14 Aug
1999
14 Aug
'99
8:50 p.m.
Very off-topic, but why is it that hackers are almost NEVER morning people??
I have a vast array of first-hand observances which complement my own
intuitive feeling, that buggerising around with computers is best done
around midnight to 2am. The best tech-heads are always "non compis mentis"
before midday.
Why is that? One of the unsolved problems of Computing Science ....
Cheers,
Andrew
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Corporation */
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Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 1:20 AM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: field maintenance print sets
[ ... etc ... ]
Gort! Remind me to never comment on threads before noon! (never fully
awake before noon) B^}
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15 Aug
15 Aug
12:33 a.m.
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Andrew McLaren wrote:
Very off-topic, but why is it that hackers are almost
NEVER morning people??
Because:
1) Coffee takes time to work
2) It takes a long time to wake up after two or three hours of sleep
3) Coffee takes a long time to work
4) Hangovers, etc.
5) Coffee takes a very long time to work and there's no Jolt around..
;)
Kevin
9:08 p.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Andrew McLaren wrote:
"It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of java that the thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire a shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion."
BTW I hate coffee, but drink fine tea by the gallon.
Very off-topic, but why is it that hackers are
almost NEVER morning people??
Because:
1) Coffee takes time to work 
16 Aug
16 Aug
1:45 a.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
Off-topic and all, I'm sorry I missed the original post on this. Getting
up in the morning is a running joke with my friends and I...
I do just fine as a morning person, if I don't go to bed the night before.
Otherwise, if some pressing need has me getting up inhumanely early, I
keep a caffeine pill and cup of coffee next to my bed at night. When
the alarm rings, I pop the pill and chug-a-lug the tumbler of coffee. The
caffeine jolt, combined with the horrific taste of stale coffee, usually
gets me up within a half hour or so. I wonder what my morning routine
would be like if amphetamines were reasonably safe and legal...
My other (not always successful) plan is to turn on the shower and drag
myself in, promptly sitting on the floor and falling asleep. After a
half-hour or so, the water usually gets cold enough to wake me up.
Although, I have probably brought myself close to hypothermia a few times
when it doesn't...
I have learned to *never* try sitting on the toilet first thing on a tired
morning. I've lost many hours and had to massage out many a forehead
red-mark from that particularly uncomfortable kind of sleep.
On a fairly early morning (good caffeine buzz),
Aaron
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug
1999, Andrew McLaren wrote:
"It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of java that the thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire a shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion."
BTW I hate coffee, but drink fine tea by the gallon.
Very off-topic, but why is it that hackers are
almost NEVER morning people??
Because:
1) Coffee takes time to work 
7:18 a.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:31:16 -0400 (EDT)
Reply-to: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
From: Max Eskin <max82(a)surfree.com>
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: late nights and caffeine
X-To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
>BTW I hate coffee, but drink fine tea by the gallon.
I use regular tea or orange proroke (sp?) brewed almost strong, milk
and bit too much sugar in tall mug in cold weather. For either way,
I drink COLA straight from can or glass bottles, not those generic
pops or pepsi, and any plastic containers that soft drinks comes in,
ick! Jolt have no effect on mine and tastes bit different from COLA
that I preferred.
Amen to that!
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
BTW, once my eyes open, I'm awake already then get up and act like
normal person without needing sim first thing in the morning.
But getting to sleep is different matter for me except I have to keep
my number of sleep hours at not more than 7 hours regularly to help
me to sleep easily.
Wizard
PS get some certain food in your bodies to help to give you energy
in the morning and afternoon. Especially that is easy to digest.
Some people like me have bit hard time digesting greasy foods and
certain ones like eggs, some foods etc at certain time of day or
on uncooperative sctomach.
11:33 a.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
I fear if I stopped drinking tea, I would vitiate the economies of Ceylon
and India.
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
BTW I hate coffee, but drink fine tea by the
gallon.
Amen to that!
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
11:46 a.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
I fear if I stopped drinking tea, I would vitiate the
economies of Ceylon
and India.
Oh, you drink _real_ tea, no Lipton? I'm slowly trying to stop myself from
using that trash, but it's so darn _convenient_!
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
1:49 p.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
Oh, you drink _real_ tea, no Lipton? I'm slowly
trying to stop myself from
using that trash, but it's so darn _convenient_!
TRASH!?!?! I *love* lipton and two heaping spoons of Coffeemate creamer. I
prefer that over coffee when I have time in the morning, but if I'm trying
to get outside in time for my ride to marching band, I just throw some
coffee and creamer in a cup.
Oh, and for iced tea, four bags of orange tea and four bags of Lipton...
in a Mrs. Tea pot ;)
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com) >
Kevin
1:02 p.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, LordTyran wrote:
TRASH!?!?! I *love* lipton and two heaping spoons of
Coffeemate creamer. I
prefer that over coffee when I have time in the morning, but if I'm trying
You should try loose tea. For one thing, I must say that green tea,
either bagged or loose, is excellent, sometimes better than other colors.
Lipton orange pekoe tea gets real boring, and it just doesn't have half
the aroma of loose tea. Today, I dipped a ball full of indian tea into a
cup of hot water, and the room smelled like I had a bouquet of flowers in
there.
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
2:18 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, LordTyran wrote:
In Peru, the tea of choice is Matte de Coca, or coca leaves (you need to
chew it with lime to make it the "good stuff" :) You can get Matte de
Coca tea packets, but some nicer restaurants (like the good vegetarian one
down the street I would often patronize) gave you a steeping cup of coca
leaves. I'd drink mine straight (no sugar) like I drink all my tea.
I drank it almost every morning and sometimes during lunch and dinner.
Matte de Coca, while obviously not caffeinated, did have special
properties. Purportedly, it was good for alleviating altitude sickness (I
was at ~11,500ft), good for your immune system, assisted digestion,
alleviated fatigue, and had a few other benefits (this is what was printed
on the tea packets :) I'd have to say it did live up to a lot of these
claims after having drank it for the better part of a month.
Too bad America has this silly aversion to coca leaves due to this
obnoxious and fruitless drug war we've been unsuccessfully waging for the
past 15 years or else we might be able to get some here.
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TRASH!?!?! I *love* lipton and two heaping spoons
of Coffeemate creamer. I
prefer that over coffee when I have time in the morning, but if I'm trying
You should try loose tea. For one thing, I must say that green tea,
either bagged or loose, is excellent, sometimes better than other colors.
Lipton orange pekoe tea gets real boring, and it just doesn't have half
the aroma of loose tea. Today, I dipped a ball full of indian tea into a
cup of hot water, and the room smelled like I had a bouquet of flowers in
there.
1:39 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
In Peru, the tea of choice is Matte de Coca, or coca
leaves (you need to
chew it with lime to make it the "good stuff" :) You can get Matte de
So, this tea does not in fact have any of the effects of cocaine?
leaves. I'd drink mine straight (no sugar) like I
drink all my tea.
We are much alike :)
Too bad America has this silly aversion to coca leaves
due to this
obnoxious and fruitless drug war we've been unsuccessfully waging for the
past 15 years or else we might be able to get some here.
For one thing, were you allowed to take a bunch with you? Secondly, the
drug war has been far from fruitless, I'm sure that proceeds from illegal
drugs and their control have funded many an election company. The 'silly
aversion' is, I think, a maturity issue. Just like many a kid can't resist
a smirk when someone says 'penis', many an American can't resist thinking
of drugs when they hear of the various plants from which these come.
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
2:54 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
Except I'm not a communist :)
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Unfortunately, no.
In Peru, the tea of choice is Matte de Coca, or
coca leaves (you need to
chew it with lime to make it the "good stuff" :) You can get Matte de
So, this tea does not in fact have any of the effects of cocaine? leaves.
I'd drink mine straight (no sugar) like I drink all my tea.
We are much alike :) For one thing, were you allowed to take a bunch with
you? Secondly, the
I could have taken home a box of the bagged tea but didn't. From what
I hear, U.S. Customs would have been very unhappy with me had I tried to
import coca leaves into the US.
aversion' is, I think, a maturity issue. Just like
many a kid can't resist
a smirk when someone says 'penis', many an American can't resist thinking
of drugs when they hear of the various plants from which these come.
Huh huh. You said "come".
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2:19 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
Unfortunately, no.
Unfortunately?
Except I'm not a communist :)
Wha.....?
WHY DOES EVERYBODY THINK I'M A COMMUNIST? IN SUMMER CAMP, I WAS VOTED
MOST LIKELY TO START A COMMUNIST MOVEMENT!!! I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THIS!
I AM NOT A COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*ahem*
And now back to our regularly scheduled program ;)
I could have taken home a box of the bagged tea but
didn't. From what
I hear, U.S. Customs would have been very unhappy with me had I tried to
import coca leaves into the US.
Did they actually check your baggage with dogs?
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
3:47 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
Well, you're certainly not evolved enough yet to understand and truly
accept Capitalism, so I can't call you that :)
Except I'm
not a communist :)
Wha.....?
WHY DOES EVERYBODY THINK I'M A COMMUNIST? IN SUMMER CAMP, I WAS VOTED
MOST LIKELY TO START A COMMUNIST MOVEMENT!!! I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THIS!
I AM NOT A COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*ahem*
And now back to our regularly scheduled program ;) Did they actually check your baggage with dogs?
Nope, customs was very painless for us both ways. When we got to customs
back in the US, there were three paths. Paths 1 and 2 led to a search of
your bags, path 3 led to freedom. The customs dude looked at our
passports, looked at us, and then directed us to path 3. Freedom.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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17 Aug
17 Aug
2 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
Upon the date 08:47 PM 8/16/99 -0700, Sellam Ismail said something like:
Path 3?? Jeeez, I saw your photo online re VCF and I find this extremely
hard to believe!! <G>
Regards, Chris
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On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
Well, you're certainly not evolved enough yet to understand and truly
accept Capitalism, so I can't call you that :)
Maybe "Socialist" would work? It's not so bad a moniker as it was back in
pre-70's/80's USA.
Except
I'm not a communist :)
Wha.....?
WHY DOES EVERYBODY THINK I'M A COMMUNIST? IN SUMMER CAMP, I WAS VOTED
MOST LIKELY TO START A COMMUNIST MOVEMENT!!! I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THIS!
I AM NOT A COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*ahem*
And now back to our regularly scheduled program ;) Did they actually check your baggage with dogs?
Nope, customs was very painless for us both ways. When we got to customs
back in the US, there were three paths. Paths 1 and 2 led to a search of
your bags, path 3 led to freedom. The customs dude looked at our
passports, looked at us, and then directed us to path 3. Freedom.
6:21 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Christian Fandt wrote:
Yeah, and an Arabic name to boot! Makes you wonder whether these guys
are doing their job or not.
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Nope, customs
was very painless for us both ways. When we got to customs
back in the US, there were three paths. Paths 1 and 2 led to a search of
your bags, path 3 led to freedom. The customs dude looked at our
passports, looked at us, and then directed us to path 3. Freedom.
Path 3?? Jeeez, I saw your photo online re VCF and I find this extremely
hard to believe!! <G> 
19 Aug
19 Aug
7:05 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
> >Nope, customs was very painless for us both
ways. When we got to customs
> >back in the US, there were three paths. Paths 1 and 2 led to a search of
> >your bags, path 3 led to freedom. The customs dude looked at our
> >passports, looked at us, and then directed us to path 3. Freedom.
> Path 3?? Jeeez, I saw your photo online re VCF
and I find this extremely
> hard to believe!! <G>
Yeah, and an Arabic name to boot! Makes you wonder
whether these guys
are doing their job or not.
I vote for 'not', but thats not that bad - last year, when I entered
JFK with two bags of classic computers, I realy tried to get them
'legal' into ... they insist in not checking anything for customs !
Gruss
H.
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9:13 a.m.
New subject: Airport Customs was: Re: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
Upon the date 07:06 PM 8/19/99 +0001, Hans Franke said something like:
I can't recall how you told me you brought them over (hand carry or checked
with baggage) but if they were checked, I'm sure they were sniffed all over
by the dogs in M?nchen Flughafen and x-rayed until they smoked. However, if
indeed they were hand carried, which I *think* I recall your saying, then
JFK security messed up.
Then again, I know you travel quite a bit and when they checked your
passport in that scanning machine the computer said "He's okay" probably
based upon info from Interpol, US State Department and various customs
agencies worldwide.
When I flew into Frankfurt back in '94 or '95 the customs officer just
waved me through without caring to even *look* at my passport. I then flew
on to D?sseldorf. He probably thought I was either a German which I often
was considered as in Bavaria (before I would open my big mouth and speak :)
or one of those US Military or Government guys who usually come through
> >Nope,
customs was very painless for us both ways. When we got to customs
> >back in the US, there were three paths. Paths 1 and 2 led to a search of
> >your bags, path 3 led to freedom. The customs dude looked at our
> >passports, looked at us, and then directed us to path 3. Freedom.
> Path 3?? Jeeez, I saw your photo online re
VCF and I find this extremely
> hard to believe!! <G>
Yeah, and an Arabic name to boot! Makes you
wonder whether these guys
are doing their job or not.
I vote for 'not', but thats not that bad - last year, when I entered
JFK with two bags of classic computers, I realy tried to get them
'legal' into ... they insist in not checking anything for customs ! from the States without any problem ever.
Makes you kind of wonder. The bombing at Frankfurt ten years ago or more is
still remembered by me and others.
Regards, Chris
-- --
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Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/
17 Aug
17 Aug
1:40 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
Wha.....?
WHY DOES EVERYBODY THINK I'M A COMMUNIST? IN SUMMER CAMP, I WAS VOTED
MOST LIKELY TO START A COMMUNIST MOVEMENT!!! I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THIS!
I AM NOT A COMMUNIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's nothing to be ashamed of, we're willing to look over this and love
you anyway (quick glane around my room reveals books on the history of
Russia, Communiasm, WWII, WWI, Atari Teenage Riot CDs.. in case you're not
into "Ambient Noise and Screaming," ATR is kind of an anti-governent
anti-communism group.)
Kevin
16 Aug
16 Aug
3:13 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
Had a little buzz on, did we?
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, LordTyran wrote:
In Peru, the tea of choice is Matte de Coca, or coca leaves (you need to
chew it with lime to make it the "good stuff" :) You can get Matte de
Coca tea packets, but some nicer restaurants (like the good vegetarian one
down the street I would often patronize) gave you a steeping cup of coca
leaves. I'd drink mine straight (no sugar) like I drink all my tea.
I drank it almost every morning and sometimes during lunch and dinner.
Matte de Coca, while obviously not caffeinated, did have special
properties. Purportedly, it was good for alleviating altitude sickness (I
was at ~11,500ft), good for your immune system, assisted digestion,
alleviated fatigue, and had a few other benefits (this is what was printed
on the tea packets :) I'd have to say it did live up to a lot of these
claims after having drank it for the better part of a month.
Too bad America has this silly aversion to coca leaves due to this
obnoxious and fruitless drug war we've been unsuccessfully waging for the
past 15 years or else we might be able to get some here.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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TRASH!?!?! I *love* lipton and two heaping spoons
of Coffeemate creamer. I
prefer that over coffee when I have time in the morning, but if I'm trying
You should try loose tea. For one thing, I must say that green tea,
either bagged or loose, is excellent, sometimes better than other colors.
Lipton orange pekoe tea gets real boring, and it just doesn't have half
the aroma of loose tea. Today, I dipped a ball full of indian tea into a
cup of hot water, and the room smelled like I had a bouquet of flowers in
there. 
2:33 p.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
Max Eskin <max82(a)surfree.com> writes:
You should try loose tea. For one thing, I must say
that green tea,
either bagged or loose, is excellent, sometimes better than other colors.
For hot tea, sure.
For iced tea, nothing beats Lipton. It's amazing. When I left home and
went to college I tried absolutely everything, and simply couldn't find
anything that made decent iced tea. Finally I called my grandmother, to
ask what the secret was. I was totally astounded.
In July, researchers announced the results of a study showing that black tea
reduces the risk of stroke and heart disease by a huge percentage, apparently
because it is high in flavonoids. (Red wine does this also.) Green tea
reportedly doesn't have much of them, and herbal teas have none. A quick
search doesn't reveal an online reference to the study (which I read about
in the San Jose Mercury News on July 9), but here are a few articles on
flavonoids:
http://www.amni.com/reprints/flavonoids.html
http://www.cstone.net/meditel/flavionoids.htm
LordTyran <a2k(a)one.net> wrote:
Oh, and for iced tea, four bags of orange tea and four
bags of Lipton...
in a Mrs. Tea pot ;)
I bought some sort of iced tea maker some years back, and was dissatisfied
with it. My sister tells me that the secret is to ignore the instructions
which claim that you should fill the pitcher with ice before making the tea.
I'll have to see if I still have the thing in storage, and try it again.
I haven't yet figured out how to work a PIC into my tea habit, though.
Eric "will program for iced tea" Smith
1:48 p.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On 17 Aug 1999, Eric Smith wrote:
In July, researchers announced the results of a study
showing that black tea
reduces the risk of stroke and heart disease by a huge percentage, apparently
because it is high in flavonoids. (Red wine does this also.) Green tea
reportedly doesn't have much of them, and herbal teas have none. A quick
Of course, drinking a little of each gives the benefits of each, plus it
keeps life interesting ;)
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
3:05 p.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
I haven't yet figured out how to work a PIC into
my tea habit, though.
Eric "will program for iced tea" Smith
Ahh, I was waiting for someone to bring this up.
As stupid/crazy/cool as it seems, there is a Linux-Coffeemaker-HOWTO.
Tells you how to use an SCR or a relay to hook up your coffee makes to
your parallel port, add a /dev/coffeemaker entry (basically a ln to
/dev/parX) and add a cron daemon entry to make your coffee each morning.
Scary, eh?
Kevin
17 Aug
17 Aug
12:39 a.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
Would it brew tea? That might be a useful little thing. There's an
online coffee pot somewhere in England. Strange no one has yet automated
a water closet or something.
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, LordTyran wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
I haven't
yet figured out how to work a PIC into my tea habit, though.
Eric "will program for iced tea" Smith
Ahh, I was waiting for someone to bring this up.
As stupid/crazy/cool as it seems, there is a Linux-Coffeemaker-HOWTO.
Tells you how to use an SCR or a relay to hook up your coffee makes to
your parallel port, add a /dev/coffeemaker entry (basically a ln to
/dev/parX) and add a cron daemon entry to make your coffee each morning.
Scary, eh?
Kevin
2:44 a.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
At 11:05 PM 8/16/99 -0400, LordTyran wrote:
As stupid/crazy/cool as it seems, there is a Linux-Coffeemaker-HOWTO.
Tells you how to use an SCR or a relay to hook up your coffee makes to
your parallel port, add a /dev/coffeemaker entry (basically a ln to
/dev/parX) and add a cron daemon entry to make your coffee each morning.
X-10 stuff is more flexible and probably less expensive. I jumped
for the $6 promo news-ertised on Slashdot a few weeks ago, and have
been sorely tempted to buy more, so I guess the plan worked. The
offer is still up there.
What? No one's going to stand up and defend the ice-cold can of
Diet Mountain Dew?
- John
16 Aug
16 Aug
3:42 p.m.
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Sean Conner mused:
Well, I guess we need some method of getting caffiene to work on our old
computers, and tea has been around for longer than 10 years, so I guess this
is marginally on topic 8-)
I've found the best way to make iced tea is to fill a clear gallon
container (glass or plastic, but it has to be transparent) with water. Put
in 6 tea bags (doesn't matter what type---I use the local supermarket brand
(Orange Pekote) with good results) and set outside on a sunny day in the
morning. Let sit all day. At dusk, bring it in, remove tea bags. Enjoy
with ice and store remainder in refridgerator.
It's not bitter, and it doesn't cloud at all.
I've never tried that method (though I've heard of it in a couple of
places). The method I'm familiar with for iced tea is simply to make a pot
of tea using twice as many tea bags as usual, stick a sprig of fresh mint
into the hot tea, put ice in, and drink when cold. Sugar helps because the
tea is unfortunately pretty bitter. But the mint is great.
Now if I only knew how to make masala chai like they make at Indian
restaurants... I have a recipe somewhere, I've seen it done, but I've never
tried it. It basically involves boiling tea with milk and spices for a long
time, and it's REALLY good. If you've had chai at the espresso stand and
found it cloying, you had it at the wrong place. True chai is not sticky or
super-sweet like the impostor stuff.
To keep this on topic... The RT-11 (or RSX-11?) installation program
determines whether your machine is using 50Hz or 60Hz power. If 50Hz, it
tells you to make a cup of tea (because the installation takes a long time).
If 60Hz, it tells you to make a cup of coffee.
-- Derek
It was thus said that the Great Eric Smith once
stated:
> Max Eskin <max82(a)surfree.com> writes:
You should try loose tea. For one thing, I must say
that green tea,
either bagged or loose, is excellent, sometimes better than other colors.
For hot tea, sure.
For iced tea, nothing beats Lipton. It's amazing. When I left home and
went to college I tried absolutely everything, and simply couldn't find
anything that made decent iced tea. Finally I called my grandmother, to
ask what the secret was. I was totally astounded.
17 Aug
17 Aug
3 a.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
Now if I only knew how to make masala chai like they
make at Indian
restaurants... I have a recipe somewhere, I've seen it done, but I've never
Quick Chai (in most of the world chai just means tea)
Put a spoonfull of pumpkin pie spice mix in a pot of water and simmer 10
minutes or more. Strain and make tea with most any decent black tea. Add
milk and sugar to taste.
3:32 a.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Derek Peschel wrote:
[snip]
To keep this on topic... The RT-11 (or RSX-11?) installation program
determines whether your machine is using 50Hz or 60Hz power. If 50Hz, it
tells you to make a cup of tea (because the installation takes a long time).
If 60Hz, it tells you to make a cup of coffee.
I remember this. I did an RSX 3.2 sysgen a while ago and it told me to
take a coffeebreak. Didn't look at the source for the indirect file
though...
-- Derek
jake
8:02 a.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Derek Peschel wrote:
To keep this on topic... The RT-11 (or RSX-11?)
installation program
determines whether your machine is using 50Hz or 60Hz power. If 50Hz, it
tells you to make a cup of tea (because the installation takes a long time).
If 60Hz, it tells you to make a cup of coffee.
Ah, because tea isn't as popular in the US as it is in europe...
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
12:36 a.m.
New subject: Hacker tea (was Re: Late Nights and Caffeine)
either bagged or loose, is excellent, sometimes better
than other colors.
Lipton orange pekoe tea gets real boring, and it just doesn't have half
the aroma of loose tea. Today, I dipped a ball full of indian tea into a
cup of hot water, and the room smelled like I had a bouquet of flowers in
there.
As someone that does coffee (programming fluid) and teas I would say a
good dark roast coffee, strong, Oolong or Jasmine loose teas are very high
on my list. Though a good green tea is nice too.
Allison
16 Aug
16 Aug
3:03 p.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
Well...I plead guilty to the using the bags, but real tea, not the lemon
and curried raspberry leaf type yuppie piss. I really ought to brew from
scratch, but that just makes me drink more, and it can get strong enough
to make Jolt look like lemonade.
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Max Eskin wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
I fear if I stopped drinking tea, I would vitiate
the economies of Ceylon
and India.
Oh, you drink _real_ tea, no Lipton? I'm slowly trying to stop myself from
using that trash, but it's so darn _convenient_!
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
7:35 p.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
Here is a little tea "foodchain". There are worse tea's than supermarket
Lipton tea bags, but rather than dwell on it I will just start with Lipton.
Lipton.
Tetly
Red Rose, Farmer Bros (restaurant brand)
Typhoo, PG Tips (cheap UK imports)
Trader Joe Darjeeling, Mountain View (Iranian brand)
Taylors of Harrowgate (non cheap UK import)
Harrods house blends, especially vanilla and afternoon tea.
Estate teas, the best product from the best plantations. These have
character much like wines and individual preferences will vary, so no
particular order other than my own preference.
Marget's Hope
Castleton
A "good" cup of tea is a worthwhile experience, and this isn't even
touching on all the interesting teas like Russian Caravan, Indian Chai,
vanilla tea, Dragon well, etc etc.
BTW a very nice Earl Grey is a Canadian brand, Star tea in bright red sacks.
I fear if I stopped drinking tea, I would vitiate
the economies of Ceylon
and India.
Oh, you drink _real_ tea, no Lipton? I'm slowly trying to stop myself from
using that trash, but it's so darn _convenient_!
17 Aug
17 Aug
12:46 a.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
I think the Lipton loose tea is superior to the bags, quite a bit
superior as a matter of fact. I prefer Tetly's British blend, and
Autocrat is a reasonably good domestic brand.
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Mike
Ford wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
On Mon, 16 Aug
1999, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
Here is a little tea "foodchain". There are worse tea's than supermarket
Lipton tea bags, but rather than dwell on it I will just start with Lipton.
Lipton.
Tetly
Red Rose, Farmer Bros (restaurant brand)
Typhoo, PG Tips (cheap UK imports)
Trader Joe Darjeeling, Mountain View (Iranian brand)
Taylors of Harrowgate (non cheap UK import)
Harrods house blends, especially vanilla and afternoon tea.
Estate teas, the best product from the best plantations. These have
character much like wines and individual preferences will vary, so no
particular order other than my own preference.
Marget's Hope
Castleton
A "good" cup of tea is a worthwhile experience, and this isn't even
touching on all the interesting teas like Russian Caravan, Indian Chai,
vanilla tea, Dragon well, etc etc.
BTW a very nice Earl Grey is a Canadian brand, Star tea in bright red sacks.
I fear if I stopped drinking tea, I would vitiate
the economies of Ceylon
and India.
Oh, you drink _real_ tea, no Lipton? I'm slowly trying to stop myself from
using that trash, but it's so darn _convenient_!
16 Aug
16 Aug
7:29 p.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
Lately I am really hooked on Trader Joes (weird smaller west coast market
chain) Darjeeling. Excellent hot or cold. I have a cold quart next to me
right now. Sweet clean taste and guzzles well. Ah, now its gone. ;)
BTW I hate coffee, but drink fine tea by the
gallon.
Amen to that!
17 Aug
17 Aug
12:47 a.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
Lately I am really hooked on Trader Joes (weird
smaller west coast market
chain) Darjeeling. Excellent hot or cold. I have a cold quart next to me
right now. Sweet clean taste and guzzles well. Ah, now its gone. ;)
They are in the Boston and NH area too. My favorite source of darkroast
coffee and yes Darjeeling..
Allison
8:04 a.m.
New subject: late nights and caffeine
On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Mike Ford wrote:
Lately I am really hooked on Trader Joes (weird smaller
west coast market
chain) Darjeeling. Excellent hot or cold. I have a cold quart next to me
right now. Sweet clean taste and guzzles well. Ah, now its gone. ;)
We have Trader Joe's here in Boston as well.
--Max Eskin (max82(a)surfree.com)
15 Aug
15 Aug
4:56 a.m.
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Andrew McLaren wrote:
Very off-topic, but why is it that hackers are almost
NEVER morning people??
I have a vast array of first-hand observances which complement my own
intuitive feeling, that buggerising around with computers is best done
around midnight to 2am. The best tech-heads are always "non compis mentis"
before midday.
Why is that? One of the unsolved problems of Computing Science ....
Because you generally don't get annoyed by people walking up to you asking
questions at that time. You can get absorbed inbto what you are doing
without being interrupted and losing your train of thought every time
someone bugs you.
Its a time when you can pretty much be anti-social and get away with it
for the most part.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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On 15 Aug 99 at 9:56, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Andrew McLaren wrote:
In earlier times, it was also easier to access the net and BBSs when most
people were in bed. I can remember after many repeated attemps to access the
provider during peak periods, I would give up in frustration and log-in after
midnight. Some of the more popular BBSs would supply statistics to show the
best time to be able to access them. And of course it would also tie up your
own phone-line.
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Very off-topic, but why is it that hackers are
almost NEVER morning people??
I have a vast array of first-hand observances which complement my own
intuitive feeling, that buggerising around with computers is best done
around midnight to 2am. The best tech-heads are always "non compis mentis"
before midday.
Why is that? One of the unsolved problems of Computing Science ....
Because you generally don't get annoyed by people walking up to you asking
questions at that time. You can get absorbed inbto what you are doing
without being interrupted and losing your train of thought every time
someone bugs you.
Its a time when you can pretty much be anti-social and get away with it
for the most part.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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12:53 p.m.
In earlier times, it was also easier to access the
net and BBSs when most
people were in bed. I can remember after many repeated attemps to access the
provider during peak periods, I would give up in frustration and log-in after
midnight. Some of the more popular BBSs would supply statistics to show the
best time to be able to access them. And of course it would also tie up your
own phone-line.
In my oppinion, better times, but that's just me.
I found that the best time for logging into my favourite BBSs (The Bad
Element II, Late Nite BBS, Liberty Line, etc) was before I left for school
in the morning (around 6:45).
Kevin
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