Hello All. I've been keeping tabs on the complaints regard Jim Willing. I'm also someone who has items owed to me by Jim. Unfortunately, I just don't see this situation being resolved by Jim anytime soon. I consider Jim a friend, and I know that if it was within his means he would take care of this immediately. I've only known him to be honorable. However, he seems to be compounding one bad move with another, and the last thing I want to see is more trouble for Jim that he just won't be able to handle. As much as it sucks to get stiffed, getting the police involved or filing lawsuits won't make the situation any better. Jim apparently just doesn't have the resources to follow through on his commitments. The economy has ruined a lot of people, and it hit Jim hard, perhaps harder than most. Keep that in mind. That being said, I think the best way to go would be as follows: one or two people who are close to Yates Center, Kansas, should arrange a visit with Jim. They should bring boxes and packaging materials (tape, foam peanuts, etc.) Anything that can be packed and shipped should be packed up with Jim's help. Those packages and the remaining items should then be loaded into the vehicle and driven off. Jim is no longer in the picture and he can try to deal with life free from this burden. The packed items can be taken to the local UPS or Fedex center and sent off. The rest of the items can be distributed based on specific arrangements to be decided. I'm assuming that whatever money Jim received for both the items and shipping has been spent on bills, so it would be wise to simply write this off. Those folks who have already paid for shipping have two options: either send more money for shipping (to the persons who are handling the pickup) or try to arrange some way for items to be brought to them through some relay mechanism. I would also call on Jim to relinquish anything else of value that can be added to the load when it's picked up. These items can be sold off by a neutral party and the funds distributed proportionally to those folks who are owed money for shipping. I think the best way to coordinate this will be to have everyone who is owed something write to me, and I'll form a small mailing list so we can figure everything out. None of this is to be construed as my acquiring responsibility for this. I am just trying to find a solution that will remove Jim from the picture and get everyone their stuff. Everyone will lose from this, unfortunately. Jim stiffed a lot of people. However, there's no point in trying to "ruin" Jim. That's already happened. Getting him in trouble will most likely only guarantee that you'll never get what you paid for. The best solution at this point is to work together to resolve the issue in a manner that gets everyone what they are owed. This is just a suggestion. No one is obligated to adhere to it. Anyone is free to take their own independent course of action. That being said, anyone who is interested please e-mail me and I'll coordinate the effort. But this all rests on having at least two people near Kansas who can take on the burden of the drive and the effort required to retrieve the items. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]