22 Jan
2003
22 Jan
'03
6:29 a.m.
Greetings to all.
I hope no one will take offense to this request. Today in my mail, along with
the usual numerous classiccmp posts, were three messages of a very
large size. These three messages totalled 275 KB. AFAICT the original post
quoted an entire digest, and the replies then quoted the original message in
full.
Will you please trim your posts? Many list-members pay by the minute for
connection time. I myself use legacy micros to handle my mail; multiple
large posts cause severe constipation in these boxes . . .
TIA,
Glen
0/0
22 Jan
22 Jan
7:15 a.m.
Pay by the minute for connection time? You're getting screwed.
----- Original Message -----
From: <acme(a)ao.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:32 PM
Subject: A plea to classiccmpers
Greetings to all.
I hope no one will take offense to this request. Today in my mail, along
with
the usual numerous classiccmp posts, were three
messages of a very
large size. These three messages totalled 275 KB. AFAICT the original
post
quoted an entire digest, and the replies then quoted
the original message
in
full.
Will you please trim your posts? Many list-members pay by the minute for
connection time. I myself use legacy micros to handle my mail; multiple
large posts cause severe constipation in these boxes . . .
TIA,
Glen
0/0
8:14 a.m.
Pay by the minute for connection time? You're
getting screwed.
Not everyone is lucky enough to live where they can get highspeed always on
connections for next to nothing or dialup for free. List members in area's
other than the US often have to pay by the minute charges to thier phone
companies (this includes if they simply want to call across the street).
Glen is right, trim the unneeded garbage from the messages you're replying
to.
Although, if you're changing the subject line, some indication as to what
subject you're changeing from would be nice! (my pet peave)
Zane
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| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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8:19 a.m.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Daniel Hicks wrote:
Pay by the minute for connection time? You're getting screwed.
[snipped]
Yeah, like Hotmail is the Deal of the Century... I guess where you live
they never heard of the rest of the world, or that Classiccmp just *might*
be read in COTUS (Countries Other Than the US)... hmmm?
When I lived in India, my ISP charged by the message unit, it was not
uncommon for my monthly bill to be Rs. 15,000 to 17,000. And the Rupee is
48 to the dollar - you do the math.
Of course you seem to miss the point - that on a universal mailing list
like this, there is a certain etiquette that evolved so all users of the
List can gain maximum benefit - not just the vast majority of MS users.
I am running a strictly ASCII mailer - Pine to be exact, under a Unix
shell account. Mime, Base64, attachments, jpegs... and long, untrimmed
multi-hundred line (already-read) messages with "Me Too!" prepended is
what he (and I) (and many others) are complaining about.
Just FYI....
Cheers
John
8:40 a.m.
There's nothing wrong with Hotmail. And, of course, I realize this mailing
list has subscribers around the world. Mine was a sarcastic comment. It is
because it has subscribers around the world that I said that ... if everyone
griped and complained like he did, there would no longer be any useful
information mailed out. I subscribed because I wanted mail about "classic
computers" not about some guy complaining he gets too much mail.
Anyway, I am done with the subject, and await future mail that is on-topic.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: A plea to classiccmpers
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Daniel Hicks wrote:
Pay by the minute for connection time? You're getting screwed.
[snipped]
Yeah, like Hotmail is the Deal of the Century... I guess where you live
they never heard of the rest of the world, or that Classiccmp just *might*
be read in COTUS (Countries Other Than the US)... hmmm?
When I lived in India, my ISP charged by the message unit, it was not
uncommon for my monthly bill to be Rs. 15,000 to 17,000. And the Rupee is
48 to the dollar - you do the math.
Of course you seem to miss the point - that on a universal mailing list
like this, there is a certain etiquette that evolved so all users of the
List can gain maximum benefit - not just the vast majority of MS users.
I am running a strictly ASCII mailer - Pine to be exact, under a Unix
shell account. Mime, Base64, attachments, jpegs... and long, untrimmed
multi-hundred line (already-read) messages with "Me Too!" prepended is
what he (and I) (and many others) are complaining about.
Just FYI....
Cheers
John
8:59 a.m.
On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Daniel Hicks wrote:
There's nothing wrong with Hotmail. And, of course, I realize this mailing
Personally, I prefer not to conduct my correspondence thru a barrage of
animated adverts and relentless popups and other Crapola - YMMV
Anyway, I am done with the subject, and await future mail that is on-topic.
I consider this to be peripherally on-topic: you *STILL* left the entire
message appended to your reply - and *that* was the substantive puport of
the message that started this off, and I repeat the repectful request,
Daniel:
Please trim the previous message content from your replies down to just
the relevant lines you're responding to.
We all read the same mesages. And read them again, and again, as they
snowball into long, useless gobs of stale text and headers and cutesy lame
sigs... ;{}
It's a simple request - "Please trim your replies to the Claccisccmp
List."
Thanks Bro!
Cheerz
John
9:14 a.m.
There's nothing wrong with Hotmail. And, of
course, I realize this
mailing
Personally, I prefer not to conduct my correspondence thru a barrage of
animated adverts and relentless popups and other Crapola - YMMV
I am actually using Outlook Express 6.0, not the Hotmail website. Simply
setup a new account, and OE syncs and downloads the mail in your Hotmail box
to your local computer. Agreed, Hotmail, Yahoo, and the rest all have too
many advertisements, but I use this one so as not to distribute my real,
personal email account. There ... I included only the text that I was
replying to, and not the entire message.
9:20 a.m.
New subject: Back to old computers -- IBM PCjr
Back to old computers, I asked about IBM PCjr's a while back and did receive
a few responses, but no certain leads. I am still looking for a working
PCjr, or PCjr components.
Thanks
Dan
2:30 p.m.
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9:18 a.m.
Pay by the minute for connection time? You're
getting screwed.
1) In most parts of the U.S., business phone service is NOT available flat
rate. A business phone line (as opposed to residential) is charged per
minute. Not all businesses are willing to lie to the phone company and
try to claim that there is somebody living there in order to get an
"unlimited" residential service.
2) There still exist some remote areas of the U.S. that don't even have a
local dialup, even for AOHell!
3) there exist other countries besides U.S.; and policies and internet
availability can vary.
Besides, at modem speeds, who WANTS to retrieve a 100K message that only
has a paragraph of new content?
23 Jan
23 Jan
1:55 a.m.
Pay by the
minute for connection time? You're getting screwed.
[snipped] Yeah, like Hotmail is the Deal of the Century... I
guess where you live
they never heard of the rest of the world, or that Classiccmp just *might*
be read in COTUS (Countries Other Than the US)... hmmm?
Wasn't that Countries OutsIde The US ?
SCNR
When I lived in India, my ISP charged by the message
unit, it was not
uncommon for my monthly bill to be Rs. 15,000 to 17,000. And the Rupee is
48 to the dollar - you do the math.
And beeing billed by the minute online time may still be better
then any flat rate. For example, with the phone provider I switched
to recently (owned by the city of Munich), Internet access is
included in the basic service (20 Euro/Month), you'll get the
usual dozend of Mailboxes, 200 MB of mailbox, some 20 MB of
webserver space, and a dial in at1 Euro-Cent per minute online
time (ISDN 64k - double this for a 128k dual chanel link). An
online flat rate would be availabe at some 10-20 Euro (only
night or whole day) - roughly the equivalent of 1000 or 2000
minutes online time. Since the connection is billed by the
minute, and connect time is less than 5 seconds, you usualy
configure the router to cut the connection after a minute of
idle. If one isn't gameing all the time, a online charges are
for Joe Average below 5 Euro/Month. Well, I have to admit, these
numbers are based on my whifes usage, since I did subscribe to
their DSL service, which is still quite expensive. I pay a 57
Euro/Month for the basic phone service and a 1.5M/192k DSL
flat rate.
Still, I prefer to be billed for what services I use. The best
way would be a monthly payment of Zero Euro and all billed
based on what I'm using.
Of course you seem to miss the point - that on a
universal mailing list
like this, there is a certain etiquette that evolved so all users of the
List can gain maximum benefit - not just the vast majority of MS users.
I am running a strictly ASCII mailer - Pine to be
exact, under a Unix
shell account. Mime, Base64, attachments, jpegs... and long, untrimmed
multi-hundred line (already-read) messages with "Me Too!" prepended is
what he (and I) (and many others) are complaining about.
John, exactly my opinion here. And to me it isn't the online
time and the amount of money charged for it, it's all the
rubbish which I have to pass over.
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
22 Jan
22 Jan
9:22 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:41:26PM -0500, Daniel Hicks wrote:
Pay by the minute for connection time? You're getting screwed.
Newsflash: free bandwith is not available everywhere in the world.
Cheap broadband access is far less common than you seem to think, most
people worldwide (yes, as a matter of fact, there is more to the world
that the US) access the internet through:
- rather thin pipes (I'm sitting behind 64 KBit/s ISDN - which is quite
a lot),
- pay either for connection time or traffic volume consumed,
Besides, trimming the replies one sends is also a matter of politeness.
Regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
2:28 p.m.
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