maybe they charge for admission? ----- Original Message ----- Danger

On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Bill Bradford wrote: Yeah, and that select stuff could probably be selling for a goodly sum of money that will go towards their primary mission of helping people get back on their feet. Someone should write to Goodwill corporate and let them know this is going on. I'm sure it's not in their charter and I would guess they would not approve of valuable stock being retained for the enjoyment of a couple employees. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Kevin Stumpf/Nostalgic Technophile/Unusual Systems wrote: I've never heard anyone express that desire. You must be confused. Because it's not in their charter. The items have been taken out of circulation, earning no revenue for Goodwill, and being kept from collectors. I think the last thing that folks going into a Goodwill store (the majority of which are there to buy items of necessity) are interested in is a computer museum. If they sold those items it would do more to foster "growth" in the hobby. That's a big assumption. I would expect it to not make much, if any, impact on sales or patronage. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF 4.0 is September 30-October 1 San Jose Convention Center, San Jose, California See http://www.vintage.org for details!

I guess this an appropriate topic to put out the word about a fairly obscure organization in SW PA that regularly has vintage computers for sale at their Canonsburg location (and now on this list) and my relationship with them. The main organization is called The Washington City Mission, which is a Christian Homeless Rehabilitation Shelter, and they operate five "Hidden Treasures" retail stores in the local area. They also operate the Avis Arbor Women's Shelter. Drop-offs are accepted at all store locations, but they also have several box vans which are out in the community during the weekdays making pickups which are arranged by donors calling in. Quoting from their literature: "Five Hidden Treasures thrift stores in Burgettstown, Canonsburg, Donora, Washington and Waynesburg offer excellent quality used merchandise at affordable prices. Your purchase at one of our stores provides revenue for us to continue our programs. Our stores are a ministry in each community, offering free of reduced cost merchandise to those in need. Whether you are rich or poor, there is something for everyone at Hidden Treasures." I started out as a regular customer at the Canonsburg location, often finding vintage computers and equipment at very reasonable prices. Terry, the manager at the Canonsburg store, informed me they were not picking up a lot of computer equipment because they didn't have anyone to go through it and check it out. He offered me a volunteer position as their "computer man", which I accepted. In return for testing and configuring "newer" PC's for low income families and other needy persons, I get all the vintage equipment that comes in, if I want it. The word is out now, and all computer equipment is accepted. Needless to say the usual things are plentiful, Commodores, Atari's, etc., but it is great to get some systems in that are still new in the box, along with an occasional CP/M system. We will be relocating the store in the future, so I am planning a vintage computer museum section. The difference will be that everything will be available for very reasonable prices. We are also planning on selling on eBay. Right now we have several complete vintage PC systems for sale, and lots of components. If anyone on this list is interested, contact me off list with a reasonable offer, exclusive of actual shipping costs. I'm not talking anywhere near eBay prices here. Just cover the time needed to pack things for shipping and a reasonable donation. And yes, your donation is tax deductible. Shipping available via UPS Ground and USPS parcel post, USPS Priority for smaller items and if requested. Photos also available upon request. And if you can get to our store, contact me for directions and a meeting time. Current systems and components that need homes: Original IBM 5150 PC, dual floppies, 5153 CGA monitor, IBM PC keyboard and 80 column IBM printer. Great physical and working condition. Early 128K IBM PS/1 with 5.25" floppy drive and PS/1 power cube, PS1 keyboard (not chicklets), separate PS/1 color monitor, 2 PS/1 joysticks, and a large box of IBM software (games and educational) in the IBM plastic boxes, 4 are on cartridges, the rest are on floppies, all have manuals. Also includes all the original PS/1 manuals and software, IBM DOS 2.X (I think 2.0 or 2.01) with slipcover binder. I can supply a list of the software titles to anyone seriously interested in this package. I also have the IBM 132 column printer that came in with all this. Great physical and working condition. Complete Apple Performa 637CD, Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor, Keyboard, Mouse. Great physical and working condition. Early NEC PC, monitor and keyboard. Details if requested. Haven't checked it out yet. IBM PS/1 color monitor. (#2) Various EGA and CGA monitors. Apple 15" Multiple Scan M2943 monitor (#2) Lots and lots of PC keyboards. 80 column dot matrix printers, mostly tractor feed. PC power supplies. Various PC network cards, BNC/RJ-45. I pull them all from the PC systems that come in. Other items arriving just about every day. I'm going to try to get approval for us to accept large business systems also. We have the storage in Washington, and with the large area that our trucks cover, some great stuff is bound to turn up eventually. My recent finds: Atari 130XE NIB, C-128 NIB, Commodore 1526 LQ printer, NIB, lots of accessories, and boxes and boxes of manuals and diskettes. If there is interest within this group, more posts will follow and nothing much will end up on eBay. And remember, this endeavor supports a very worthy cause. Bill -> This is a "GOODWILL COMPUTERWORKS". A dedicated computer store. -> -> *ALL THEY SELL* is computers. All the computers donated to Goodwill across -> the state are trucked here, where if possible, they're reassembled into -> working boxes/parts (in the case of PCs), tested, and put out on the -> shelves for people to buy. 99% of the people coming in are looking for -> a PC, Mac, parts for same, or a printer or keyboard, etc; they've just -> recently opened up the "back room" with the old vintage stuff. -> -> People that go to the store *are* interested in the museum; they've -> been doing it to a limited extent for the past 2-3 years (as long as -> I've been going to the store), but have just recently gotten the room -> to expand it. -> -> When I spoke to one of the employees yesterday, he said that they get -> offered TONS more stuff that they simply dont have room for, but would -> love to take. I'm trying to work with them to establish another mailing -> list of collectors for this stuff - so that if GWCW gets offered a piece -> of hardware that they dont have the room for, the people on the list can -> then take a shot at it. -> -> If you want the "normal" GoodWill store, where you can buy clothing, -> coffee pots, old furnitre, etc, the newly expanded and remodeled store -> is about a half mile up the street.

ps/1 was early 90s. ps/2, which preceded it (go figure) was late 80s. ps/2 was supposed to push the new (closed) IBM archetecture (who's name eludes me) whereas ps/1 was just another clone, albiet a single box with everything in it. This is how I remember it, although I'm certainly no expert. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Allison is spot on, I'm using aptiva semi-atx motherboard but fits the case with i/o plate removed and running 233mmx. The ps/1/aptiva/intellistations were basically the same motherboards, just different packages and warrenty support levels. for example: aptiva 2133-s16 and at least 2 models of intellistations used same intel's LPX FX chipset type motherboards that used "EISA style connector" for riser slot card. recall Correct again, Between model 25 all the way to 40 are ISA ps/2. The another ISA small box is model 33. Above that, all MCA. I find ps/1 2011 or early 386sx in same box attactive for it's size. At least thanks to this 2011 idea, you can now buy small boxes with small footprint celeron/pentium/pii/piii, athlon/duron with everything for a grand. Wizard

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote: PS/1 came out a bit after the PS/2, if I recall correctly. It was a "cut-down" version of the PS/2 for home use. It lacked some things that the PS/2 had, but I forget what. (Shades of the PCjr)

The machine being described does NOT sound like a PS/1! It sounds like a PCJr. Did the PS/1 have a 5.25" drive (other than external)? Did the PS/1 have a "power cube"? Did the PS/1 have a chiclets keyboard? Did the PS/1 have joysticks? The PS/1 came after the PS/2, and may or may not be OT. Some thought that it was IBM backing down from MCA. Anybody in the SF bay area who would like some PCJrs? PS/2s? Don't make me bring a big pile of stuff to VCF! -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

Unfortunately in the Toronto area Goodwill has stopped taking computer donations. I'd found a lot of goodies there over the years. At one point there were about 15 DEC Rainbows in the main store. One could only hope that the Goodwill regional management here was as bright as the ones in which there are Goodwill Computerworks stores. As a result I'm sure the previous corporate donations are now going into landfill. ciao larry lgwalker(a)look.ca walkers(a)altavista.net bigwalk(a)xoommail.com

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A SP9000 PET for 50 Bucks on ePay ? I havn't thought the price is _that_ low at the moment... Again, I'm not talking about give them away at their regular store price (although I'd like it), but rather sell them at hughes tossible price. Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen http://www.vintage.org/vcfe http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe