14 Aug
2019
14 Aug
'19
8:01 p.m.
> Al Kossow via cctalk writes:
> Buried in a filing cabinet in the basement with a
sign that says
> "Beware of Leopard".
Good one!
From: Seth J. Morabito
I'm going to respectfully disagree .. the
proliferation of modern
JavaScript frameworks that are designed to build single-page apps, and
make the web virtually impossible to scrape or mirror in an efficient
and simple way. ... every single page is statically generated at
publishing time and absolutely nothing is dynamic.
It's not clear that it's the dynamic nature of the content he's unhappy with;
it might just be that having stuff scattered across a zillion personal pages
(be they blogs, or whatever) is going to make it hard to find the useful one
when needed, and that's why he's cranky. (Well, more so than he usually
is.... :-)
If it's got something oddball term in the text, a Web indexer might be able
to find it, but what if your search term turns up 17,239 matches? Finding the
useful needle in the hackstack of crap on the current Web is a tall order -
so tall, that I suspect a lot of people don't even try, just shoot off an
email to CCTalk in the hopes that someone here will enlighten them.
I've seen a number of instances recently where people's questions were
answered on the CHWiki, but apparently they couldn't find it. So they
wound up asking here...
Noel
14 Aug
14 Aug
8:46 p.m.
Noel Chiappa via cctalk writes:
I agree, this is a very valid complaint.
The sheer vastness of content available, combined with a Google
monoculture, combined with a concerted attempt to GAME the Google
monoculture, is making search and discovery hard. I honestly don't know
what to do about it. I don't have a better idea, unless we go back to
something like a directory-style curated experience, a-la Yahoo! circa
1998-ish. Not that that doesn't have it's own horrible problems, of
course.
> Al Kossow
via cctalk writes:
> Buried in a filing cabinet in the basement
with a sign that
> says "Beware of Leopard".
Good one!
From: Seth J. Morabito
I'm going to respectfully disagree .. the
proliferation of
modern JavaScript frameworks that are designed to build
single-page apps, and make the web virtually impossible to
scrape or mirror in an efficient and simple way. ... every
single page is statically generated at publishing time and
absolutely nothing is dynamic.
It's not clear that it's the dynamic nature of the content he's
unhappy with; it might just be that having stuff scattered across a
zillion personal pages (be they blogs, or whatever) is going to make
it hard to find the useful one when needed, and that's why he's
cranky. (Well, more so than he usually is.... :-) Noel
-Seth
10:30 p.m.
On 8/14/2019 12:46 PM, Seth J. Morabito via cctalk wrote:
!!!THE CLOUD!!!
YOUR DATA IS IN OUR HANDS. JUST LIKE YOUR SOUL!
My real complant is WEB SEARCHS only match SPONSED items and the latest
buzz words. It gets worse on things like EBAY.
XYZ123 SERIAL card for ABC789 computer might have 1 out of 10
hits that is NOT WINDOWS 64 ...
Ben.
It's not
clear that it's the dynamic nature of the content he's
unhappy with; it might just be that having stuff scattered across a
zillion personal pages (be they blogs, or whatever) is going to make
it hard to find the useful one when needed, and that's why he's
cranky. (Well, more so than he usually is.... :-)
I agree, this is a very valid complaint.
The sheer vastness of content available, combined with a Google
monoculture, combined with a concerted attempt to GAME the Google
monoculture, is making search and discovery hard. I honestly don't know
what to do about it. I don't have a better idea, unless we go back to
something like a directory-style curated experience, a-la Yahoo! circa
1998-ish. Not that that doesn't have it's own horrible problems, of
course.
8:49 p.m.
"and that's why he's cranky. (Well, more so than he usually is.... :-)"
A wealth of vintage cmp information, but good heavens he is cranky.
--
Anders Nelson
+1 (517) 775-6129
www.erogear.com
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:01 PM Noel Chiappa via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Al Kossow
via cctalk writes:
> Buried in a filing cabinet in the basement
with a sign that says
> "Beware of Leopard".
Good one!
From: Seth J. Morabito
I'm going to respectfully disagree .. the
proliferation of modern
JavaScript frameworks that are designed to build single-page apps,
and
make the web virtually impossible to scrape or
mirror in an efficient
and simple way. ... every single page is statically generated at
publishing time and absolutely nothing is dynamic.
It's not clear that it's the dynamic nature of the content he's unhappy
with;
it might just be that having stuff scattered across a zillion personal
pages
(be they blogs, or whatever) is going to make it hard to find the useful
one
when needed, and that's why he's cranky. (Well, more so than he usually
is.... :-)
If it's got something oddball term in the text, a Web indexer might be able
to find it, but what if your search term turns up 17,239 matches? Finding
the
useful needle in the hackstack of crap on the current Web is a tall order -
so tall, that I suspect a lot of people don't even try, just shoot off an
email to CCTalk in the hopes that someone here will enlighten them.
I've seen a number of instances recently where people's questions were
answered on the CHWiki, but apparently they couldn't find it. So they
wound up asking here...
Noel
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