-tony
:(
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
11 Jun
11 Jun
8:02 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Tony Duell wrote:
Sorry to hear that, Tony. We've got three cats here and two dogs, and it'd be
hard losing any of them (we did lose a dog last year, and a cat the year
before that). I'm typing this* while trying to balance a spaniel in my lap
(he's the only one of our critters who does the lap thing and he's a bit big
for the job, but at least he makes a good excuse for my typos).
* on a Model M, for obligatory on-topicness.
I'd suggest checking freecycle for a cat or kitten when the time comes - I
always figure that the ones at pet shelters at least have some sort of chance,
but the freecycle freebies are the ones in real danger of being abandoned.
cheers
Jules
Generally I do
not eat or drink around my computers, I don't like food
particles in my keyboards (bad enough I have cats around with hairs that
need vacuumed). Doing that makes me take a break every so often to grab a
This alas is not a problem for me any more. Poor Pentina passed away
yesterday. So I will no longer get fur in my keyboards and will no longer
had an orange xtrreak trying to trip me up when I'm carrying a CRT. I
really miss him already :-(
1:14 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Sorry to hear that, Tony. We've got three cats
here and two dogs, and it'd be
Thank you... It appears you collect pets like I collect HP destops...
hard losing any of them (we did lose a dog last year,
and a cat the year
before that). I'm typing this* while trying to balance a spaniel in my lap
Pentina never tried to sit on my lap. His trick was to dig his claws into
my leg when I was trying to assembly something complciated and delicate.
And I loved him for it.
I'd suggest checking freecycle for a cat or kitten
when the time comes - I
always figure that the ones at pet shelters at least have some sort of chance,
but the freecycle freebies are the ones in real danger of being abandoned.
Thansk, I didn;t realise that freecycle had pets listed on it. I will ook
there.
-tony
14 Jun
14 Jun
7:43 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Tony Duell wrote:
They're like little hairy computers with astounding I/O abilities ;-)
Spaniel-features is the only one of ours that does it, but he doesn't usually
last long - just enough to head butt me a few times, bash his chin on the
keyboard, and knock something off the desk.
Actually, maybe it's not universal, so check local policies. My local one is
full of kittens unfortunately :-( (well, good if you're in the market for a
kitten, but bad for a lot of the kittens, I suspect)
cheers
Jules
Sorry to hear
that, Tony. We've got three cats here and two dogs, and it'd be
Thank you... It appears you collect pets like I collect HP destops... hard losing
any of them (we did lose a dog last year, and a cat the year
before that). I'm typing this* while trying to balance a spaniel in my lap
Pentina never tried to sit on my lap. His trick was to dig his claws into
my leg when I was trying to assembly something complciated and delicate.
And I loved him for it. I'd
suggest checking freecycle for a cat or kitten when the time comes - I
always figure that the ones at pet shelters at least have some sort of chance,
but the freecycle freebies are the ones in real danger of being abandoned.
Thansk, I didn;t realise that freecycle had pets listed on it. I will ook
there.
7:48 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Jules Richardson wrote:
Actually, maybe it's not universal, so check local
policies. My local
one is full of kittens unfortunately :-( (well, good if you're in the
market for a kitten, but bad for a lot of the kittens, I suspect)
Well they grow into cats. Don't get picky if you can give a animal
a new home.
cheers
Jules
8:10 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On 6/14/10 10:48 AM, Ben wrote:
Yes, but...Every little girl in the world wants a kitten, leaving
perfectly wonderful grown cats left at adoption agencies.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Actually,
maybe it's not universal, so check local policies. My local
one is full of kittens unfortunately :-( (well, good if you're in the
market for a kitten, but bad for a lot of the kittens, I suspect)
Well they grow into cats. Don't get picky if you can give a animal
a new home. 
11:39 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 13:35, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
That would imply I had a job...
-tony
Take a job with the local shelter/humane society! Kill two b... er,
solve two problems at once!
(might not solve the "getting paid" problem though...)
--
Joachim Thiemann :: http://www.tsp.ece.mcgill.ca/~jthiem
True, but unfortunately, I can't possibly home all
the homeless and
unwanted cats and kittens myself :-(
Take them to work. :)
11:47 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Joachim Thiemann wrote:
Take a job with the local shelter/humane society! Kill two b... er,
solve two problems at once!
(might not solve the "getting paid" problem though...)
Unless you like the house brand of Cat Food... This week liver and tuna.
12:10 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 13:35, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> > True, but unfortunately, I can't possibly home all the homeless and
>> > unwanted cats and kittens myself :-(
>>
>> Take them to work. :)
>
> That would imply I had a job...
Take a job with the local shelter/humane society! Kill
two b... er,
solve two problems at once!
But then I wouldn't have to _take_ the cats to work, they'd already be
there...
(might not solve the "getting paid" problem though...)
Indeed. And for some odd reeaon, companies like Farnell, and E-bay
sellers seem to want money in exchange for their toys.
-tony
1:04 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Tony Duell wrote:
Well, you might find that a rescue shelter cat costs a small fortune, by the
way - the shelters here at least give any animals that are taken in all their
shots (and spay/neuter them), and then the bill for those gets passed on to
whoever adopts them. If anyone adopts them.
It must be a bit off-putting for prospective adopters, but at the same time I
can see that it makes sense for all their shots to be up to date and that they
can't contribute to the problem of yet more abandoned critters out there.
cheers
J.
(might not
solve the "getting paid" problem though...)
Indeed. And for some odd reeaon, companies like Farnell, and E-bay
sellers seem to want money in exchange for their toys.
1:08 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On 6/15/10 4:04 PM, Jules Richardson wrote:
Well, you might find that a rescue shelter cat costs a small fortune, by
the way - the shelters here at least give any animals that are taken in
all their shots (and spay/neuter them), and then the bill for those gets
passed on to whoever adopts them. If anyone adopts them.
It must be a bit off-putting for prospective adopters, but at the same
time I can see that it makes sense for all their shots to be up to date
and that they can't contribute to the problem of yet more abandoned
critters out there.
I have never, ever seen or heard of that happening at or in connection
with animal shelters of any kind, and I've had nothing but
shelter-adopted pets all my life.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
(might not solve the "getting paid" problem
though...)
Indeed. And for some odd reeaon, companies like Farnell, and E-bay
sellers seem to want money in exchange for their toys.
1:13 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
?I have never, ever seen or heard of that happening at
or in connection
with animal shelters of any kind, and I've had nothing but
shelter-adopted pets all my life.
I have. I'm in the chicago area. Although I seem to remember that
being how it was done when lived in california.
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
I used to live in florida. (My CS degree is from UCF) In florida,
if you want a new cat, all you have to do is put a bowl of cat food
out. In the morning, you'll have 5 cats, 2 possums, and a raccoon to
choose from. :-)
brian
2:14 p.m.
New subject: ot pets
Brian Lanning wrote:
I used to live in florida. (My CS degree is from UCF) In florida,
if you want a new cat, all you have to do is put a bowl of cat food
out. In the morning, you'll have 5 cats, 2 possums, and a raccoon to
choose from. :-)
Do possums make good pets? I know skunks and raccons do.
brian
3:14 p.m.
New subject: ot pets
On 15 Jun 2010 at 15:14, Ben wrote:
Do possums make good pets? I know skunks and raccons
do.
Maybe a skunk, but raccoons rarely make *good* pets, even where
they're legal:
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/raccoons/a/raccoons.htm
They look cute as heck in wild (we've got scads of them here and it's
fun watching them, particularly when they have young), but they can
be very vicious, have very sharp claws and teeth and can kill a large
dog if cornered. My screwball calico female cat, "Tehter", used to
take swipes at them if they wandered too close. One got ticked off
and took a small hunk out of her paw. She was lucky to have survived
more or less intact.
She also learned that it wasn't a good idea to stalk wild turkeys or
geese. After a couple of embarrassing run-ins with them, she
confined herself to mice and shrews.
Distemper and rabies make periodic inroads in the raccoon population
here. We used to have a lot of opossums, but I haven't seen one in
years--I think disease largely eradicated the local population.
There are those who abandon unwanted cats in the country. Few
realize that they're ill-equipped to survive long among other
predators.
--Chuck
4:56 p.m.
New subject: ot pets
Do possums make good pets?
If you get them very young. We raised a litter of possums nearly from
birth and they were surprisingly fun creatures. A couple did wild up,
though, but one of them is still at one of the local wildlife sanctuaries
where he is old, fat, sassy, and loves being fed and patted.
Possums' reputation for ferocity is actually largely undeserved. We've
dealt with many wild possums and they are pretty much inoffensive, even
though they put up a huge show and bare lots of teeth which they never
use. Admittedly I come from a veterinary family, so we're used to wild
animals.
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5:14 p.m.
New subject: ot pets
On 15 Jun 2010 at 16:56, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Possums' reputation for ferocity is actually
largely undeserved. We've
dealt with many wild possums and they are pretty much inoffensive,
even though they put up a huge show and bare lots of teeth which they
never use. Admittedly I come from a veterinary family, so we're used
to wild animals.
Until the local population imploded here a few years ago, we mostly
knew possums as springtime roadkill. We also used to see a fair
number of porcupines, but no more. About the same time, the raccoon
population dropped, but has since recovered.
--Chuck
6:23 p.m.
New subject: ot pets
Why did the chicken cross the road?
To prove to the possum it could be done.
2:36 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On 6/15/10 4:13 PM, Brian Lanning wrote:
Perhaps it's a regional thing. But either way, it's stuff that needs
to be done anyway, so either you pay them or you pay someone else.
That's a part of caring for the care of a pet.
Indeed. I went (unwillingly) from two cats to four this way in the
past two years.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
I have never,
ever seen or heard of that happening at or in connection
with animal shelters of any kind, and I've had nothing but
shelter-adopted pets all my life.
I have. I'm in the chicago area. Although I seem to remember that
being how it was done when lived in california. Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
I used to live in florida. (My CS degree is from UCF) In florida,
if you want a new cat, all you have to do is put a bowl of cat food
out. In the morning, you'll have 5 cats, 2 possums, and a raccoon to
choose from. :-)
2:07 p.m.
New subject: - ot pets
Jules Richardson wrote:
It must be a bit off-putting for prospective adopters,
but at the same
time I can see that it makes sense for all their shots to be up to date
and that they can't contribute to the problem of yet more abandoned
critters out there.
And a responsable pet owner, will have that done regardless
of now or already pre-done.
cheers
J.
Out here, Cats are no problem ... they just move right in from
some where.
3:12 p.m.
New subject: - ot pets
Ben wrote:
Jules Richardson wrote:
Yes, I agree... I just think that a lot of folk expect to rescue a free pet
It must be a bit off-putting for prospective
adopters, but at the same
time I can see that it makes sense for all their shots to be up to date
and that they can't contribute to the problem of yet more abandoned
critters out there.
And a responsable pet owner, will have that done regardless
of now or already pre-done. from a shelter and possibly get put off because of the
cost even though, like
you say, any responsible owner will have those costs
anyway.
Out here, Cats are no problem ... they just move right
in from
some where.
One of ours was a rescue from a wood pile out back - she's tiny, but has the
loudest meow of any cat I've heard :-) She'll come in first thing in the
morning and meow until either one of us or one of the other pets pays her some
attention.
cheers
Jules
16 Jun
16 Jun
1:42 p.m.
New subject: - ot pets
One of ours was a rescue from a wood pile out back -
she's tiny, but has the
loudest meow of any cat I've heard :-) She'll come in first thing in the
If I ever ended upo with 3 cats (not that I am planning to), one being a
ginger cat like Pentina, then I'd name the ginger one after the Greek
word for 'amber' [1],. the most talkative one of the remainder after that
paoperty [2] and give the third one the obvious other name from the set [3]
[1] Electron
[2] Muon (because he mews on and on and on)
[3] Tauon, of course.
Yes I do like giving cats strange names. Pentinawas named afte a strange
SLR camera, the shutter of which makes use of a bug in the design [4].
[4] The cat got the name because one rare version of the camera is
gold-plated, a similar colour to the ginger cat. As for the shutter
design, an explanation of the Werra, Pentina, Prestor shutter, etc is
_way_ off topic...
-tony
1:36 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Tony Duell wrote:
Well, you might find that a rescue shelter cat costs a small fortune, by the
I am well waare of the expense of habving a cat share my life -- and I
think it's well worth it :-)
Please note that the reason Pentina is no longer with us is that the vet
couldn't do anything, not that we were unable (or unwilling) to pay the
vet to save him.
(might
not solve the "getting paid" problem though...)
Indeed. And for some odd reeaon, companies like Farnell, and E-bay
sellers seem to want money in exchange for their toys. way - the shelters here at least give any animals that
are taken in all their
shots (and spay/neuter them), and then the bill for those gets passed on to
YEs, the ones round here do that too. If they didn't, I'd have it done
anyway, particularly the neutering. I feel that responsible owners should
do that.
-tony
14 Jun
14 Jun
12:34 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Tony Duell wrote:
They're like little hairy computers with astounding I/O abilities ;-)
They certainly have some amazing real-time data input systems....
It's a pity you can't dump the microcode out of a cat and disassemble it.
Sorry to
hear that, Tony. We've got three cats here and two dogs, and it'd be
Thank you... It appears you collect pets like I collect HP destops... Thansk, I
didn;t realise that freecycle had pets listed on it. I will ook
there.
Actually, maybe it's not universal, so check local policies. My local one is
full of kittens unfortunately :-( (well, good if you're in the market for a
kitten, but bad for a lot of the kittens, I suspect)
7:49 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Chuck Guzis wrote:
But foreign matter is usually the problem. Today I
ate an oatmeal
cookie over my model M and the return key stuck. Turning the
keyboard upside down and giving it a couple raps on the desktop
dropped the crud out.
It's bad design on IBM's part that they didn't come with foreign matter drain
holes at either end of the case :-)
My M is due another clean, I think - it's started to take on that "mottled
dark gray" appearance.
If you really need to open it up, a 7/32"
thinshell nutdriver or
socket--most are too thick to completely fit down the recess. Snap-
on, Sears and K-D carry them.
That's useful; I don't have any and had wondered where to get them. I'd
briefly wondered about buying a cheap 'regular' set and grinding them down as
necessary.
7:55 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Jules Richardson wrote:
Don't the later ones have that?
Peace... Sridhar
But foreign
matter is usually the problem. Today I ate an oatmeal
cookie over my model M and the return key stuck. Turning the keyboard
upside down and giving it a couple raps on the desktop dropped the
crud out.
It's bad design on IBM's part that they didn't come with foreign matter
drain holes at either end of the case :-)
11:01 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
On 14/06/10 15:55, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Jules Richardson wrote:
Most Thinkpads do.
"Arrgh, I spilled Coke on my laptop... AARGH MY TROUSER LEG IS SOAKED
AND I'VE GOT A MEETING WITH THE BOSS IN FIVE MINUTES!"
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
It's bad design on IBM's part that they
didn't come with foreign matter
drain holes at either end of the case :-)
Don't the later ones have that?
11:41 a.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Philip Pemberton wrote:
Most Thinkpads do.
Yeah, I knew that, but I think the post-1992 (1993?) Model Ms have it too.
Peace... Sridhar
It's bad design on IBM's part that they
didn't come with foreign matter
drain holes at either end of the case :-)
Don't the later ones have that?
12:36 p.m.
New subject: Model M Keyboard problem
Chuck Guzis wrote:
IIRC the BBC micro did...
But foreign matter is usually the problem. Today
I ate an oatmeal
cookie over my model M and the return key stuck. Turning the
keyboard upside down and giving it a couple raps on the desktop
dropped the crud out.
It's bad design on IBM's part that they didn't come with foreign matter drain
holes at either end of the case :-)
My M is due another clean, I think - it's started to take on that "mottled
dark gray" appearance.
I've found the nutdriver in my Xcellite System 99 kit fits with no problems.
Buyt once you've got the casing off, disassembling and even more reassembling
the sandwich is the hard part.
-tony
If you really need to open it up, a 7/32"
thinshell nutdriver or
socket--most are too thick to completely fit down the recess. Snap-
on, Sears and K-D carry them.
That's useful; I don't have any and had wondered where to get them. I'd
briefly wondered about buying a cheap 'regular' set and grinding them down as
necessary.
8 Jun
8 Jun
2:51 p.m.
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, r.stricklin wrote:
I'm helping a local school district with a
technology exhibit. They
have a Dynalogic Hyperion, and are looking for the custom MS-DOS for it.
Anyone who might be able to help is encouraged to contact me off-list.
Sorry, no copies.
I think that what you will want is the Dynalogic Hyperion MS-DOS 2.11.
(Hmmmmm. Did Dynalogic last past 1.25?)
I don't remember there being any major differences, other than MODE.COM
between Dynalogic and other "innovative clones".
Most other versions of MS-DOS should work, except, . . .
Find THEIR MODE.COM If you can find their MODE.COM, but not the right
MS-DOS ("Incorrect DOS Version"), then put a spare copy into DEBUG and
find and neuter
MOV AH, 30h
INT 21
CMP AX, 0B02h
Jx . . .
(The DOS version test is unnecessarily cautious)
also, find GWBASIC from a similar version of DOS (2.00, 2.11), . . .
For later MS-DOS machines, look for version 3.31
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