6 May
2002
6 May
'02
12:57 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com]
Maybe someday someone will write a DOSEMU that works
like
DOS, and a WINE that
actually executes Windows App's. That would go a long way to
ending the MS
monopoly on user-friendly, and make it possible for 3rd-party
application
developers to get up some applicatons that really work.
Heh -- I'm sure M$ has a monopoly on something, but it certainly
isn't "user-friendly..." Even if you define user-friendly as
"acting just like windows," there are a few other things around,
regrettably, that do that these days.
That aside, though, have you tried Wine recently? It's coming
along nicely, and DOSEMU looks a lot like DOS to me.
Did you mean to single DOS out as being "user-friendly?" I ask
because it doesn't strike me as exceptionally so...
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl
Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
6 May
6 May
1:17 p.m.
I just consider "user-friendly" as being such that you can take an unitiated
but interested party, set them down at the console, and expect them to be able
to do what they want to do without first attending extensive training. I know
Martin Marietta send folks off to Unix school for a couple of weeks,
half-days, but I ducked out of that by going to an HP CAE class in Andover,
MA.
Windows does that, however, and so, apparently does the Mac, though I find it
confusing because it's not what I've grown to know, if not love.
more below ...
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Smith" <csmith(a)amdocs.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: APPLEVISION Monitor, Anything !Windows = Cryptic ?
It wasn't exceptionally so, and, in fact, was somewhat of a pain. It
wasn't
easy to learn because I was accustomed to CP/M and it wasn't CP/M. After a
week or two, though, it was liveable.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com]
Maybe someday someone will write a DOSEMU that
works like
DOS, and a WINE that
actually executes Windows App's. That would go a long way to
ending the MS
monopoly on user-friendly, and make it possible for 3rd-party
application
developers to get up some applicatons that really work.
Heh -- I'm sure M$ has a monopoly on something, but it certainly
isn't "user-friendly..." Even if you define user-friendly as
"acting just like windows," there are a few other things around,
regrettably, that do that these days.
That aside, though, have you tried Wine recently? It's coming
along nicely, and DOSEMU looks a lot like DOS to me.
Did you mean to single DOS out as being "user-friendly?" I ask
because it doesn't strike me as exceptionally so...
1:56 p.m.
Rumor has it that Richard Erlacher may have mentioned these words:
I just consider "user-friendly" as being such
that you can take an unitiated
but interested party, set them down at the console, and expect them to be
able
to do what they want to do without first attending
extensive training. I
know
Martin Marietta send folks off to Unix school for a
couple of weeks,
half-days, but I ducked out of that by going to an HP CAE class in Andover,
MA.
Windows does that, however, and so, apparently does the Mac, though I find it
confusing because it's not what I've grown to know, if not love.
[snip]
Then I guess DEC [Comhaq] Tru64 Unix Version 5 would also fall under that
heading... I sat my rather technophobe wife behind that OS on a DEC 3000
Model 300 Alpha, and she was using it faster & easier than Win95... I went
from 2-3 support calls per day (from her, while I was
at work) to maybe 1-2
per month. The DEC finally got a little slow for her tastes,
and she needed
office apps (read: staroffice) so I put her behind the wheel of a Compaq
Dual P2-350Mhz running RedSplat 7.2 -- still easier to set up with my
networked color laser (windows still can't find it... :-( ) and it was
still easier for her to cross over to KDE from Tru64 than it was to teach
her the maintenance necessary for Win9x.
Then again, tho; it could just be the teacher... ;-)
"Merch"
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
2:28 p.m.
I'm not sure what/which you mean here, Roger.
more below...
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Merchberger" <zmerch(a)30below.com
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor, Anything !Windows = Cryptic ?
>Windows does that, however, and so,
apparently does the Mac, though I find it
Maintenance? What do you mean? There are some feeble manintenance tools, but
they're not power tools.
My neighbor bought two dual Alpha server boxes
sans-OS under the apparent
illusion that there was a Tru64 Unix for it. After trying to get that to come
to pass, and failing in that, after trying to sell the things, he finally
discarded them, lock, stock, and barrel. I wish he'd let me have a crack at
the PSU's.
Now, he's been formally trained (whatever that means) in Compaq lore and DEC
lore before that, not to mention that he's an MSCE, methinks. He's clearly
not an idiot, but he was unable to get that Tru64 thing to happen. Clearly,
not all things are as simple as some might like to believe.
> Then again, tho; it could just be the
teacher... ;-)
Rumor has it that Richard Erlacher may have mentioned
these words:
>I just consider "user-friendly" as being such that you can take an
unitiated
but interested
party, set them down at the console, and expect them to be
able
to do what they want to do without first attending
extensive training. I
know
>Martin Marietta send folks off to Unix school for a couple of weeks,
>half-days, but I ducked out of that by going to an HP CAE class in Andover,
>MA.
confusing
because it's not what I've grown to know, if not love.
[snip]
Then I guess DEC [Comhaq] Tru64 Unix Version 5 would also fall under that
heading... I sat my rather technophobe wife behind that OS on a DEC 3000
Model 300 Alpha, and she was using it faster & easier than Win95... I went
from 2-3 support calls per day (from her, while I was at work) to maybe 1-2
per month. The DEC finally got a little slow for her tastes, and she needed
office apps (read: staroffice) so I put her behind the wheel of a Compaq
Dual P2-350Mhz running RedSplat 7.2 -- still easier to set up with my
networked color laser (windows still can't find it... :-( ) and it was
still easier for her to cross over to KDE from Tru64 than it was to teach
her the maintenance necessary for Win9x.
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