Well, they are SCSI-to-Ethernet converters. Though, in terms of drivers, they are totally different. boxes: Kinetics -> Cabletron Compatible Systems -> NuvoLink SC -> Focus EtherSC Dayna Farallon / Sonic Asante What is somewhat interesting is that if you know the history of some of the companies and how the rest of their product lines changed hands, then there are at least two companies missing: Cayman Systems Shiva For most of the Kinetics products, there are Cayman, Shiva, and Dayna versions. The DaynaPORT SCSI-to-Ethernet adapter, however, has no relationship to the Kinetics one. Personally, I've always wondered if it had an ancestor product at Cayman or Shiva, but have never been able to figure that out. <<<john>>>