5 Sep
2015
5 Sep
'15
11:10 p.m.
Hi all --
I've been working on getting a Xerox 1186 workstation up and running
again, using the floppy images on Bitsavers. I have the "Medley"
Interlisp-D software installed (after writing out and installing from
~25 floppies) and running and I'm attempting to load in the related
libraries and software (another 10-20 floppies or so). Some of these
libraries have dependencies on various font files, which I do not seem
to have and haven't been able to track down. I see vague references in
the documentation to a floppy disk set labeled "Display Fonts" but these
do not appear to be on Bitsavers.
From writing out a few floppies and looking at their contents on the
1186, I do not believe that these have any relationship to the Viewpoint
Font disks (though if anyone knows differently, do let me know).
Anyone out there have any experience with this? Anyone happen to have
these floppies and/or images of them?
Thanks as always,
Josh
6 Sep
6 Sep
12:51 a.m.
On Sat, Sep 05, 2015, Josh Dersch wrote:
Hi all --
I've been working on getting a Xerox 1186 workstation up and running again,
using the floppy images on Bitsavers. I have the "Medley" Interlisp-D
software installed (after writing out and installing from ~25 floppies) and
running and I'm attempting to load in the related libraries and software
(another 10-20 floppies or so). Some of these libraries have dependencies
on various font files, which I do not seem to have and haven't been able to
track down. I see vague references in the documentation to a floppy disk
set labeled "Display Fonts" but these do not appear to be on Bitsavers.
From writing out a few floppies and looking at their contents on the 1186, I
do not believe that these have any relationship to the Viewpoint Font disks
(though if anyone knows differently, do let me know).
Anyone out there have any experience with this? Anyone happen to have these
floppies and/or images of them?
I wonder if the poster of this message --
http://www.sunhelp.org/pipermail/rescue/2012-January/132294.html --
would have them. It's a bit of an old post, but maybe he still uses that
email and has them.
Thanks as always,
Josh
--
Eric Christopherson
7:48 a.m.
On 9/5/15 11:10 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Anyone happen to have these floppies and/or images of
them?
I have several moving boxes of 5" floppies I got from Envos when the left Redwood
City
I'll see what's there. The display fonts should be common across all the D machine
software
platforms.
8:43 a.m.
On 9/6/15 7:48 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 9/5/15 11:10 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Thanks, let me know what you find. I'll take a closer look at the
Viewpoint images and see if maybe what I need is hidden there. It
doesn't appear that the font disks are labeled in the same way between
VP and Interlisp-D (the 1186 docs make mention of things like "Place
Display font Disk #13 in the drive..." while the VP disks do not appear
to be labeled in that way). I'm going to look at more the disks that
don't have "300 DPI" in the label (since those are unlikely to be
display fonts).
- Josh
Anyone happen to have these floppies and/or
images of them?
I have several moving boxes of 5" floppies I got from Envos when the
left Redwood City
I'll see what's there. The display fonts should be common across all
the D machine software
platforms.
2:18 p.m.
On 9/6/15 10:59 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 9/6/15 8:43 AM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Wrote out a couple of disks that looked promising (labeled "VP Helvetica
Fonts" and "VP Xerox Classic Fonts") and while it's possible that the
disks contain the right fonts for the 1186, they seem to be packaged
differently than Interlisp wants.
The 1186 docs refer to fonts on the floppy as being present in separate
files (one file per font, at different sizes & whatnot, apparently); the
VP font disks seem to have all fonts packaged into a single file (for
example "VP Helvetica Fonts" is the name of the single file on the
floppy of the same name. I'll have to do some digging to see if this is
a container format that Interlisp can crack.
Lots of other disks to look through but it's a pain to get them written
out; one of those HxC floppy drive emulators is looking rather nice
right now :).
- Josh
I'm going to look at more the disks that
don't have "300 DPI" in the label (since those are unlikely to be
display fonts).
right, those are 4045 laser printer fonts
7 Sep
7 Sep
8:01 a.m.
On 9/6/15 2:18 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Lots of other disks to look through but it's a
pain to get them written out; one of those HxC floppy drive emulators is looking rather
nice right now :).
you might want to see if http://bitsavers.org/bits/Xerox/8010/extractXeroxFloppy.zip can
be adapted to the 5" format
7:21 p.m.
On 9/7/15 8:01 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 9/6/15 2:18 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Cool, I didn't know of that tool's existence. From the code, it looks
like 5.25" formats may already work:
switch(sectors)
{
...
case 9: sectorsT0 = 16; /* 5.25 inch 360k */
...
}
I'll have to play with it when I have a few minutes...
Thanks!
Josh
Lots of other disks to look through but it's
a pain to get them
written out; one of those HxC floppy drive emulators is looking
rather nice right now :).
you might want to see if
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Xerox/8010/extractXeroxFloppy.zip can be
adapted to the 5" format
10:23 p.m.
On 9/7/15 7:21 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
On 9/7/15 8:01 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
Quick update: This compiled (with warnings) on my Mac and seems to run
fine. It does appear to support 5.25" 360K images and I was able to
extract files from the 1186/6085 images (from Bitsavers). The ViewPoint
images do not seem to have any loosely-packaged font files on them,
they're all in some kind of container format. The 1186 images yielded
a bit more fruit, there are font files with extension ".STRIKE" on the
XDE floppies and ".PSCFONT" on "Medley LispUsers #15".
Neither of these seem to match the few examples of filenames I see in
the 1186 docs, but I'll see if I can get a couple of these disks written
out and see what's what later this week.
I also looked briefly at the images for the 1108 and nothing obvious
jumped out.
- Josh
On 9/6/15 2:18 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Cool, I didn't know of that tool's existence. From the code, it looks
like 5.25" formats may already work:
switch(sectors)
{
...
case 9: sectorsT0 = 16; /* 5.25 inch 360k */
...
}
I'll have to play with it when I have a few minutes...
Thanks!
Josh
Lots of other disks to look through but it's
a pain to get them
written out; one of those HxC floppy drive emulators is looking
rather nice right now :).
you might want to see if
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Xerox/8010/extractXeroxFloppy.zip can be
adapted to the 5" format
2 Oct
2 Oct
8:38 p.m.
On 9/7/15 10:23 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
On 9/7/15 7:21 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Quick update: This compiled (with warnings) on my Mac
and seems to
run fine. It does appear to support 5.25" 360K images and I was able
to extract files from the 1186/6085 images (from Bitsavers). The
ViewPoint images do not seem to have any loosely-packaged font files
on them, they're all in some kind of container format. The 1186
images yielded a bit more fruit, there are font files with extension
".STRIKE" on the XDE floppies and ".PSCFONT" on "Medley
LispUsers #15".
Neither of these seem to match the few examples of filenames I see in
the 1186 docs, but I'll see if I can get a couple of these disks
written out and see what's what later this week.
I also looked briefly at the images for the 1108 and nothing obvious
jumped out.
- Josh
Just to bring a sort of closure to this thread: a friend of mine has a
currently non-working 1186 with an installation of the Lyric release of
Interlisp-D installed on the drive; I installed the hard drive in my
1186 and copied the display fonts from it over to a floppy. They appear
to work perfectly on Medley, and all is right with the world.
I have made a disk image of the ad-hoc font disk I created, and just for
convenience I've also extracted them from the disk image, here:
http://yahozna.dyndns.org/scratch/xerox/interlisp-displayfonts.zip
Maybe they'll be useful for someone else in the future...
- Josh
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