Programming the Macintosh is not hell! It's not as easy or sloppy as Visual Basic, but it can still be a dream machine to program. If you are seriously interested I recommend using CodeWarrior, and Tools Plus (a programming library that vastly simplifies things). You can get older copies of the Inside Macintosh from Powells books. http://www.powells.com there are two different series, the older is I believe 4 or 6 volumes. The newest is about 30+ volumes now, I'd recommend getting the newest on CD-ROM. Better yet, get a copy of the Magazine "Mac Tech", and order a copy of the CD that contains all thier back issues, it contains the current version of the THINK Reference. I'd recommend avoiding Apples IDE, I've tried it out, and didn't like it. Very primitive feeling. Still it's the only way to really add a CLI to a Macintosh. IIRC it's currently either discontued or in maintence mode. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |