8 Sep
2008
8 Sep
'08
9:54 a.m.
From: pete at dunnington.plus.com
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> Then it's not very precise, because there is a difference. "benzine" is
> a generic term used in some countries for roughly what I'd call petrol > and
you'd call gasoline. "benzene" is a specific chemical compound > which
may or may not be found in benzine, but as it's a known carcinogen > it's now
banned in many places.>
Hi
I know how to make benzene.
Take acetylene and pressurize it to 4 atmospheres and bang, you
have benzene. With a catalyst, it can be done more sanely.
Dwight
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2:15 p.m.
bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca wrote:
dwight elvey wrote:
Take a load of calcium carbide and put it in water. Top with a gas trap.
Peace... Sridhar
I know how to make benzene.
Take acetylene and pressurize it to 4 atmospheres and bang, you
have benzene. With a catalyst, it can be done more sanely.
Dwight
Bang is more fun... Now how do you make acetylene again... 
3:41 p.m.
On 8 Sep 2008 at 14:15, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Take a load of calcium carbide and put it in water.
Top with a gas trap.
...and to make calcium carbide, take some lime(obtained by roasting
limestone) and some coke (obtained by roasting coal) drop in an
electric furnace...
And to make coal...
Cheers,
Chuck
5:19 p.m.
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 12:41:38PM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 8 Sep 2008 at 14:15, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Plant some nice swampy forests, let them grow for a few hundred thousand
years (with the old trees toppling and sinking into the mud). Then bury
the whole mess with a kilometer or so of dirt, apply plenty of pressure
and some moderate heat for a few million years. Now dig it up again ;-)
SCNR,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
Take a load of calcium carbide and put it in
water. Top with a gas trap.
...and to make calcium carbide, take some lime(obtained by roasting
limestone) and some coke (obtained by roasting coal) drop in an
electric furnace...
And to make coal... 
5:42 p.m.
Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Plant some nice swampy forests, let them grow for a
few hundred thousand
years (with the old trees toppling and sinking into the mud). Then bury
the whole mess with a kilometer or so of dirt, apply plenty of pressure
and some moderate heat for a few million years. Now dig it up again ;-)
And you wonder what to do with all the swamp land you bought in florida. :)
SCNR,
Alex.
5:50 p.m.
2008/9/8 Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at gmail.com>:
bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca wrote:
640k years should be enough for anybody.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
I don't believe it takes quite that long.
Peace... Sridhar
And to make coal...
You find a old swamp, and cover it for few million years ...
6:37 p.m.
ch wrote:
2008/9/8 Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster at
gmail.com>:
Excellent!
Peace... Sridhar
bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca wrote:
640k years should be enough for anybody. Chuck Guzis wrote:
I don't
believe it takes quite that long.
Peace... Sridhar
And to make coal...
You find a old swamp, and cover it for few million years ...
6:11 p.m.
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 05:43:12PM -0400, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca wrote:
It takes even longer. Most black coal dates back to the Carbon era
(about 300 .. 360 million years ago). Brown coal, which hasn't changed
that much from the original wood-in-a-swamp mix (we sure found plenty of
chunks of wood in it) is much younger, from the Tertiary era (about 2.6
to 65 million years ago).
Regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
Chuck Guzis wrote:
I don't believe it takes quite that long. And to make coal...
You find a old swamp, and cover it for few million years ...
6:40 p.m.
Alexander Schreiber wrote:
On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 05:43:12PM -0400, Sridhar
Ayengar wrote:
That is, if there isn't any metamorphic process of volcanic origin involved.
Peace... Sridhar
bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca wrote:
It takes even longer. Most black coal dates back to the Carbon era
(about 300 .. 360 million years ago). Brown coal, which hasn't changed
that much from the original wood-in-a-swamp mix (we sure found plenty of
chunks of wood in it) is much younger, from the Tertiary era (about 2.6
to 65 million years ago). Chuck Guzis wrote:
I don't
believe it takes quite that long. And to make coal...
You find a old swamp, and cover it for few million years ... 
10:10 p.m.
And to make
coal...
You find a old swamp, and cover it for few million years ...
9 Sep
9 Sep
10:04 a.m.
From: mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG
It takes even longer.
It has taken even longer, which is not quite the same thing. Do we
have any reason to think we know how long it actually takes? That is,
the time actually required, as opposed to the time taken in the cases
we've looked at?
Hi
In any case one can skip the coal method if one has some calcium
or lithium metal. Just heat the metal until melted in a vacuum and then
add CO2 gas. CO2 can be had from a number of common sources.
Dwight
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> And to make coal...
You find a old swamp, and cover it for few million years ...
I don't believe
it takes quite that long. 
3:49 p.m.
> And to
make coal...
You find a old swamp, and cover it for few million years ...
I don't believe
it takes quite that long. 
9:08 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
It has
taken even longer, which is not quite the same thing. Do we
have any reason to think we know how long it actually takes? That is,
the time actually required, as opposed to the time taken in the cases
we've looked at?
. . . and there are some folk who claim that you can make all that you
want in 6000 years, if you include a big flood, . . .
<flame off>
And then it will show up in another few thousand years as a string of
off topic postings on a classic computer mailing list.
Would everybody please resist the urge to post off topic one liners?
How many people need to chip in to what has degenerated to a worthless
thread?
<flame off>
>> And to
make coal...
> You find a old swamp, and cover it for few million years ...
I don't believe it takes quite that long.
It takes even longer.
8 Sep
8 Sep
11:45 p.m.
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:17:34 -0600> From:
bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> To: > Subject: Re: Paper tapes+rubber bands+30 yrs =
mess> > dwight elvey wrote:> > I know how to make benzene.> > Take
acetylene and pressurize it to 4 atmospheres and bang, you> > have benzene. With a
catalyst, it can be done more sanely.> > Dwight> Bang is more fun... Now how do
you make acetylene again...> > lithium or calcium carbide and water will make
acetylene.
Dwight
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