A couple of times, I've used old pie tins. I would make a mold out of something (like packed sand), and hold the pie tin with a tong-thing, and melt it into the mold using a blow torch. It's not the world's best thing, but it works pretty good for making things like wheels. -- -Jason (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#-1730318 ---------- <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edudastar(a)siconic.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---