27 Mar
2001
27 Mar
'01
4:27 a.m.
The March winds have been unsurpassed at depositing Macintosh parts at my
feet. Last week, at my new job, a new co-worker gave me a pair of AAUI
10BaseT transceivers; the show at Dayton disgorged a Quadra 660AV; and the
university surplus turned out to be a gold mine. For $5 each, I picked up
a 15" Mac monitor, two LC IIIs, two IIsis, an external 170Mb disk, and an Apple
external 80Mb disk. I got for free from the cable bin, some LocalTalk cables,
three LocalTalk dongles, one PhoneNet dongle (w/terminator) and three data-
center-grade AUI cables, including a DEC-branded one (perfect for my VAX8200)
Most of these accessories I've been looking for with some intensity of late.
In amongst the bits were Ethernet cards all around. I picked up the IIsis,
not for themselves, but because ISTR that the IIsi PDS slot is compatible
with the PDS slot on the SE/30. If so, then I can finally stick that SE/30
on my network without using up my one and only SCSI<->Ethernet dongle. A
surprise in the lot was inside one of the LC IIIs - an Apple IIe card. It
stood out because of the DB44? connector on the back, rather than the expected
RJ-45. I have heard of the Apple IIe compatibility card, but where can I find
a cable for this connector, which I presume is for attaching an external drive
to? I haven't gotten home yet, so I have no idea if there is software on the
Mac's drive to control it, but I hope there is.
Finally, now that I have an abundance of Ethernet-capable Macs, I want to turn
to a long-standing project - turning a Mac into an Ethernet<->LocalTalk print
server. I don't care if I have to sacrifice one of my larger Macs and run
a variety of UNIX, but what I want is to be able to print from other machines,
UNIX, Windoze, Amiga, etc., over whatever protocol I can manage to universally
support, and print to this HP Deskwriter 660 that is sitting here, lonely.
Additionally, I could drive an HP LaserJet 4/ML over the LocalTalk port from
the same print server. Are there any packages for the Mac that will let me
share the printer with non-Apple-based machines? Is there something like
CAP (Columbua AppleTalk Protocol?) for Windoze? (I've used it with Linux)
I am not a Mac newbie, but my experience with Mac printers is limited to "plug
it in, load a driver and go". I've never had to mess with them much, because
they are, in my experience, fairly well behaved. I will go RTFM once I know
where the FM is (and any software to go with it).
-ethan
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27 Mar
27 Mar
5:26 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 1:27 PM
Subject: Mac haul and print server questions
<SNIPPY SNIP>
center-grade AUI cables, including a DEC-branded one
(perfect for my
VAX8200)
Darn, all I could fit in my basement are the system boards of an 8600. Now I
just need a case...
surprise in the lot was inside one of the LC IIIs - an
Apple IIe card. It
stood out because of the DB44? connector on the back, rather than the
expected
RJ-45. I have heard of the Apple IIe compatibility
card, but where can I
find
a cable for this connector, which I presume is for
attaching an external
drive
to?
Actually I think it's one of those multipurpose breakout cables like the DOS
cards had. It provided Apple II Joysticks, disk drive, and I think serial
connections.
the same print server. Are there any packages for the
Mac that will let
me
share the printer with non-Apple-based machines? Is
there something like
CAP (Columbua AppleTalk Protocol?) for Windoze? (I've used it with Linux)
There was an old LPR daemon for MacOS, check the hyperarchive, that's where
I found it a few years ago. The LaserJet 4ML will definatly work as it's
postscript if I'm not mistaken. Just about anything can print to it. The big
Windows->Mac network app used to be called COPStalk, I think it became
PC<->MacLan. It lets you mount appleshare volumes and print to mac shared
printers. The inverse used to be called DAVE, I forgot what the new name
is.. Connectix makes an appy called DoubleTalk, which is very similar to
DAVE, lets you mount windows shares and share your hard drive and printer on
a windows SMB-based network.
4:15 p.m.
--- Jason McBrien <jbmcb(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Mac haul and print server questions
I used to support COMBOARD users from my basement seven or eight years ago.
It was easier to move down there than the 11/750.
...AUI cables, including a DEC-branded one
(perfect for my VAX8200)
Darn, all I could fit in my basement are the system boards of an 8600. Now I
just need a case... > surprise in the lot was inside one of the LC IIIs
- an Apple IIe card...
Actually I think it's one of those multipurpose
breakout cables like the DOS
cards had. It provided Apple II Joysticks, disk drive, and I think serial
connections.
Apparently. I think I have a lead on a cable (for more than the whole
computer cost, but that's the way these things usually work).
> ...Are there any packages for the Mac that will
let me share the printer...
There was an old LPR daemon for MacOS, check the
hyperarchive, that's where
I found it a few years ago.
LPR will help somewhat, I suppose.
The LaserJet 4ML will definatly work as it's
postscript if I'm not mistaken.
Just about anything can print to it.
It is; that's why I got it (and paid $1100 for it, brand-new). I wasn't
going to get a laser printer until I could afford PostScript. I just checked
tonight - 4700 pages so far. I just put _that_ one on an HP JetDirect
print server I picked up at a tent sale for $10. Works great.
The DeskWriter 660c is a LocalTalk-only device, thus the need for a Mac.
The big Windows->Mac network app used to be called
COPStalk, I think it
became PC<->MacLan. It lets you mount appleshare volumes and print to mac
shared printers.
Connectix makes an appy called DoubleTalk, which is very similar to
DAVE, lets you mount windows shares and share your hard drive and printer on
a windows SMB-based network.
Freeware? Commercial?
-ethan
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28 Mar
11:19 p.m.
At 10:15 PM 3/27/01 -0800, you wrote:
Me, I could not possibly afford a laser printer with the right amount
of memory, so I set up a ghostscript filter on my hp9000/735 and
I can print in color postscript on my lowly deskjet 695. Just had to
do some shell programming. In RH Linux, it is even easier because
gs filtering is a menu option during printer setup.
carlos.
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> The LaserJet 4ML will definatly work as it's
postscript if I'm not
mistaken.
Just about
anything can print to it.
It is; that's why I got it (and paid $1100 for it, brand-new). I wasn't
going to get a laser printer until I could afford PostScript. I just checked
tonight - 4700 pages so far. I just put _that_ one on an HP JetDirect
print server I picked up at a tent sale for $10. Works great.
-ethan
29 Mar
29 Mar
7:07 a.m.
--- Carlos Murillo <cmurillo(a)emtelsa.multi.net.co> wrote:
At 10:15 PM 3/27/01 -0800, you wrote:
Me, I could not possibly afford a laser printer...set up a ghostscript filter
on my hp9000/735 and I can print in color postscript on my lowly deskjet695.
Done that, too, but years after I got the HP. When I got the 4ML, ink jet
printers were much pricier than they are now. I think a decent one was
between $200-$350.
-ethan
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The
LaserJet 4ML will definatly work as it's postscript...
It is; that's why I got it (and paid $1100 for it, brand-new). I wasn't
going to get a laser printer until I could afford PostScript.
1:59 p.m.
At 01:07 PM 3/29/01 -0800, you wrote:
> Me, I could not possibly afford a laser
printer...set up a ghostscript
filter
> on my hp9000/735 and I can print in color
postscript on my lowly
deskjet695.
Done that, too, but years after I got the HP. When I got the 4ML, ink jet
printers were much pricier than they are now. I think a decent one was
between $200-$350.
-ethan
I think I started using ghostscript to render to printer on my 20MHz 286 back
in '90 or so... I won't say the exact type of printer I had, but
I used the "eps9high" device :-) . Printing was a tedious, noisy
affair. But I was printing postscript . My setup included emtex,
dvips, ghostscript, pcmatlab, msfortran, qbasic 4.5; it sufficed for most
of my master's thesis :-) . The 286 had 4MB of memory with DIP and
SIP sockets; I bought the parts from Jameco. I could avoid having to
walk to the UW-Madison CAE facility at night when it was 10 below outside...
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12:10 a.m.
Ethan Dicks skrev:
> The big Windows->Mac network app used to be
called COPStalk, I think it
> became PC<->MacLan. It lets you mount appleshare volumes and print to mac
> shared printers.
>
> Connectix makes an appy called DoubleTalk, which is very similar to
> DAVE, lets you mount windows shares and share your hard drive and printer
> on a windows SMB-based network.
Freeware? Commercial?
That's interesting, there was an Appletalk hardware/software solution for the
Amiga which was called... Doubletalk. It existed both as an external box for
A500s and a Zorro card for the big boxes.
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27 Mar
27 Mar
9:25 a.m.
surprise in the lot was inside one of the LC IIIs - an
Apple IIe card. It
stood out because of the DB44? connector on the back, rather than the expected
RJ-45. I have heard of the Apple IIe compatibility card, but where can I find
a cable for this connector, which I presume is for attaching an external drive
I have them, they split out two cables one for the gameport and one for a
chain of floppy drives, but you need to use just certain floppy drives (I
forget which). $6 plus $2.50 shipping in US.
Of the three common ways to run A2 software; a real A2, this card, and
emulation, the IIe card falls someplace in the middle of satisfaction and
ease of use. You get fairly seamless access to the features of the LC, like
hard drive and network, but I also remember some level of gripe about
problems with certain things. Most of even the copy protected games though
should work fine on the external floppies or even the internal maybe, and
thats a step ahead of emulation.
My personal planned Apple II army of machines are; (not the huge mess I
have, what I plan to keep)
A couple of the IIe cards in LC type machines. Wouldn't a Color Classic
with a IIe be great?
A couple IIgs, most likely networked to a AppleShare 3.0.4 server of some kind.
Two pairs of IIc/c+ because they are so cute.
My original II, much modified to IIe status with its Sider and Axlon ram
drives as a stand alone system.
Looking for a platinum IIe and a original II, a IIgs RGB display, and a few
of the standard everybody wants them goodies like Zipchips, MacMill, etc.
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