23 Dec
2018
23 Dec
'18
3:24 p.m.
I have another paper tape...this time, it's 7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
Tape image here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kCiSiNuPvAPzBG0XCqBJiBoPhjmyvU21
Here's some of the first of the tape.
0000000 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000380 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000390 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
00003a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00003d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80
00003e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000430 80 80 80 80 88 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000440 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000ca0 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000cb0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00010d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
00010e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0001100 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001110 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001120 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001130 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001140 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001150 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001160 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
0001170 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Any ideas what this could have been used for?
The 8th channel is set since I read this on an 8-channel reader.
Thanks,
Kyle
23 Dec
23 Dec
3:52 p.m.
On Dec 23, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have another paper tape...this time, it's 7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
...
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Which country? I know of 7 track tape (actually 7 tracks wide, rather than 8 track 1-inch
tape with channel 8 unused) from Electrologica in Holland, and the date would be a bit
early but possible. But the data you gave doesn't look like anything meaningful.
paul
4:08 p.m.
was? some of the? flexowriter? ?7 level punches?
Ed#
In a message dated 12/23/2018 4:52:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
On Dec 23, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have another paper tape...this time, it's 7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
...
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Which country? I know of 7 track tape (actually 7 tracks wide, rather than 8 track 1-inch
tape with channel 8 unused) from Electrologica in Holland, and the date would be a bit
early but possible. But the data you gave doesn't look like anything meaningful.
paul
5:34 p.m.
Yes, Flexowriter code is 7 bits. But on the Flexowriters I have seen, the machine
actually uses standard 8 bit paper tape, it just doesn't punch the 8th row.
Actual 7 rows wide tape is another thing entirely, that I have never seen in person but
I've encountered in my reading and in photos from other collectors.
paul
On Dec 23, 2018, at 7:08 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
was some of the flexowriter 7 level punches?
Ed#
In a message dated 12/23/2018 4:52:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
On Dec 23, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have another paper tape...this time, it's 7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
...
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Which country? I know of 7 track tape (actually 7 tracks wide, rather than 8 track 1-inch
tape with channel 8 unused) from Electrologica in Holland, and the date would be a bit
early but possible. But the data you gave doesn't look like anything meaningful.
paul
4:13 p.m.
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 17:52 Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net wrote:
USA. It is indeed 7 tracks wide. I didn't realize that until I tried
dumping the tape today. First time I've come across 7-channel tape before.
I thought it might be for sequencing a test, perhaps, but I'm not certain.
Kyle
On Dec 23, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I have another paper tape...this time, it's 7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
...
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Which country? I know of 7 track tape (actually 7 tracks wide, rather
than 8 track 1-inch tape with channel 8 unused) from Electrologica in
Holland, and the date would be a bit early but possible. But the data you
gave doesn't look like anything meaningful.
4:40 p.m.
On 12/23/18 4:13 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk wrote:
USA. It is indeed 7 tracks wide. I didn't realize
that until I tried
dumping the tape today. First time I've come across 7-channel tape before.
7-channel punches were available on the Flexowriter.
MIT Whirlwind tapes are all 7-channel
4:58 p.m.
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 4:52 PM Al Kossow via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 12/23/18 4:13 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk wrote:
7-channel punches were available on the Flexowriter.
MIT Whirlwind tapes are all 7-channel
As are the tapes on the CDC 160
- Josh
USA. It is indeed 7 tracks wide. I didn't
realize that until I tried
dumping the tape today. First time I've come across 7-channel tape
before.
24 Dec
24 Dec
12:15 p.m.
as is ERMA!
?
eD#
In a message dated 12/23/2018 5:59:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 4:52 PM Al Kossow via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 12/23/18 4:13 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk wrote:
7-channel punches were available on the Flexowriter.
MIT Whirlwind tapes are all 7-channel
As are the tapes on the CDC 160
- Josh
USA. It is indeed 7 tracks wide. I didn't
realize that until I tried
dumping the tape today. First time I've come across 7-channel tape
before.
23 Dec
23 Dec
4:15 p.m.
if it is? ?for a? ge? computer? I WANT IT! (grin!)? yea ha ha !
INPUT
Media Speed
Magnetic Tape 30,000 char/sec
3/4 inch tape - 10 channel - 2 digit in parallel.
Paper Tape 200 char/sec
7 channel punch paper tape photo reader
Flexowriter 10 char/sec
7 channel punch paper tape mechanical reader
Sorter/readers 750 items/min
Magnetic ink coded documents. The sorter/readers are
equipped with character recognition.
?
In a message dated 12/23/2018 4:24:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
I have another paper tape...this time, it's 7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
Tape image here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kCiSiNuPvAPzBG0XCqBJiBoPhjmyvU21
Here's some of the first of the tape.
0000000 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000380 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000390 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
00003a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00003d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80
00003e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000430 80 80 80 80 88 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000440 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000ca0 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000cb0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00010d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
00010e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0001100 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001110 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001120 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001130 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001140 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001150 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001160 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
0001170 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Any ideas what this could have been used for?
The 8th channel is set since I read this on an 8-channel reader.
Thanks,
Kyle
4:19 p.m.
or the computer? asks....? DO? YOU? KNOW? MY? NAME ?
?
?
In a message dated 12/23/2018 5:15:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
if it is? ?for a? ge? computer? I WANT IT! (grin!)? yea ha ha !
INPUT
Media Speed
Magnetic Tape 30,000 char/sec
3/4 inch tape - 10 channel - 2 digit in parallel.
Paper Tape 200 char/sec
7 channel punch paper tape photo reader
Flexowriter 10 char/sec
7 channel punch paper tape mechanical reader
Sorter/readers 750 items/min
Magnetic ink coded documents. The sorter/readers are
equipped with character recognition.
?
In a message dated 12/23/2018 4:24:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at
classiccmp.org writes:
?
I have another paper tape...this time, it's 7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
Tape image here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kCiSiNuPvAPzBG0XCqBJiBoPhjmyvU21
Here's some of the first of the tape.
0000000 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000380 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000390 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
00003a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00003d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80
00003e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000430 80 80 80 80 88 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000440 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000ca0 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000cb0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00010d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
00010e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0001100 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001110 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001120 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001130 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001140 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001150 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001160 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
0001170 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Any ideas what this could have been used for?
The 8th channel is set since I read this on an 8-channel reader.
Thanks,
Kyle
24 Dec
24 Dec
7:22 a.m.
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:24 PM Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I have another paper tape...this time, it's
7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
Tape image here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kCiSiNuPvAPzBG0XCqBJiBoPhjmyvU21
Here's some of the first of the tape.
0000000 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000380 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000390 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
00003a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00003d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80
00003e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000430 80 80 80 80 88 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000440 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000ca0 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000cb0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00010d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
00010e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0001100 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001110 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001120 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001130 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001140 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001150 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001160 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
0001170 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Any ideas what this could have been used for?
The 8th channel is set since I read this on an 8-channel reader.
Thanks,
Kyle
nuthin' ... but it's pre-ascii and pre motorola format. Flexowriter
stuff?
7:24 a.m.
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:22 AM Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:24 PM Kyle Owen via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
replying to myself, oops I see Flexowriter was already determined. I have
notes on how to read / transpose how to read Flexowriter into ascii
somewhere, but this is pretty much empty data just by looking at it, I'd
need to see more that just 80 80 80 80
b
I have another paper tape...this time, it's
7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
Tape image here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kCiSiNuPvAPzBG0XCqBJiBoPhjmyvU21
Here's some of the first of the tape.
0000000 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000380 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000390 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
00003a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00003d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80
00003e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000430 80 80 80 80 88 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000440 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000ca0 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000cb0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00010d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
00010e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0001100 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001110 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001120 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001130 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001140 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001150 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001160 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
0001170 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Any ideas what this could have been used for?
The 8th channel is set since I read this on an 8-channel reader.
Thanks,
Kyle
nuthin' ... but it's pre-ascii and pre motorola format. Flexowriter
stuff?
7:46 a.m.
On December 24, 2018 at 10:24 AM Bill Degnan via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:22 AM Bill Degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps I'm just showing my ignorance, but if these are 7 track tapes, shouldn't
the max value be 7f? Am I missing something?
Will
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:24 PM Kyle Owen via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
replying to myself, oops I see Flexowriter was already determined. I have
notes on how to read / transpose how to read Flexowriter into ascii
somewhere, but this is pretty much empty data just by looking at it, I'd
need to see more that just 80 80 80 80
b I have another paper tape...this time, it's
7-channel.
I dumped it and found that it has very, very little data on it.
Tape image here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kCiSiNuPvAPzBG0XCqBJiBoPhjmyvU21
Here's some of the first of the tape.
0000000 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000380 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000390 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
00003a0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00003d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 a0 80 80 80 80 80
00003e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000430 80 80 80 80 88 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000440 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0000ca0 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0000cb0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
00010d0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
00010e0 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
*
0001100 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001110 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001120 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001130 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001140 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001150 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
0001160 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 81 81 80 80
0001170 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80 80
The tape is dated 22 October 1958.
Any ideas what this could have been used for?
The 8th channel is set since I read this on an 8-channel reader.
Thanks,
Kyle
nuthin' ... but it's pre-ascii and pre motorola format. Flexowriter
stuff?
9:06 a.m.
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 09:46 Will Cooke via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
wrote:
Perhaps I'm just showing my ignorance, but if these are 7 track tapes,
shouldn't the max value be 7f? Am I missing something?
> On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 6:24 PM Kyle Owen via
cctalk <
> cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>> The 8th channel is set since I read this on an 8-channel reader.
1:16 p.m.
It's probably encrypted SETI data.
You need to analyze the subtle hidden patterns of the differences between
the 80h's
THEN, you insert that message a few characters at a time between words in
Ed's posts. He has cleverly been steganographically relaying the hidden
message for a while.
1:32 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 24, 2018, 15:16 Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
wrote:
THEN, you insert that message a few characters at a
time between words in
Ed's posts. He has cleverly been steganographically relaying the hidden
message for a while.
Maybe the real data has to be read between the holes...!
Here's the tape reader that I found this reel in. Unfortunately I was not
able to rescue the reader...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8Ow1Wo1rBQUVUk1alRqVGdRZHM/view?usp=drive…
Thanks,
Kyle
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