22 Apr
2002
22 Apr
'02
1:30 a.m.
On April 22, Raymond Moyers wrote:
I bet perl becomes bigtime on mainframes
This frightens me.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big."
St. Petersburg, FL -Den
22 Apr
22 Apr
2:29 a.m.
On Monday 22 April 2002 01:30, you wrote:
On April 22, Raymond Moyers wrote:
The 60 Billion fold increase in function ?
08:18:29 QUERY ALL
08:18:29 RDR 00C INT REQ
08:18:29 RDR 00C STARTED SYSTEM
08:18:29 RDR 00C READING FILE = 0001
08:18:29 PUN 00D STARTED SYSTEM CLASS = P SEP
08:18:29 PRT 00E STARTED SYSTEM CLASS = CALT SEP
08:18:29 GRAF 040 LOGON AS MAINT
08:18:29 GRAF 041 LOGON AS OPERATOR
Or do you think the above is what the mainframe
should be limited to ?
Or the wonderfullness of mvs and tso ?
00003 JOBS 00006 INITIATORS
00000 TIME SHARING USERS
00000 ACTIVE 00008 MAX VTAM TSO USERS
With wonderfull error messages like
- TSU 5 IEF450I HERC01 IKJACCNT TSOLOGON - ABEND S522 U0000 -
I mean .. comm on Mr Luddite ... linux is the best thing s390 has
seen since CP/CMS showed up
and to replicate the function of scripting languages ..
dont you use REXX at least ?
Common man ... did you lock yourself in a glass house
with a 360/67 and are still hiding from tha man ?
Things have been happening out here, we have had this
factor called "progress",, there has been advancement !
Raymond
I bet perl becomes bigtime on mainframes
This frightens me.
-Dave 
2:47 a.m.
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Raymond Moyers wrote:
The 60 Billion fold increase in function ?
08:18:29 QUERY ALL
08:18:29 RDR 00C INT REQ
08:18:29 RDR 00C STARTED SYSTEM
08:18:29 RDR 00C READING FILE = 0001
08:18:29 PUN 00D STARTED SYSTEM CLASS = P SEP
08:18:29 PRT 00E STARTED SYSTEM CLASS = CALT SEP
08:18:29 GRAF 040 LOGON AS MAINT
08:18:29 GRAF 041 LOGON AS OPERATOR
Or do you think the above is what the mainframe
should be limited to ?
Or the wonderfullness of mvs and tso ?
00003 JOBS 00006 INITIATORS
00000 TIME SHARING USERS
00000 ACTIVE 00008 MAX VTAM TSO USERS
With wonderfull error messages like
- TSU 5 IEF450I HERC01 IKJACCNT TSOLOGON - ABEND S522 U0000 -
I mean .. comm on Mr Luddite ... linux is the best thing s390 has
seen since CP/CMS showed up
and to replicate the function of scripting languages ..
dont you use REXX at least ?
But REXX isn't a big stinking pile of crap. And I use a whole lot of JCL.
Peace... Sridhar
I bet perl becomes bigtime on mainframes
This frightens me.
-Dave
2:31 a.m.
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Dave McGuire wrote:
I'll bet sysadmins will start uttering interesting phrases when VM kills
entire virtual boxes because there are perl scripts taking up more
resources than the system deems they should.
Peace... Sridhar
I bet perl
becomes bigtime on mainframes
This frightens me.
3:24 a.m.
On Monday 22 April 2002 02:31, you wrote:
I'll bet sysadmins will start uttering interesting phrases
when VM kills
entire virtual boxes because there are perl scripts taking up more
resources than the system deems they should.
And those business procs go down the BOFH that killed em
will be looking for a new job ...
There are over 10,000 Linux sessions on the machine @
http://linux390.nop.org
1000's opon 1000's of compiles benches test suites going
all at once ...
As for resources
[root /root]# w
4:15am up 153 days, 11:44, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT
root pts/0 fubar Sun 6am 21:23m 0.03s 0.03s -bash
root pts/1 fubar 4:15am 0.00s 0.04s 0.01s w
all of the 10's of 1000's of sessions have run un interrupted far
as we can tell
[root/root]# free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 127408 75860 51548 42796 47048 18360
That my small "piece" of the mainframe .. 128m of ram and a portion
of one CPU.
Perhaps you refer to a bonehead oper who wouldnt know how
to set limits on the guests so that 1000's opon 1000s of of them
can suck all the cpu they are allowed and still be playing nicly
with all the others ..
I see a faint image of a red herring starting to appear.
Raymond
I bet perl becomes bigtime on mainframes
This frightens me.
5:12 a.m.
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Raymond Moyers wrote:
[root /root]# w
4:15am up 153 days, 11:44, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT
root pts/0 fubar Sun 6am 21:23m 0.03s 0.03s -bash
root pts/1 fubar 4:15am 0.00s 0.04s 0.01s w
Do you honestly see Perl improving these numbers? FYI, I *own* an S/390
G5. I've *run* it. I know *exactly* what one can do.
Peace... Sridhar
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