21 Aug
2015
21 Aug
'15
8:33 p.m.
I have a small batch of Data I/O EPROM burners. Trying to test them out and ran into a
nightmare. They require a pin family and size parameter. But in none of the
documentation is there any mention of what these values are. There are some generic
pinouts, which are almost useless because Data I/O changed the definition of several
pins.
Then the manual says to get your part's timing chart and compare them to 409 pages of
timing charts to find the family type! Nothing is mentioned anywhere on how to calculate
size parameter.
There should be a chart or document somewhere that gives the parameters by model numbers
like 2516, 2764, etc.
Anyone know of a document like this?
Anyone have experience with the model 29A&B, Model 19, Model 100 gang programmer,
etc.
At this point, without better data, these 11 -12 deveces are heading for the scrap pile.
This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test equipment.
Billy Pettit
21 Aug
21 Aug
8:45 p.m.
i got a few of them and have the data somewhere i will try to dig it up
and send u off list
On 8/21/2015 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote:
I have a small batch of Data I/O EPROM burners.
Trying to test them out and ran into a nightmare. They require a pin family and size
parameter. But in none of the documentation is there any mention of what these values
are. There are some generic pinouts, which are almost useless because Data I/O changed
the definition of several pins.
Then the manual says to get your part's timing chart and compare them to 409 pages of
timing charts to find the family type! Nothing is mentioned anywhere on how to calculate
size parameter.
There should be a chart or document somewhere that gives the parameters by model numbers
like 2516, 2764, etc.
Anyone know of a document like this?
Anyone have experience with the model 29A&B, Model 19, Model 100 gang programmer,
etc.
At this point, without better data, these 11 -12 deveces are heading for the scrap pile.
This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test equipment.
Billy Pettit
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9:45 p.m.
On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote:
This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen
on a piece of test equipment.
The problem is they went through at least three generations of
programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B)
There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists
about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter.
I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG
time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not
even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for
them.
11:05 p.m.
Something must be wrong here, the 29B/unipak is very easy to use.
I was the rep in Houston (USDATA) and I must have sold 50 of these. It went for $4500
with the unipak.
A typical demo we would plug in a dumb terminal, its a lot more effective demo to select a
device than from the keypad.
One of these I sold to Gateway Technologies, Rod Canion. The demo and sale went down at a
pancake house on the Southwest Freeway.
They used it to suck the BIOS out of the IBM PC, and form Compaq Computer.
Randy
Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: aek at bitsavers.org
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:45:12 -0700
On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote:
This is the poorest documentation I've ever
seen on a piece of test equipment.
The problem is they went through at least three generations of
programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B)
There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists
about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter.
I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG
time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not
even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for
them.
11:45 p.m.
I have a modified dos program that talks to the data i/o its the one
that they sold with the unit but only ran on a 286
or lower system the modified one i have works in windows 7 in a dos box
not tried it on a win8 or 10 system but i dont see why it would not work
if your interested i can send it to you
On 8/21/2015 8:05 PM, Randy Dawson wrote:
Something must be wrong here, the 29B/unipak is very
easy to use.
I was the rep in Houston (USDATA) and I must have sold 50 of these. It went for $4500
with the unipak.
A typical demo we would plug in a dumb terminal, its a lot more effective demo to select
a device than from the keypad.
One of these I sold to Gateway Technologies, Rod Canion. The demo and sale went down at
a pancake house on the Southwest Freeway.
They used it to suck the BIOS out of the IBM PC, and form Compaq Computer.
Randy
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Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: aek at bitsavers.org
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:45:12 -0700
On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote:
This is the poorest documentation I've ever
seen on a piece of test equipment.
The problem is they went through at least three generations of
programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B)
There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists
about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter.
I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG
time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not
even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for
them.
22 Aug
22 Aug
1:24 a.m.
At microdata we had a support contract with Data I/O and every set of
roms for the base unit and the Unipak came with a new poster up to date
with the latest parts from the manufacturers.
So you don't need to just get a poster or table or list, but you also
need to match it to the firmware set in your 29xx.
I grabbed a stack of the posters at one time which were old and have
them somewhere. I'm not sure what would have happened to them at heavy
user sites, but I know such as the local Avnet, and Hamilton offices
which we mooched programming time from after I left Microdata had quite
a few. I don't know if they got as many updates as Microdata did.
Randy, did you know of such a program? The program I'm talking with may
have gone around rep firms, as Microdata was using the crap out of a lot
of different roms, and then eproms. Of course if you blew up a rom in
the Data I/O the manufacturers also warrantied them back pretty much w/o
any question, or someone came out to find out what you were doing wrong.
Thanks
Jim
On 8/21/2015 8:05 PM, Randy Dawson wrote:
Something must be wrong here, the 29B/unipak is very
easy to use.
I was the rep in Houston (USDATA) and I must have sold 50 of these. It went for $4500
with the unipak.
A typical demo we would plug in a dumb terminal, its a lot more effective demo to select
a device than from the keypad.
One of these I sold to Gateway Technologies, Rod Canion. The demo and sale went down at
a pancake house on the Southwest Freeway.
They used it to suck the BIOS out of the IBM PC, and form Compaq Computer.
Randy
Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: aek at bitsavers.org
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:45:12 -0700
On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote:
This is the poorest documentation I've ever
seen on a piece of test equipment.
The problem is they went through at least three generations of
programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B)
There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists
about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter.
I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG
time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not
even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for
them.
2:19 a.m.
Hi Jim,
Data I/O flew down to Texas every month, for sales meetings, we were doing a huge business
for them. We would make joint calls and I remember that our field stuff was always updated
as part of the trip. All our demo units had these cool small suitcase, foam lined cases.
The FAE would go thru our stuff and make sure we were current.
There were always new chips to support for the Unipak, and they wanted to make sure that
as we went on calls we never got stuck, as we were doing so well with the product. My rep
firm, USDATA was Texas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana for the product. I never recall us going
to visit Hamilton or Avenet, (AKA Hamilton Havenot!) I think they took those sales direct.
We were calling on TI, NASA, Datapoint, and the petrochem guys.
Jim, Did you know these guys? I recall Dennis (sales mgr) and Marty (FAE)?
We had excellent support from these people as we were also users. Our product line
('78-'82 timeframe) was all the top computer graphics, and we constantly had to
update PROMS, EPROMS for the rest of our stuff:
Jupiter and AED graphics terminals;
Printronix and Trilog color printers;
Compucolor 8080 color computers;
Matrix film recorders;
Grinell image processor engine;
I remember after a day of Houston sales calls with them, I am driving them back to the
airport. We did not have lunch that day, so I stop at a tamale truck and hand these guys
a sack of tamales. Front seat is loaded with demo equip, so they are sitting in the back.
"Ever had a tamale?" I ask. "These are great!"
I look in the rear view, and they are eating them, corn husks and all...
Back to Redmond, WA for these guys.
Now that is sales support!
Randy
Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: jws at jwsss.com
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:24:45 -0700
At microdata we had a support contract with Data I/O and every set of
roms for the base unit and the Unipak came with a new poster up to date
with the latest parts from the manufacturers.
So you don't need to just get a poster or table or list, but you also
need to match it to the firmware set in your 29xx.
I grabbed a stack of the posters at one time which were old and have
them somewhere. I'm not sure what would have happened to them at heavy
user sites, but I know such as the local Avnet, and Hamilton offices
which we mooched programming time from after I left Microdata had quite
a few. I don't know if they got as many updates as Microdata did.
Randy, did you know of such a program? The program I'm talking with may
have gone around rep firms, as Microdata was using the crap out of a lot
of different roms, and then eproms. Of course if you blew up a rom in
the Data I/O the manufacturers also warrantied them back pretty much w/o
any question, or someone came out to find out what you were doing wrong.
Thanks
Jim
On 8/21/2015 8:05 PM, Randy Dawson wrote:
Something must be wrong here, the 29B/unipak is
very easy to use.
I was the rep in Houston (USDATA) and I must have sold 50 of these. It went for $4500
with the unipak.
A typical demo we would plug in a dumb terminal, its a lot more effective demo to select
a device than from the keypad.
One of these I sold to Gateway Technologies, Rod Canion. The demo and sale went down at
a pancake house on the Southwest Freeway.
They used it to suck the BIOS out of the IBM PC, and form Compaq Computer.
Randy
Subject: Re: Data I/O 29B
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
From: aek at bitsavers.org
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:45:12 -0700
On 8/21/15 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote:
This is the poorest documentation I've ever
seen on a piece of test equipment.
The problem is they went through at least three generations of
programming packs (individual device, unipak, unipack2/2A/2B)
There is a text file (unipak2.txt) that I sent you that lists
about 1000 devices along with the family and pin adapter.
I gave up on anything earlier than the 2900/3900/Unisite a LONG
time ago. I'd just offer them to people in the bay area and not
even bother testing them. I should have the docs on bitsavers for
them.
10:45 a.m.
On 08/21/2015 5:33 PM, Billy Pettit wrote:
I have a small batch of Data I/O EPROM burners.
Trying to test them out and ran into a nightmare. They require a pin family and size
parameter. But in none of the documentation is there any mention of what these values
are. There are some generic pinouts, which are almost useless because Data I/O changed
the definition of several pins.
Then the manual says to get your part's timing chart and compare them to 409 pages of
timing charts to find the family type! Nothing is mentioned anywhere on how to calculate
size parameter.
There should be a chart or document somewhere that gives the parameters by model numbers
like 2516, 2764, etc.
Anyone know of a document like this?
Anyone have experience with the model 29A&B, Model 19, Model 100 gang programmer,
etc.
At this point, without better data, these 11 -12 deveces are heading for the scrap pile.
This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of test equipment.
Billy Pettit
There is a good support group for these machine hosted by Alfred Morin
on yahoo.
To join etc, :
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Data_IO_EPROM
Also, I have a bit of Data I/O stuff filed away here (not well sorted
I'm afraid) from TTL - Tech Tools (mail) List:
FTP site is:ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment
https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
John :-#)#
12:26 p.m.
I'm confused that you couldn't find any info on these. I have a 29B with
quite a few different attachments. These are about the best documented units
I've seen. I probably have 3 or 4 inches of documentation (fairly sure it
includes schematics), and at least 3 different versions of DOS programs that
allow you to control and automate the unit. ISTR a unix one floating around
as well. I know the docs include "thousands" of pinout families referenced
to which chips they are for...
I believe I scrounged all this from google years back. Let me know if you
can't find info....
J
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Subject: Data I/O 29B
I have a small batch of Data I/O EPROM burners. Trying to test them out and
ran into a nightmare. They require a pin family and size parameter. But in
none of the documentation is there any mention of what these values are.
There are some generic pinouts, which are almost useless because Data I/O
changed the definition of several pins.
Then the manual says to get your part's timing chart and compare them to 409
pages of timing charts to find the family type! Nothing is mentioned
anywhere on how to calculate size parameter.
There should be a chart or document somewhere that gives the parameters by
model numbers like 2516, 2764, etc.
Anyone know of a document like this?
Anyone have experience with the model 29A&B, Model 19, Model 100 gang
programmer, etc.
At this point, without better data, these 11 -12 deveces are heading for the
scrap pile. This is the poorest documentation I've ever seen on a piece of
test equipment.
Billy Pettit
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