On Sun, 5 May 2002, Jay West wrote: I guess it is possible my address got harvested elsewhere...but where? I've kept the exposure of this address to a minimum till now, so I have to wonder about it. I'll probably never know who harvested my address and where they got it from...but if I ever manage to somehow find out who submitted it, I certainly won't go easy on them :) I've had the same address for at least 4 years, with maybe 3 spams the entire time up till now (those spammers paid dearly for it too...) This is the first public mailing list I've done much posting to with this address. -Toth

<aol>m3 t00</aol> Seriously, many E-mail archives either obscure the addresses contained, or only allow archives to be read by members. I'd really like one or the other available. I know Jay does great work and I appreciate his time and expense hosting classiccmp -- it would just be a useful and well-advised bit of security to add. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- God is the tangential point between zero and infinity. -- Alfred Jarry -----

Thanks -- it's very appreciated! -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Chemistry is applied theology. -- Augustus Stanley Owsley III --------------

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:55:32PM -0500, Doc wrote: I use mailman, and there's an option to replace member's email addresses in the archives with the list address. See http://www.sunhelp.org/pipermail/rescue/2002-May/055478.html for an example. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

Unfortunately, the substitution of the list address for the list members' addresses still allows the spammer to send his rubbish to the entire list, doesn't it? Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay West" &lt;jwest(a)classiccmp.org&gt; To: &lt;classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org&gt; Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Fresh Email Lists at Unbelievable Prices

No offense, but I'm not "playing ostrich", my sentiments were based on my experience as a professional sendmail administrator. One who deals with tracking down spam on a daily basis and knowing how the spammers work. I get paid for that. My pessimism isn't ignorance, it's experience. On the other hand, from my experience, I'm well adept at identifiying "chicken littles". I'm not saying that your address didn't get somehow harvested from the list. However, I am saying that you shouldn't jump to conclusions as there are many MUCH more likely reasons for your increase in spam than posting to a private list. As an example... saying that you only use a single address for this list that is different from all other email addresses you use, and that you haven't gotten an address harvesting virus since getting the address, and that you don't allow java or cookies in your browser - then one of my first conclusions would be that your email address got harvested here. But And then posts like this always spread like wildfire as another user or two chimes in "Hey, I just joined here and started getting spam too!" Geeze - look at the sample size people. As are a lot of mailing list archives. See comments below And how should I make that help go away - should I contact the author of majordomo and ask him to change his program? Why stop at him, maybe I should write a letter to all the authors of mailman, majordomo, listserv, as well as all the archive programs like google, htdig, etc. Yes, lets get them to take that functionality out of the program. The simple answer is, taking that out of the featureset (by them globally or me locally) solves nothing. The public archives and search engines (not just mine, but others, and all the google like things out there) snatch that info up regularly either way. And if you were thinking that I should just remove the help item showing one how to "harvest the list" as you put it.... think about it. The only people that will stop is the 10 year old kids. Anyone trying to really harvest something knows much better ways to do it anyways. Jay West