21 May
1998
21 May
'98
8:39 a.m.
I was told that most of these were pitched when they were replaced due
to security concerns. Any truth to this rumor?
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Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 5/21/98 1:26 PM
Marty wrote:
Speaking of Zenith 248 computers, does anybody have a
guesstimate on
the amount of tempested Zenith 248's produced? They typically are
labelled Zenith Inteq.
We had 25 of them in one course area on Chanute AFB prior to it's close and
there
were a lot of other secure areas that had requirements for them too. So just
on
one
base you're probably looking at a few thousand. I don't even want to guess
what
the
overall number was just for the USAF let alone the entire production cycle of
the
Inteq.
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22 May
22 May
4:12 a.m.
Marty wrote:
I was told that most of these were pitched when they
were replaced due
to security concerns. Any truth to this rumor?
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Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 5/21/98 1:26 PM
Marty wrote:
Most were sold at auction for pennies at govt surplus sales, mostly due to being
"obsolete: for the puroose they served. Why not buy new all the time when it's
someone else's money you're spending?
Speaking of Zenith 248 computers, does anybody
have a guesstimate on
the amount of tempested Zenith 248's produced? They typically are
labelled Zenith Inteq.
We had 25 of them in one course area on Chanute AFB prior to it's close and
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5:19 p.m.
Russ/Alice Blakeman wrote:
Most were sold at auction for pennies at govt surplus
sales, mostly due to being
"obsolete: for the puroose they served. Why not buy new all the time when it's
someone else's money you're spending?
Easy, Russ. People might think you're a libertarian or something.
--
Ward Griffiths
They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
10:16 p.m.
Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
Russ/Alice Blakeman wrote:
It's jealousy really. I'm sure most of us wish we could buy top of the line
machines
for ourselves with someone else covering whatever the amount might be. I actually got
to use some of those $250 hammers and $190 screwdrivers while I was a missile
maintainer.
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Most were sold at auction for pennies at govt
surplus sales, mostly due to being
"obsolete: for the puroose they served. Why not buy new all the time when it's
someone else's money you're spending?
Easy, Russ. People might think you're a libertarian or something
23 May
23 May
3:37 a.m.
Russ/Alice Blakeman wrote:
Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
Yes, I used to sit on some of the $5000 toilet seats when I was in the
USAF. But the $190 screwdrivers broke easier than my $1.90 Craftsman.
(They wouldn't let Avionics techs have hammers -- might have encouraged
us to use them to fix the _real_ source of most of the problems, the
stick actuators [pilots]).
--
Ward Griffiths
They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
Russ/Alice Blakeman wrote:
It's jealousy really. I'm sure most of us wish we could buy top of the line
machines
for ourselves with someone else covering whatever the amount might be. I actually got
to use some of those $250 hammers and $190 screwdrivers while I was a missile
maintainer. Most were sold at auction for pennies at govt
surplus sales, mostly due to being
"obsolete: for the puroose they served. Why not buy new all the time when it's
someone else's money you're spending?
Easy, Russ. People might think you're a libertarian or something
24 May
24 May
6:42 a.m.
Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
Yes, I used to sit on some of the $5000 toilet seats
when I was in the
USAF. But the $190 screwdrivers broke easier than my $1.90 Craftsman.
(They wouldn't let Avionics techs have hammers -- might have encouraged
us to use them to fix the _real_ source of most of the problems, the
stick actuators [pilots]).
I know, we had "open between the headsets" as the probable cause of more
Sidewinder "no
tone" writeups than we did actual missile errors. It sure was amazing though that the
WSO's
actually were college graduates.
As per the Z248 topic we started on, I got three more yesterday and the seller told me
that
they were all totalled and just for parts. All three (at $5 each complete with 251-1
HDD's,
2 in each) are singing along smoothly and running Win 3.11 this morning. Amazing how they
came back to live after being pronounced DOA. They all have the Zenith low VGA video
card,
1.6mb RAM, 1.2mb and 1.44mb floppies, 14.4mb modems, and the Zenith VGA monitors, with
the
cooling fan built in.
Since seeing this on Zenith monitors a few years back I realized the benefit of it and I
always retrofit my own with their own fans and haven't had a heat related failure
yet.
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10:51 a.m.
New subject: Questions, questions (OT)
At 10:42 AM 5/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
Ward Donald Griffiths III wrote:
Sidewinder "no
Yes, I used to sit on some of the $5000 toilet
seats when I was in the
USAF. But the $190 screwdrivers broke easier than my $1.90 Craftsman.
(They wouldn't let Avionics techs have hammers -- might have encouraged
us to use them to fix the _real_ source of most of the problems, the
stick actuators [pilots]).
I know, we had "open between the headsets" as the probable cause of more
tone" writeups than we did actual missile errors.
It sure was amazing
though that the WSO's
actually were college graduates.
There's nothing surprising about that. In fact, I'd say it's to be
expected!
Joe
23 May
23 May
7:08 a.m.
New subject: If I had a hammer (OT)
At 02:16 5/23/98 -0500, Russ wrote:
It's jealousy really. I'm sure most of us wish
we could buy top of the
line machines
for ourselves....I actually got
to use some of those $250 hammers and $190 screwdrivers while I was a missile
maintainer.
But are they any _better?_ I mean, once you get to Snap-on, isn't a tool a
tool?
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24 May
24 May
7:07 a.m.
New subject: If I had a hammer (OT)
Kip Crosby wrote:
At 02:16 5/23/98 -0500, Russ wrote:
The whole debate on the specialty tools for the miltary was viewed as someone
buying "off the rack" tools for 1000% more than the actual value. The tools
usually came about as special tools, made to maintain or operate a particular item
of equipment of aircraft. We had screws on the Air Launched Cruise missile that
had a coin slot type head and the tool to insert and remove them was only
available (through contract) by the main contractor of the missile - Boeing, for a
specified period of time. The actual manufacturer of this special tool was Snap-On
and was no better than any other brand.
When I first started in the AF, we had toolboxes full of Craftsman, Snap-On and
other high quality tools. It also made them targets for theft, either while in the
tool room or before they even made it to the shop, by those left in charge of
their security. All of a sudden we started seeing KAL, Ivy, and other less than
desireable brands being stocked. The hitch was that they were throw aways and were
stamped with GSA designators to supposedly deter theft. All you former GI's and
Civil Service workers that snagged a yellow handled Ivy screwdriver should check
your tool boxes. If you have a tweeker that has "Ivy-GS" on the handle
you've got
a marked item. It does scrape off rather nicely with a pocket knife though. I
bought a handful of them at a Ft. Knox surplus sale and even though I have a
receipt, I just hate seeing that "GS" staring me in the face.Well, onto talking
about Classic Computers again..
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It's jealousy really. I'm sure most of us
wish we could buy top of the
line machines
for ourselves....I actually got
to use some of those $250 hammers and $190 screwdrivers while I was a missile
maintainer.
But are they any _better?_ I mean, once you get to Snap-on, isn't a tool a
tool?
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