10 Nov
1997
10 Nov
'97
11 a.m.
I dunno...I dropped one off my desk (2 1/2 ft), and it survived fine.
I dropped a 1.2 GB HDD (WD, I think) BRAND NEW off my desk onto a carpet,
and it died (couldn't have been a ST-157, no-o-o-o.) Depends on how it
bounces, I guess.
Anyone wanna try this with a 9 gig, in the interests of science?
Now.... just for fun, try to get a modern PC, drop it
on your toe (A
sacrifice for science) and then watch it break into DOZENS of piece. Chip
out of socket, RAM out of socket, motherboard out of case, power supply out
of case, HDD crashed, disk drive not in a working condition, CD-ROM drive's
laser swears that there's no disk in. They don't make 'em like they used
to!!!
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From: Jeff Beoletto <jbeolett(a)ssi.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Classic Computer Rescue Squad
Date: Saturday, November 08, 1997 6:28 PM
On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
up
On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Hotze wrote:
> At 23:18 11/7/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >I am conviced that a lot of people (probably not on this list)
wouldn't
> >know a well-designed or well-built
computer if it was dropped on
them...
Naturally not, they'd be too busy limping around howling.
I DID THAT! I DID THAT! I successfully managed to crush Jeff Beoletto's
(One of my friends) toes with
a PDP-11/44. We were trying to move it sideways. BTW, his foot healed quite well. And he wasn't limping around, he
was curled up in a little
ball on the floor, cussing a blue streak :) A week ago we were moving
the
RA81, and I almost did it again...
Seeing how it was me that Dan managed to drop it I can agree to
the limping, and ironically enough it's the same foot that I had broken 3
times in the month before he crushed it. And just yesterday hauling a pc
down to our storagge office on the 5th floor I tripped and fell down the
steps and have just re-broken that very same ankle. Computers are
hazerdous to your health. =+)
14 Nov
14 Nov
2:19 a.m.
Well, it won't help you now, but a company called JTS Corporation has the best
HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it was
LOUD!!! It also had a fairly good HDD Test Score: 2.6 by the Norton Utilities
benchmarks. I ran the test with my NEW 2.0 GB JTS, which got a 4.0!!! Also,
it's about $20-$40 cheaper than the equivelent Caviar. The best part: It has a
cover with rubber on the outside. I had it IN THE OPEN for about 3 weeks, and
it still worked just fine. The cover protects it from static electrictity form
jerks like me, and from shock, stuff like that.
PG Manney wrote:
I dunno...I dropped one off my desk (2 1/2 ft), and
it survived fine.
I dropped a 1.2 GB HDD (WD, I think) BRAND NEW off my desk onto a carpet,
and it died (couldn't have been a ST-157, no-o-o-o.) Depends on how it
bounces, I guess.
Anyone wanna try this with a 9 gig, in the interests of science?
>Now.... just for fun, try to get a modern PC, drop it on your toe (A
>sacrifice for science) and then watch it break into DOZENS of piece. Chip
>out of socket, RAM out of socket, motherboard out of case, power supply out
>of case, HDD crashed, disk drive not in a working condition, CD-ROM drive's
>laser swears that there's no disk in. They don't make 'em like they
used
>to!!!
>
>----------
>From: Jeff Beoletto <jbeolett(a)ssi.net>
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: Classic Computer Rescue Squad
>Date: Saturday, November 08, 1997 6:28 PM
>
>
>
>On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Hotze wrote:
>>
>> > At 23:18 11/7/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> > >I am conviced that a lot of people (probably not on this list)
>wouldn't
>> > >know a well-designed or well-built computer if it was dropped on
>them...
>> >
>> > Naturally not, they'd be too busy limping around howling.
>> >
>>
>> I DID THAT! I DID THAT! I successfully managed to crush Jeff Beoletto's
>> (One of my friends) toes with
>> a PDP-11/44. We were trying to move it sideways. BTW, his foot healed
>up
>> quite well. And he wasn't limping around, he was curled up in a little
>> ball on the floor, cussing a blue streak :) A week ago we were moving
>the
>> RA81, and I almost did it again...
>>
>>
>>
> Seeing how it was me that Dan managed to drop it I can agree to
>the limping, and ironically enough it's the same foot that I had broken 3
>times in the month before he crushed it. And just yesterday hauling a pc
>down to our storagge office on the 5th floor I tripped and fell down the
>steps and have just re-broken that very same ankle. Computers are
>hazerdous to your health. =+)
>
>
>
>
8:36 a.m.
On 14 Nov 97 at 13:19, HOTZE wrote:
Well, it won't help you now, but a company called
JTS Corporation has the best
HDDs I've seen in a LONG time. I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it was
LOUD!!! It also had a fairly good HDD Test Score: 2.6 by the Norton Utilities
benchmarks. I ran the test with my NEW 2.0 GB JTS, which got a 4.0!!! Also,
it's about $20-$40 cheaper than the equivelent Caviar. The best part: It has a
cover with rubber on the outside. I had it IN THE OPEN for about 3 weeks, and
it still worked just fine. The cover protects it from static electrictity form
jerks like me, and from shock, stuff like that.
Unfortunately it's major shareholder is the Trammiels and after
what they did to Atari I wouldn't buy a can opener from them.
ciao larry
lwalkerN0spaM(a)interlog.com
2:29 p.m.
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10:12 a.m.
I was using a
WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it was
LOUD!!!
If you think that was loud, you've never heard a RP05 spinning up :-). The most amazing thing is being in a real computer
room (i.e. dozens
of 14" drives) when the power suddenly goes *off*. The silence is
astonishing.
Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
I'm sure that would be real shock. And a BIG trump when all heads
suddenly as one parks home when power went out. (Along with a fading
sound of spindown with one or two squeak from bit worn platters).
And burning smell of brake material but I have imagination running
amok. :)
Troll
3:15 p.m.
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10:30 a.m.
If you think that was loud, you've never heard a
RP05 spinning up :-).
I have heard it too...like a jumbo jet on takeoff. Seems to
be
most of noise from that too powerful blower motor. Why the need
for that blower to be there?! Ack!
3:33 p.m.
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3:23 p.m.
Most removable pack drives go through a
"purge" cycle before loading
the heads. The idea is to blow enough air through to pick up any specks
of dust that were in the pack or got into the drive while loading.
Quite a few years ago, I scrapped out a big drive that had an arm with
very fine brushes that would sweep the platters just after the thing came
to speed.
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
3:28 p.m.
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4:35 p.m.
jpero(a)cgo.wave.ca wrote:
:-).
I have heard it too...like a jumbo jet on takeoff. Seems to be
most of noise from that too powerful blower motor. Why the need
for that blower to be there?! Ack!
I remember it in the old MLO4-4 and MLO1-1 (For non-DEC former or
currentemployees, all references to ML or MLO refer to the old woolen
mill in Maynard
Mass, USA, that was the company's headquarters for years), but, as a
former
system operator, in the above locations, this was definately a "pregnant
silence"..
The "Klaaaacccckkkkkk!!!!!!!" of the relays, also commanded some
attention..
Anyone remember the smell when a(n) RP06 disk pack decided
to talk
to it's heads, at a distance closer than factory spec's called for (or
the somewhat
sensual dance that the old RP07 <looked like a skinny washing machine>
used to
do when the seeks happened just right (sound of the song "la
cuccaracha"))....
Will
I was using a WD Caviar 2.0 GB, and it was
LOUD!!!
If you think that was loud, you've never heard a RP05 spinning up The most amazing thing is being in a real
computer room (i.e. dozens
of 14" drives) when the power suddenly goes
*off*. The silence is
astonishing.
Tim. (shoppa(a)triumf.ca)
I'm sure that would be real shock. And a BIG trump when all heads
suddenly as one parks home when power went out. (Along with a fading
sound of spindown with one or two squeak from bit worn platters).
And burning smell of brake material but I have imagination running
amok. :)
Troll 
15 Nov
15 Nov
2:17 a.m.
On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Tim Shoppa wrote:
The most amazing thing is being in a real computer
room (i.e. dozens
of 14" drives) when the power suddenly goes *off*. The silence is
astonishing.
What would be even MORE amazing is when the power comes back ON a second
later, with all the power switches still on, and everything tries to spin
up at once...
Or is there some safeguard against that?
My RA81 makes plenty of noise, you can hear it a room away.
5:16 a.m.
The most
amazing thing is being in a real computer room (i.e. dozens
of 14" drives) when the power suddenly goes *off*. The silence is
astonishing.
What would be even MORE amazing is when the power comes back ON a second
later, with all the power switches still on, and everything tries to spin
up at once...
Or is there some safeguard against that? 
3:43 a.m.
HOTZE wrote:
cover with rubber on the outside. I had it IN THE OPEN for about 3 weeks, and
Hey, most of my PC hard drives are out in the open, and have been for
years. In fact, I really hope my case screws weren't going to be
collectors items. They kept getting in the way of reconfiguring my
machines until they eventually got lost.
--
Ward Griffiths
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails
of the last priest." [Denis Diderot, "Dithyrambe sur la fete de rois"]
3:37 a.m.
PG Manney wrote:
I dunno...I dropped one off my desk (2 1/2 ft), and it survived fine.
I dropped a 1.2 GB HDD (WD, I think) BRAND NEW off my desk onto a carpet,
and it died (couldn't have been a ST-157, no-o-o-o.) Depends on how it
bounces, I guess.
Anyone wanna try this with a 9 gig, in the interests of science?
Sure. Ship it to me. (Oh, you meant _mine_?)
--
Ward Griffiths
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails
of the last priest." [Denis Diderot, "Dithyrambe sur la fete de rois"]
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