11 Mar
2010
11 Mar
'10
2:31 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com> wrote:
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Bawls is good, but at my local store, I've run into a variant I like
more - "Antarctica" Guarana soda from Brazil. It's stocked in the
International aisles at the grocery closest to my own house (a Giant
Eagle) and the store closest to a friend's house in Cleveland - so
it's not just us.
It tastes a bit like Bawls (vs tasting like a cola or lemon/lime
drink), but I think it's smoother and less sour.
It's around $3.something for a 2L, so not particularly inexpensive,
but a nice treat.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaran%C3%A1_Antarctica>
I have yet to throw it into the rotation for a serious hacking
session, but with a day job sucking up evening hours, too, it's been a
while since I've been able to get my head into that mode for extended
periods of time. Summer is looking good (since I am consulting in the
educational world right now).
-ethan
When Fry's... Jolt cola... bizarre chocolate-flavored diet soda (Canfields)...
I swear by Bawls, and write a wide variety of languages on a daily basis. 
11 Mar
11 Mar
2:56 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Sridhar Ayengar
<ploopster at gmail.com>
wrote:
I had to swear off of all of this stuff. I drink plain unsweetened black
tea now.
At one point, I used to drink a lot of coke. I don't drink coffee, so I'd
stop at the clown and get a 32oz cup in the morning. Then I'd drink a can
around 10. Then maybe go to chilis for lunch and drink 2 or 3 of those 16oz
mugs, then another can later, then more for dinner. I added it all up and I
think and it was the equivalent of 13 cans of coke a day, iirc. Something
like 2000 calories and the equivalent of 196 sugar packets... every day. I
was 300lbs and couldn't climb a single flight of stairs without stopping to
take a break. I stopped drinking that stuff and went on a low carb diet. In
9 months I was 230lbs. Sometimes it sounds good to me and I'll get a can.
I can't get through the whole can without giving up. It grosses me out and
I'm cured for another 6 months.
High fructose corn syrup is evil. And I hear the phosphoric acid leaches
calcium from your bones.
brian
Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> When Fry's... Jolt cola... bizarre chocolate-flavored diet soda
(Canfields)...
I swear by Bawls, and write a wide variety of languages on a daily basis.
Bawls is good, but at my local store, I've run into a variant I like
more - "Antarctica" Guarana soda from Brazil. It's stocked in the
International aisles at the grocery closest to my own house (a Giant
Eagle) and the store closest to a friend's house in Cleveland - so
it's not just us.
3:12 p.m.
On 11 Mar 2010 at 13:56, Brian Lanning wrote:
Sometimes it sounds good to me and I'll get a can.
I can't get through
the whole can without giving up. It grosses me out and I'm cured for
another 6 months.
Yup, I gave up sweetened fizzy drinks and can't even handle a Coke if
someone offers one to me. Waaaaay too sweet with a peculiar medicine
taste.
One cuppa coffee in the morning (it apparently has some benefit for
prostate health) and plain old (Lipton's or whatever's on sale) tea
for the rest of the day. I do add a little brandy to the last cup of
the day, however. :)
Best advice I ever got from a doctor. Him: "Do you drink?" Me:
"Not really." Him: "Maybe you should start."
--Chuck
3:25 p.m.
On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Yay high-fructose corn syrup. I remember as a child in the early
1970s when Coke suddenly started tasting like crap. "Mommy, what's
wrong with my Coke!" I'm buying the "Throwback" stuff (sweetened
with sugar) every chance I get; it's wonderful.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Sometimes it
sounds good to me and I'll get a can. I can't get
through
the whole can without giving up. It grosses me out and I'm cured for
another 6 months.
Yup, I gave up sweetened fizzy drinks and can't even handle a Coke if
someone offers one to me. Waaaaay too sweet with a peculiar medicine
taste. 
3:31 p.m.
Yup, I gave up
sweetened fizzy drinks and can't even handle a Coke if
someone offers one to me. Waaaaay too sweet with a peculiar medicine
taste.
Yay high-fructose corn syrup. I remember as a child in the early
1970s when Coke suddenly started tasting like crap. "Mommy, what's
wrong with my Coke!" I'm buying the "Throwback" stuff (sweetened
with sugar) every chance I get; it's wonderful. 
15 Mar
15 Mar
7:21 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 11 Mar 2010 at 13:56, Brian Lanning wrote:
I don't mind it once in a while, just for a bit of variety - a glass once
every couple of weeks or so, maybe. Not keen at all on diet stuff - tastes
strange.
Sometimes it sounds good to me and I'll get a
can. I can't get through
the whole can without giving up. It grosses me out and I'm cured for
another 6 months.
Yup, I gave up sweetened fizzy drinks and can't even handle a Coke if
someone offers one to me. Waaaaay too sweet with a peculiar medicine
taste. One cuppa coffee in the morning (it apparently has
some benefit for
prostate health) and plain old (Lipton's or whatever's on sale) tea
for the rest of the day. I do add a little brandy to the last cup of
the day, however. :)
I usually have a couple of mugs of coffee in a morning, usually one around
6:30 and then another around 10:30 or so, then tea (Lipton, cheap and crappy
but I drink a lot of it) the rest of the day.
Best advice I ever got from a doctor. Him: "Do
you drink?" Me:
"Not really." Him: "Maybe you should start."
Ha ha - I've had exactly that same thing from a doc, too!
cheers
Jules
11 Mar
11 Mar
3:27 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Brian Lanning <brianlanning at gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Ethan Dicks
<ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote:
I enjoy unsweetened Green Tea, but Black Tea is a different animal.
Bawls is good, but at my local store, I've
run into a variant I like
more - "Antarctica" Guarana soda from Brazil...
I had to swear off of all of this stuff. ?I drink plain unsweetened black
tea now. At one point, I used to drink a lot of coke... 13 cans
of coke a day...
That is a lot, no arguing that.
... 2000 calories... equivalent of 196 sugar
packets... every day. ?I
was 300lbs... stopped drinking that stuff... In 9 months I was 230lbs.
That's a big change, but 2000 calories in Sucrose/Fructose per day is
indeed formidable.
High fructose corn syrup is evil. ?And I hear the
phosphoric acid leaches
calcium from your bones.
Refined cane sugar (sucrose) isn't really any less evil, chemically,
than HFCS, but it tastes better.
I never consumed sugared drinks in those quantities, but I did drink
larger amounts when I was in college, to be fair.
These days, it's an occasional indulgence, not a habit. As such, I
don't find the odd Coke now and then to be repulsive, nor do I crave
it daily.
-ethan
3:51 p.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
Refined cane sugar (sucrose) isn't really any less
evil, chemically,
than HFCS, but it tastes better.
Actually it is. While too much sugar in your blood is bad from an
insulin level and resistance point of view, the glucose part of sucrose
can be metabolized by any cell in your body. fructose OTOH can only be
metabolized by liver cells, and in the process causes damage to your
liver - as much as alcohol, and in the same ways, without any of the
enjoyment.
see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
That new agave syrup stuff is an abomination, it's a super high fructose
syrup.
3:59 p.m.
Cane sugar and HFCS have about the same ratio of glucose to fructose. Sucrose is broken
down into glucose and fructose during digestion.
On Mar 11, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Ray Arachelian wrote:
Ethan Dicks wrote:
Refined cane sugar (sucrose) isn't really any
less evil, chemically,
than HFCS, but it tastes better.
Actually it is. While too much sugar in your blood is bad from an
insulin level and resistance point of view, the glucose part of sucrose
can be metabolized by any cell in your body. fructose OTOH can only be
metabolized by liver cells, and in the process causes damage to your
liver - as much as alcohol, and in the same ways, without any of the
enjoyment.
see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
That new agave syrup stuff is an abomination, it's a super high fructose
syrup.
5:17 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Ray Arachelian <ray at arachelian.com> wrote:
Ethan Dicks wrote:
Agreed.
Refined cane sugar (sucrose) isn't really any
less evil, chemically,
than HFCS, but it tastes better.
Actually it is. ?While too much sugar in your blood is bad from an
insulin level and resistance point of view, the glucose part of sucrose
can be metabolized by any cell in your body. ?fructose OTOH can only be
metabolized by liver cells, and in the process causes damage to your
liver - as much as alcohol, and in the same ways, without any of the
enjoyment.
Also agreed.
Sucrose is a disaccharide consisting of one glucose linked to one
fructose. Pure sucrose is, therefore, exactly 50% glucose and 50%
fructose.
HFCS is a complex mix of compounds with various formulations. The one
that I'm most aware of is "HFCS 55" which is 55% fructose and 45%
glucose (I've just been reading about HFCS 42, used in baked goods,
but when people are talking about "evil HFCS", they mean HFCS 55).
It's called _HF_CS because it has a higher concentration of fructose
than "pure corn syrup" (which is, AFAIK, pretty much all glucose), not
because it's all that much higher than sucrose.
Substitute those numbers in the sentence above and you get...
"50/50 isn't really less evil, chemically, than 55/45, but it tastes
better."
Perhaps it's 5% less evil than HFCS?
I am enjoying the cane sugar renaissance - I think cane sugar
sweetened caffeinated beverages taste substantially better - i.e., the
way they used to taste in the US when we were kids (and the way they
taste the rest of the world over where corn products cost more).
In relation to hacking - on a warm summer evening, an icy-cold
sucrose-sweetened Coke (plus an optional "circular debugger") is a
great way to keep in a hackish state of mind for hours. The effect is
heightened when preceded by a Cantonese or Szechuan evening meal
(cardboard cartons optional). I have produced some great code with
such preparations.
Consider them all material components for the spell "Create Wizardly
Hack" - tamper with the ingredients at your own peril.
-ethan
5:25 p.m.
I gave up drinking cola with caffeine and now mostly drink 7-up with
artificial sweeteners (you end up getting a sweet tooth late in the day).
I used to guzzle mountain dew in the morning when I worked and I found if I
didn't my mind would be a little cloudy until I did so I gave it up.
Yes, you do lose a bunch of weight when switching to diet pop, but you gain
it back slowly when you get a craving for sweets (you body doesn'y like to
be fooled by fake sweetener).
Look at the contents of anything made in the US (toothpaste, tomatoe sause,
packaged food, etc), they all have sweetener in it.
I used to love orange crush back when it was in bottles and had sugar. Even
with the lined aluminum cans you still get a slight metalic taste.
15 Mar
15 Mar
5:44 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Teo Zenios" <teoz at neo.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Caffeine and hacking (was Re: Soldering)
I gave up drinking cola with caffeine and now mostly
drink 7-up with
artificial sweeteners (you end up getting a sweet tooth late in the day).
I used to guzzle mountain dew in the morning when I worked and I found if
I
didn't my mind would be a little cloudy until I
did so I gave it up.
Yes, you do lose a bunch of weight when switching to diet pop, but you
gain
it back slowly when you get a craving for sweets (you
body doesn'y like to
be fooled by fake sweetener).
You can say that again (the bit in brackets in the last sentence). If I
drink Diet Cola it makes me sick, as in regurgitating what I ate recently.
So I stay well away from diet drinks... but I have a few other allergies too
(hayfever, asthma, eczema and certain plastics cause irration to my skin
after contact for 5-10 minutes). I suppose I should count myself lucky that
I'm not allergic to sunlight.
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
6:49 p.m.
Andrew Burton wrote:
You can say that again (the bit in brackets in the
last sentence). If I
drink Diet Cola it makes me sick, as in regurgitating what I ate recently.
So I stay well away from diet drinks... but I have a few other allergies too
(hayfever, asthma, eczema and certain plastics cause irration to my skin
after contact for 5-10 minutes). I suppose I should count myself lucky that
I'm not allergic to sunlight.
What about the other programing food: Pizza?
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
8:15 p.m.
On 15 Mar 2010 at 16:49, Ben wrote:
What about the other programing food: Pizza?
I eat pizza, but I make it from scratch. The stuff sold from the
chain outfits (Pizza Hut, etc.) is really dreadful and tends to make
me sick. Good flour, cheese, tomatoes, garlic and olive oil is all
you really need.
--Chuck
18 Mar
18 Mar
5:55 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: Caffeine and hacking (was Re: Soldering)
On 15 Mar 2010 at 16:49, Ben wrote:
I once made my own Pizza at school. It wasn't bad, but I prefer to buy mine
ready-made at the local shop and just heat it up. Oh, I don't like garlic
either (so come and get me vampires!)
I wonder if you could get a computer (or robot) to make the perfect pizza?
(NB: definition of perfect varies with each person!)
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
What about the other programing food: Pizza?
I eat pizza, but I make it from scratch. The stuff sold from the
chain outfits (Pizza Hut, etc.) is really dreadful and tends to make
me sick. Good flour, cheese, tomatoes, garlic and olive oil is all
you really need.
--Chuck
7:11 p.m.
On 18 Mar 2010 at 21:55, Andrew Burton wrote:
I once made my own Pizza at school. It wasn't bad,
but I prefer to buy
mine ready-made at the local shop and just heat it up. Oh, I don't
like garlic either (so come and get me vampires!)
An old acquaintance used to say "Peppers make it spicy, but garlic
makes it GOOD".
I wonder if you could get a computer (or robot) to
make the perfect
pizza? (NB: definition of perfect varies with each person!)
I think it's probably possible, but there are those of the serious
bread clan who claim that kneading the dough by hand is absolutely
necessary to incorporate the right amount of wild yeast (carried on
the skin) to get the best bread.
Anyone remember the short-lived high-tech venture to provide fresh-
cooked vending-machine french fries ("chips" or "pommes frites")?
--Chuck
5:47 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Caffeine and hacking (was Re: Soldering)
I have no problems with Pizza (have it for my evening meal every Tuesday),
but I like to keep food and drink away from my computers. I don't fancy
cleaning a keyboard or trying to pry food out from their internals. Besides,
once I'm in "the zone" I can keep going for a few hours without realising
how much time has passed by :)
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
Andrew Burton wrote:
> You can say that again (the bit in brackets in the last sentence). If I
> drink Diet Cola it makes me sick, as in regurgitating what I ate
recently.
> So I stay well away from diet drinks... but I
have a few other allergies
too
> (hayfever, asthma, eczema and certain plastics
cause irration to my skin
> after contact for 5-10 minutes). I suppose I should count myself lucky
that
I'm not
allergic to sunlight.
What about the other programing food: Pizza?
11 Mar
11 Mar
5:32 p.m.
Refined cane
sugar (sucrose) isn't really any less evil, chemically,
than HFCS, but it tastes better.
Actually it is. While too much sugar in your blood is bad from an
insulin level and resistance point of view, the glucose part of sucrose
can be metabolized by any cell in your body. fructose OTOH can only be
metabolized by liver cells, and in the process causes damage to your
liver - as much as alcohol, and in the same ways, without any of the
enjoyment.
see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
That new agave syrup stuff is an abomination, it's a super high fructose
syrup.
5:37 p.m.
One thing to note about fructose as well.. it's in all fruit. Not exactly evil.
On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
K, time for medical reality before this swings too wide.
- Truth: fructose metabolism is essentially exclusive to the liver.
- Truth: people who report a large amount of fructose intake also have
higher rates of non-alcoholic steatohepatitis, and upregulation of the
enzymes responsible for fructose metabolism in liver biopsies.
- Not yet? truth: an actual smoking gun. Many such studies haven't controlled
for other liver-deleterious dietary problems (and to their credit admit
it), and because of recall bias, may not be able to control for it by
design. It is entirely possible that it's a marker, not a cause, and other
factors may lead to the liver damage. See, for example,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2423467/?tool=pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15051594 [full text available]
If we wanted to be totally non-evil, then we should be all eating glucose,
but if you've tasted glucose you will also realize that based on the taste
demands of the populace, that won't happen.
--
------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com
-- Mistakes are often the stepping stones to catastrophic failure. ------------
Refined cane sugar (sucrose) isn't really any less
evil, chemically,
than HFCS, but it tastes better.
Actually it is. While too much sugar in your blood is bad from an
insulin level and resistance point of view, the glucose part of sucrose
can be metabolized by any cell in your body. fructose OTOH can only be
metabolized by liver cells, and in the process causes damage to your
liver - as much as alcohol, and in the same ways, without any of the
enjoyment.
see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
That new agave syrup stuff is an abomination, it's a super high fructose
syrup.
11:02 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Geoff Oltmans <oltmansg at bellsouth.net>wrote:
One thing to note about fructose as well.. it's in
all fruit. Not exactly
evil.
With fruit, you get all the other things associated with fruit. But even
fruit juice isn't really natural. The sugar is just so concentrated.
You're much better off eating an orange than drinking a glass of orange
juice. And high fructose corn syrup is franken-food.
brian
12 Mar
12 Mar
1:11 p.m.
Coffee with sugar: Only a couple cups of my evil brew or as much as a
quart of a 7-11's or McD's over several hours.
Red Bull occasionally, if I need a bit more stimulation.
There's always some degree of crash with caffiene so if I have
something to do I have to do it quick. Can't code or hack or analyse
on the crash.
A cuppa of PG Tips or such with sugar or honey every couple of hours
or so if I don't need a major caffeine rush for the day. It's
preferred when I don't want to be interrupted by anything, epsecially
restroom breaks. Bladders full of caffeine tend to derail trains of
thought and and tear up track as well.
If it's a cola with sugar, it seems better than a cola with HFCS,
which generally makes me feel rotten. A sugar soda makes me feel
better and doesn't make me eventually feel worse than before, like
HFCS sodas. I rarely drink soda and I definitely prefer the ones with
sugar, which definitely has a different and much better taste than
HFCS, BTW. I tend to stick with brands that exclusively use sugar,
like Jones.
I quit drinking diet sodas containing that alleged sweetener approved
by the remnants of the Carter FDA in 1980 after I noticed (after a
bout of flu) that I stunk of formaldehyde. And since then my brain has
recovered somewhat.
I couldn't help but notice that a marked increase in diabetes and
other digestive and liver problems seemed to correlate to the
increasing use and consumption of sweeteners other than sugar and
saccharins. It must be simple coincidence. Of course. Right?
==
jd
"Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It
eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation."
-- Johnny Hart
--
11 Mar
11 Mar
3:28 p.m.
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Brian Lanning wrote:
High fructose corn syrup is evil. And I hear the
phosphoric acid leaches
calcium from your bones.
According to my dentist, it is actually the dissolved C02 (carbonic acid)
that leeches calcium from your teeth, so all sodas (even diet ones and not
just phosphate containing ones like Coca Cola) are equally bad for you
from that POV.
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