16 Mar
2001
16 Mar
'01
6:56 p.m.
I am trying to un-stuff a driver for the Stylewriter 1200 (the driver
itself is actually for the 1500 color unit) but Stuffit 1.5.1 cannot
handle the driver's .sit archive.
This is being attempted on an SE30 under 7.0.1 OS. Unfortunately, I am
not able to find anything on Aladdin that will update that 'early bird'.
Can anyone offer any suggestions as to how to solve my dilemna?
Thanks,
- don
17 Mar
17 Mar
9:55 a.m.
I am trying to un-stuff a driver for the Stylewriter
1200 (the driver
itself is actually for the 1500 color unit) but Stuffit 1.5.1 cannot
handle the driver's .sit archive.
Try a newer version... The current version is
6.0. Stuffit Expander
is free, but it's starting to become a rather large download. The
application itself is nearly 4MB. But of course you don't really NEED
the absolute latest version, so I would try to find a copy of 4.0 or
something close. It's a bit smaller IIRC, and it works with newer
versions. I remember running into some old 1.5 stuff a while back on
an older machine and for whatever reason they don't open newer stuff.
I don't keep track, so I'm not sure which version made the change.
Don't ask me where to find 4.0... I keep all my stuff on CD when
possible. I have almost every MacAddict CD since the first issue, so
all I need to do is find the right CD. There MIGHT be something on
Aladdin's site. Try digging around in ftp.aladdinsys.com and
www.aladdinsys.com.
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10:28 a.m.
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, John Rollins wrote:
The problem is that none of those available and more advanced versions
will run on 7.0.1 which is on the SE30. I harbor a hazy recollection
that there are practical limitations on how 'new' a system one can run
on that machine. Am I close?
- don
I am trying to
un-stuff a driver for the Stylewriter 1200 (the driver
itself is actually for the 1500 color unit) but Stuffit 1.5.1 cannot
handle the driver's .sit archive.
Try a newer version... The current version is
6.0. Stuffit Expander
is free, but it's starting to become a rather large download. The
application itself is nearly 4MB. But of course you don't really NEED
the absolute latest version, so I would try to find a copy of 4.0 or
something close. It's a bit smaller IIRC, and it works with newer
versions. I remember running into some old 1.5 stuff a while back on
an older machine and for whatever reason they don't open newer stuff.
I don't keep track, so I'm not sure which version made the change.
Don't ask me where to find 4.0... I keep all my stuff on CD when
possible. I have almost every MacAddict CD since the first issue, so
all I need to do is find the right CD. There MIGHT be something on
Aladdin's site. Try digging around in ftp.aladdinsys.com and
www.aladdinsys.com.
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3:15 p.m.
The problem is that none of those available and more
advanced versions
will run on 7.0.1 which is on the SE30. I harbor a hazy recollection
that there are practical limitations on how 'new' a system one can run
on that machine. Am I close?
An SE30? Those are nice machines. IIRC, you should be
able to run up
to 7.5.5 on them, and most other older machines. How much RAM do you
have? That's the major factor here. If you have enough RAM and hard
disk space, you can run 7.5. Just a little on the slow side :-) But
you should at least go for 7.1. That's the minimum I would run on
anything unless it needs 6.x or something else for some reason. Save
7.5.5 for faster 030's and 040's and old PPC's. I'm spoiled, I'm
running a 600MHz iMac with MacOS 9.1... Of course now I have to buy
USB adaptors for all my old serial port stuff...
OK, upgrade to 7.1 or 7.5 and get a newer version of Stuffit Expander!
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18 Mar
18 Mar
11:52 a.m.
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, John Rollins wrote:
>The problem is that none of those available and
more advanced versions
>will run on 7.0.1 which is on the SE30. I harbor a hazy recollection
>that there are practical limitations on how 'new' a system one can run
>on that machine. Am I close?
An SE30? Those are nice machines. IIRC, you should be
able to run up
to 7.5.5 on them, and most other older machines. How much RAM do you
have? That's the major factor here. If you have enough RAM and hard
It has 5,120k and Ramdoubler for a total memory of 10,240k. I surmise
that Ramdoubler is some kind of a disk cache thing. Probably, I should
look into putting more memory into it. The HD is small - 30mb - but I
already have plans to increase that by x30.
disk space, you can run 7.5. Just a little on the slow
side :-) But
you should at least go for 7.1. That's the minimum I would run on
anything unless it needs 6.x or something else for some reason. Save
7.5.5 for faster 030's and 040's and old PPC's. I'm spoiled, I'm
running a 600MHz iMac with MacOS 9.1... Of course now I have to buy
USB adaptors for all my old serial port stuff...
OK, upgrade to 7.1 or 7.5 and get a newer version of Stuffit Expander!
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Sounds like the way to go. Thanks!
- don
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8:16 a.m.
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:52:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Mac SE30
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, John Rollins wrote:
snip
It has 5,120k and Ramdoubler for a total memory of
10,240k. I surmise
that Ramdoubler is some kind of a disk cache thing. Probably, I should
look into putting more memory into it. The HD is small - 30mb - but I
already have plans to increase that by x30.
Sounds like you have 4 x 256K and 4 x 1M simms installed for 5MB.
Still too small and that ramdoubler is last thing you want on that
sleepy 16MHz mac since that program takes some of processing time
pie, get it off and swap the 256K for 1M to get 8MB total.
Remove the hd doubler driver it if it has one, ram/cpu eater. Any 30
pin simms parity or nonparity and speeds will work since this thing
use slow, slow 120ns speed (!!). SE/30 is 32bit dirty, needs a
driver to overcome this. Max is 32MB using 16MB sticks. More ram
is better on any Macs.
This little HD needs to go and put in at least 200MB to 500MB,
faster the better to "overwhelm" that sluggard 16 MHz cpu. Fix the
HD SC 7.3.5 to let you format any non-apple scsi HDs. So far I have
done 2 successfully and plans to do more later on. Apple always
skimps on scsi HDs using low end types. Read: Slow. I was lucky to
find a 230MB Quantum LPS, it is 4500rpm w/ 256K buffer w/ apple
rom on it. I know because I had IDE version of this type,
blazing fast. :-) But I need much bigger than this. I have few
2.1GB (two 7,200rpm and one honking big 5.25" FH 5400rpm) and one
3.2 GB to play with.
Oh yeah, I recommand getting external HD box to keep your stuff
offline for installing stuff or transferring data between two macs.
I found this best way without resorting to using drivers especially
with removeables. This happens because most used removeable boxens
often didn't come with drivers. I'm looking for mac driver for my
APS 230MB MO. When bought new they did have own drivers included.
Lusers didn't save them to disks! :-P
Mine is LC III (68030 25 MHz) and C 610 (68LC040 20 MHz) running 7.5
so I have pretty good idea of what performance is like. Oh yes,
friend's LC (dead slow) and LC 630 CD DOS compatiable both running
7.x The fastest mac went to LC 630 due to speedy 540MB IDE (!!) and
cpu in it 66 MHz.
But 7.5.5 is highly recommanded, when SE/30 came out w/ original OS
it had 6.0.3.
The best parts about this SE/30, it already has FPU (68882),
seperate VRAM for video and superdrive 1.44MB. In all, this gives
this compact mac highest performace machine for it's time. Oh, 30MB
is not stock size. Should had 40 or 80MB when new. Don't forget to
check that 3.6V lithium N size battery behind little door. :-O
Sounds like the way to go. Thanks!
- don
Cheers,
Wizard
1:59 p.m.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
Thanks, I'll see what I can get together.
- don
Date:
Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:52:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Don Maslin <donm(a)cts.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Mac SE30
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, John Rollins wrote:
snip
It has 5,120k and Ramdoubler for a total memory
of 10,240k. I surmise
that Ramdoubler is some kind of a disk cache thing. Probably, I should
look into putting more memory into it. The HD is small - 30mb - but I
already have plans to increase that by x30.
Sounds like you have 4 x 256K and 4 x 1M simms installed for 5MB.
Still too small and that ramdoubler is last thing you want on that
sleepy 16MHz mac since that program takes some of processing time
pie, get it off and swap the 256K for 1M to get 8MB total.
Remove the hd doubler driver it if it has one, ram/cpu eater. Any 30
pin simms parity or nonparity and speeds will work since this thing
use slow, slow 120ns speed (!!). SE/30 is 32bit dirty, needs a
driver to overcome this. Max is 32MB using 16MB sticks. More ram
is better on any Macs.
This little HD needs to go and put in at least 200MB to 500MB,
faster the better to "overwhelm" that sluggard 16 MHz cpu. Fix the
HD SC 7.3.5 to let you format any non-apple scsi HDs. So far I have
done 2 successfully and plans to do more later on. Apple always
skimps on scsi HDs using low end types. Read: Slow. I was lucky to
find a 230MB Quantum LPS, it is 4500rpm w/ 256K buffer w/ apple
rom on it. I know because I had IDE version of this type,
blazing fast. :-) But I need much bigger than this. I have few
2.1GB (two 7,200rpm and one honking big 5.25" FH 5400rpm) and one
3.2 GB to play with.
Oh yeah, I recommand getting external HD box to keep your stuff
offline for installing stuff or transferring data between two macs.
I found this best way without resorting to using drivers especially
with removeables. This happens because most used removeable boxens
often didn't come with drivers. I'm looking for mac driver for my
APS 230MB MO. When bought new they did have own drivers included.
Lusers didn't save them to disks! :-P
Mine is LC III (68030 25 MHz) and C 610 (68LC040 20 MHz) running 7.5
so I have pretty good idea of what performance is like. Oh yes,
friend's LC (dead slow) and LC 630 CD DOS compatiable both running
7.x The fastest mac went to LC 630 due to speedy 540MB IDE (!!) and
cpu in it 66 MHz.
But 7.5.5 is highly recommanded, when SE/30 came out w/ original OS
it had 6.0.3.
The best parts about this SE/30, it already has FPU (68882),
seperate VRAM for video and superdrive 1.44MB. In all, this gives
this compact mac highest performace machine for it's time. Oh, 30MB
is not stock size. Should had 40 or 80MB when new. Don't forget to
check that 3.6V lithium N size battery behind little door. :-O
Sounds like the way to go. Thanks!
- don
Cheers,
Wizard
1:59 p.m.
often didn't come with drivers. I'm looking
for mac driver for my
APS 230MB MO. When bought new they did have own drivers included.
Lusers didn't save them to disks! :-P
Since you've hacked a version of HD SC 7.3.5 have you tried
formatting the MO with it? On the MO I have here I can use FWB
HDToolBox to format it vice using the Pinnacle software and it
appears to use the standard FWB hard disk driver. The problem I was
having with the Pinnacle wasn't software, it was the cable. Swapped
it out for a better one and it's working fine.
Jeff
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11:28 a.m.
New subject: somewhat OT APS 230 MO driver wanted.
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:59:40 -0500
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Mac SE30
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Yes, the difference is that yours FWB tools did have driver for MO
support and everything else which is why this works for you. I tried
my hacked HD SC on it. Nothing caught it's attention when probed,
apprently needs driver to use MO or anything else.
Needs driver or stuff you have or anybody, send one via email
attachment. My account can handle appox 4MB.
Since the maker of the APS 230 MO did have driver included when sold
new if anyone happen to have a copy of this?
Cheers,
Wizard
19 Mar
19 Mar
7:25 a.m.
So, what's the error message you get when you open this .sit archive
in version 1.5?
IIRC, the SE/30 can have up to OS 7.5.5. Somewhere.... on Apple's Web
site is the Apple Spec Database, which would tell you for sure. The SE/30
will support more than 8 MB RAM if you have MODE32 installed and you have
32-bit addressing enabled.
But before updating your OS, check other things, like making sure the
old Stuffit Preferences, engines, or Extensions are removed before trying a
newer-than-1.5 version of Stuffit. Try unstuffing through the menu
commands. Try unstuffing by drag-and-drop.
Edwin
At 01:28 PM 3/17/2001 -0800, you wrote:
The problem is that none of those available and more advanced versions
will run on 7.0.1 which is on the SE30. I harbor a hazy recollection
that there are practical limitations on how 'new' a system one can run
on that machine. Am I close?
- don
7:37 a.m.
You can grab MacOS 7.5.3 for free off of Apple's FTP site. They don't have
MacOS 7.5.5 install disks, just the upgrade, as 7.5.5 doesn't like some
hardware combinations sold by Apple. The SE/30 should be fine (I used to run
7.5.5 on mine) 7.5 does suck up more RAM then 7.0 or 7.1, but it installs
just about everything by default. You can toss a bunch of stuff to free up
RAM.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edwin P. Groot" <epgroot(a)ucdavis.edu>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Mac SE30
So, what's the error message you get when you
open this .sit archive
in version 1.5?
IIRC, the SE/30 can have up to OS 7.5.5. Somewhere.... on Apple's
Web
site is the Apple Spec Database, which would tell you
for sure. The SE/30
will support more than 8 MB RAM if you have MODE32 installed and you have
32-bit addressing enabled.
But before updating your OS, check other things, like making sure the
old Stuffit Preferences, engines, or Extensions are removed before trying
a
newer-than-1.5 version of Stuffit. Try unstuffing
through the menu
commands. Try unstuffing by drag-and-drop.
Edwin
At 01:28 PM 3/17/2001 -0800, you wrote:
The problem is that none of those available and more advanced versions
will run on 7.0.1 which is on the SE30. I harbor a hazy recollection
that there are practical limitations on how 'new' a system one can run
on that machine. Am I close?
- don
20 Mar
20 Mar
8:54 a.m.
New subject: Amigas Down Under
Have any Australian Amiga users on the list ever owned/seen a WB1.3 A500
bundle that included Photon Paint, a Mini Golf game, and a racing game of
some description? I'm looking for the bundle name and a box scan if
possible.
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19 Mar
19 Mar
11:02 a.m.
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Edwin P. Groot wrote:
So, what's the error message you get when you
open this .sit archive
in version 1.5?
Words to the effect that it did not understand the compression mode
used.
The real problem here is that I am a real dolt as regards
things Apple, and I am fumbling of course. The project is to install
the Stylewriter 1200 on a II/SI that is elsewhere and I am trying to get
a driver package set up on the SE30 to make the installation on the II/SI.
IIRC, the SE/30 can have up to OS 7.5.5.
Somewhere.... on Apple's Web
site is the Apple Spec Database, which would tell you for sure. The SE/30
will support more than 8 MB RAM if you have MODE32 installed and you have
32-bit addressing enabled.
I am going to upgrade it. To many difficulties trying to use old stuff
on newer stuff :(
But before updating your OS, check other things,
like making sure the
old Stuffit Preferences, engines, or Extensions are removed before trying a
newer-than-1.5 version of Stuffit. Try unstuffing through the menu
commands. Try unstuffing by drag-and-drop.
Thanks, Edwin, I appreciate the advice.
- don
At 01:28 PM 3/17/2001 -0800, you wrote:
The problem is that none of those available and more advanced versions
will run on 7.0.1 which is on the SE30. I harbor a hazy recollection
that there are practical limitations on how 'new' a system one can run
on that machine. Am I close?
- don
20 Mar
20 Mar
8:35 p.m.
Hi Don,
You made me drag my SE/30 out to have a look.
For what it's worth my SE/30 has StuffIt 3.5.2 with the Minimal
StuffIt Engine v.3.0.3. It works fine under System 7.1, 40 MB HDD, 8 MB
RAM. MODE32 is enabled, but in the Memory control panel, 32-bit addressing
is off, and virtual memory is off.
Edwin
At 02:02 PM 3/19/2001 -0800, you wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Edwin P. Groot wrote:
Looks like you need an updated StuffIt Expander.
So, what's the error message you get
when you open this .sit archive
in version 1.5?
Words to the effect that it did not understand the compression
mode
used.
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