On 8/10/2016 4:47 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote: Yes, most worms that attack such as web mail sites will harvest all the email addresses from the compromised account and seed emails to those addresses. In this case note the typical symptom, which is a large cc list. I don't know why the program isn't built to omit that, but cctalk seldom if ever sends any ccs. Same for Yahoo crap like this. Also note the compromised account may not be actually compromised where it is hosted and changing the passwords by the user on the list will do no good. finding a new email provider will. yahoo has had this for at least 10 years I know of, and I think it is an internal undetected fault in their servers that is allowing it. Just noting since I see many such emails both here and on yahoo group postings in groups I belong to. thanks Jim

Actually, it's really simple to stop spam. Simple, not easy. You just need to delegate responsibility along with authority when handing out netblocks, registering domain names, and the like. Today, this is being done in theory but not in practice, and I ascribe the worst of today's net's ills to the responsibility/authority mismatch. But, of course, it can't work without the will to enforce it at the top of the pyramid, and I see no sign of any there now. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

That's a technical issue. The probjlem is not technical. In a civilized net, I could write to the postmaster at the host that handed me the spam, who would then either smack down their local user or chase the pointer to the next hop, as applicable. Postmasters that refused to act against abusers would find themselves without connectivity, because providers would enforce terms-of-service against them. (Providers that refused to do so would find themselves without address space and/or peering. This chases up the governance pyramid, hence the remark about needing will-to-enforce at the top.) Time was - say, back when Jon Postel, rather than the US Department of Commerce, was the top of the pyramid - back about when the MicroVAX-II was new, to put it in terms people here can relate to :-) - I could have lost my access for forging email. Today? Today I'd be surprised if anyone even noticed, much less cared. And nobody caring, and being permitted to not care all the way up the governance chain, is exactly the problem I'm talking about. I suppose that's what happens when you put the Department of Commerce in charge of something. As long as it doesn't collapse far enough to stop concentrating money in the hands of large corporations, there's nothing wrong with it. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016, Mouse wrote: I think it would be more effective to stuff the spammer into a Brazen Bull and then force his children/family members to light the fire. Televise it across all media outlets. Spam should slow to a tiny, tiny, trickle after one or two of these little events... g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

Cisin Firstly, there are many types of unwanted e-mail, and using the term SPAM to cover them all is a dis-service. A lot of reported SPAM simply comes from lists folks have signed up to, and who can't be bothered to un-sign themselves off the list. The e-mail in question was not one of those, it was almost certainly sent by a criminal attempting to steal and re-sell some ones credentials. I am fairly certain the e-mail originated from 102.47.65.89. Sticking that into an Internet Search engine reports... IP General Information IP Address: 103.47.65.89 Hostname: 103.47.65.89 ISP: Zapbytes Technologies Pvt. Geolocation Information Continent: Asia (AS) Country: India (IN) IN City: Delhi Latitude: 28.6667 (28?40'0.12" N), Longitude: 77.2167 (77?13'0.12" N) I doubt it, some one will invent a religion that says tortured spammers get to heaven first...... Dave G4UGM

Using the term SPAM to cover any of them is a disservice - to Hormel, who has been relatively gracious about the use of "spam" for something other than their product. Of course, posting on a list like this is not something trademark law generally applies to, so it us unlikely to lead to immediate legal repurcussions. But it is good to get into appropriate habits, and it is good to try to cooperate with companies who are trying to cooperate with us. It can still be spam. It was unsolicited and it was email; the only leg of the UBE tripod that's questionable is the "bulk" one, and I have little doubt there. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:48 AM, ANDY HOLT <andy.holt at tesco.net> wrote: "Every time you send a spam message, you kill a kitten. Think of the kittens. Unless you're a dog person - then think of the puppies." -- Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> University of Washington There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

Re: spam Yes... it's rare, but it does once in a great while make it to the list. Either one of the moderators accidentally approved it, or, it was sent by a listmember that's subscribed and automatically gets through. I think that 100% of the list spam in recent memory has been originating from the same member account, not positive though. I'll look in to it.... J