16 May
2002
16 May
'02
6:26 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Torquil MacCorkle III [mailto:torquil@rockbridge.net]
First off, since I wasn't able to send this to cctech, I'll
assume for now that the messages we send to this list are
automatically forwarded for approval, or something like that.
Does SGI have a timeline or anything up anywhere.
I am
wondering what
the first SGI workstation was(R2000 right?). I know they made
terminals
before that, But i am just wondering about workstations.
They have a "periodic table of IRISes." Google ought to have some
of them. Their first workstation was the IRIS 2000, I think. Or
do you mean desktop workstation? :)
The IRIS 2000 was based on a motorola 680xx chip of some kind.
Their first smaller workstation was a "personal IRIS" system. It
was a tower case. After that, the Indigo.
I know specifically that the first Indigos used R3000 CPUs, but
you'll have to look up the ones used in Personal IRIS and IRIS 2000.
Also look at IRIS 3000, and IRIS Professional (I think those are the
ones) systems, which were produced in between. (In that order)
Chris
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16 May
16 May
6:18 p.m.
New subject: [CCTALK] Re: First SGI Workstations? unix on 68k / mips
On Thursday 16 May 2002 10:26, you wrote:
The IRIS 2000 was based on a motorola 680xx chip of
some kind.
Their first smaller workstation was a "personal IRIS" system. It
was a tower case. After that, the Indigo.
I know specifically that the first Indigos used R3000 CPUs, but
you'll have to look up the ones used in Personal IRIS and IRIS 2000.
Also look at IRIS 3000, and IRIS Professional (I think those are the
ones) systems, which were produced in between. (In that order)
It seems everyone started out with 68k chips then mips then ...
didnt Sun use 68k then mips before sparc ?
My old sony was the reference platform for unix on mips
http://www.nop.org/misc/text/sony.unix.announcement.html
http://www.nop.org/misc/unix/sony
Raymond
7:06 p.m.
New subject: [CCTALK] Re: First SGI Workstations? unix on 68k / mips
On Thu, 16 May 2002, Raymond Moyers wrote:
Nope. 68K then (briefly, thank God) i386, then SPARC.
Peace... Sridhar
--
"How do you fight such a savage?"
"With heart, faith, and steel. There can be only one."
-MacLeod and Ramirez, "Highlander"
The IRIS 2000
was based on a motorola 680xx chip of some kind.
Their first smaller workstation was a "personal IRIS" system. It
was a tower case. After that, the Indigo.
I know specifically that the first Indigos used R3000 CPUs, but
you'll have to look up the ones used in Personal IRIS and IRIS 2000.
Also look at IRIS 3000, and IRIS Professional (I think those are the
ones) systems, which were produced in between. (In that order)
It seems everyone started out with 68k chips then mips then ...
didnt Sun use 68k then mips before sparc ?
7:52 p.m.
New subject: [CCTALK] Re: First SGI Workstations? unix on 68k / mips
On Thursday 16 May 2002 23:06, you wrote:
Nope. 68K then (briefly, thank God) i386, then SPARC.
Ok,
Yes the 386 caught me by surprize..
Re: L@@K R@RE On-topic posting! (SunOS4.0.2)
http://ftp.ecks.org/pub/users/eric/img/comp/386i
Where Alan was looking for SunOS media to resurect
his 386i
Its not too hard to put my finger on why im so fond
of old unix workstations.
The period that extends from when the best box even the
most upper class average joe nerd could afford was an altair,
surplus pdp11 or later a trs80's running newdos/ldos
extending on into the rampage/desqview and early OS/2 days
All this old hardware now on ebay for scrap was droolware
wishware, you certainly didnt think you would ever own one
of them.
Now CPUs run at microwave RF and even a cheaper crap
wintel board puts them all to shame. and a nice unix to
run on them is free w source. but that It hasnt done much
to quench those old flames of desire.
Raymond
10:35 p.m.
New subject: [CCTALK] SGI / DEC Flirtation with NT/mips alpha
On Thursday 16 May 2002 23:06, you wrote:
Nope. ?68K then (briefly, thank God) i386, then SPARC.
Then there are the other failed experiments where both
DEC and SGI persued the winblows holy grail, damaging
both companies.
Dec has out in the field a bare few of these NT running
alphas that for reasons im not certain of cannot run Unix
( something to do with the firmware ? other differences ?
thats my understanding anyway)
DEC also had some wintell hardware, and chasing the
commodity PC market played a large part in the companies
destruction IMO, leaving them weaked fodder to be swallowed
by Compaq.
If we was to count off all the former companies that are
under the HP umbrella now, it would make quite a list,
I cant name them all.
SGI did the same thing, they too chased the winblows
illusion with NT on mips and wintell boxes with SGI logos
on them, again neglecting their core bussiness and
expending funds and labor to enter a market where history
teaches mickysoft does not tolerate anything they cant
control.
But just like Porsche people dismiss the 924 as not being
a "real Porsche" the NT on alpha/mips and wintel hardware
DEC's and SGI boxes are not real DEC's and SGI's
in that view.
Perhaps in the Sun 386i we see why Mr McNealy didnt
destroy his company falling all over themselves at Bill G's
feet along with DEC and SGI, they had been there, done the
intel thing already. ;=)
Raymond
"The First Amendment...begins with the five loveliest words
in the English language: 'Congress shall make no law'."
--George Will
17 May
17 May
10:41 a.m.
New subject: [CCTALK] Re: First SGI Workstations? unix on 68k / mips
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Sridhar the POWERful wrote:
Nope. 68K then (briefly, thank God) i386, then SPARC.
I read somewhere, once, that between m68k and SPARC, Sun was on a bad part
of the price-performance curve and desperate to keep a couple of big
customers happy until SPARC was ready. The article suggested that the 386i
was mostly a touchy-feely for the NYSE wonks.
Anybody have anything to add to this story?
ok
r.
10:59 a.m.
New subject: [CCTALK] Re: First SGI Workstations? unix on 68k / mips
Anybody have anything to add to this story?
Wull gee shucks. I saw their first Workstation at Siggraph'84.
A little research fleshes this out some.
http://www.sgi.com/features/2002/jan/20th/timeline.html
"1984: Shipped first IRIS workstations" (period)
http://sgistuff.g-lenerz.de/machines/iris1000.html
IRIS 1400 Workstation _detailed_, 1984
"IRIS 1400 includes a stand-alone, 68010-based UNIX environment
(System V with 4.2 BSD enhancements...
The IRIS 1400 comes standard with 1.5 MB of CPU memory, 8 bit-
planes of 1024x1024 image memory, and a 72 MB Winchester disk and
controller. Options include additional CPU and image memory, a
floating point accelerator..."
John A.
2:27 a.m.
On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 10:26:47AM -0500, Christopher Smith wrote:
They have a "periodic table of IRISes."
Google ought to have some
of them.
You mean: http://www.sgi.com/features/2002/jan/20th/timeline.html ?
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
3:51 a.m.
On Friday 17 May 2002 06:27, you wrote:
On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 10:26:47AM -0500, Christopher
Smith wrote:
Try this one
http://www.irisindigo.com/periodic.php3
Raymond
"A belief in moral absolutes should always make us more, not less,
critical of both sides in any conflict. This doesn't mean that
both sides are equally wrong; it means that since we all fall short
of moral perfection, even the side whose cause is truly righteous
may commit terrible acts of violence in defense of that cause -
- and, worse, may feel quite justified in committing them. That is
the difference between being righteous and being self-righteous.
Moral standards are absolute; but human fidelity to them is always
relative." --Joseph Sobran
They have a "periodic table of IRISes."
Google ought to have some
of them.
You mean: http://www.sgi.com/features/2002/jan/20th/timeline.html ?
10:05 a.m.
On 2002.05.17 14:51 Raymond Moyers wrote:
Try this one
http://www.irisindigo.com/periodic.php3
Ahh. Nice. Also have a look at
http://reputable.com/~skywriter/snap.jpg
This is part of the "Big Old Nasty SGI" Page:
http://reputable.com/~skywriter/
--
tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
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