25 Jan
2019
25 Jan
'19
9:35 a.m.
Kudos to Jesse for working with me offlist, I feel I've gotten a good deal. I
appreciate the offers to help purchase, very much, but I got this taken care of directly
with Jesse and I'm happy.
We have to understand, as others pointed out, that if no one speaks up for stuff at a
price that can keep the parts houses in business then the parts won't be around. By
the same token, the parts houses have to know we can't pay typical full price that
corporations/military can. We must be willing to pay something above scrap value, of
course.
I ask folks to keep an open mind and give Jesse a fair shake moving forward.
Best,
J
25 Jan
25 Jan
9:43 a.m.
On 1/25/19 10:35 AM, Jay West via cctech wrote:
We have to understand, as others pointed out, that if
no one speaks up
for stuff at a price that can keep the parts houses in business then the
parts won't be around. By the same token, the parts houses have to know
we can't pay typical full price that corporations/military can. We must
be willing to pay something above scrap value, of course.
I ask folks to keep an open mind and give Jesse a fair shake moving
forward.
Fair points.
I would think knowing a minimum scrap value plus some reasonable
handling fees would be for things when conducting such deals.
It's not that I'm trying to low ball anyone. It's more that I want to
know if I should even enter the game if I can't reasonably compete and
as such must watch with a tear in my eye as business happens. I simply
can't afford everything that I want. :-(
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
26 Jan
26 Jan
5:02 p.m.
I would think knowing a minimum scrap value plus some
reasonable
handling fees would be for things when conducting such deals.
With that attitude, you will lose a lot more deals than you win.
You have to beat scrap price by a *substantial* amount. You need to
convince the dealer (or scrapper) to do something that is not routine
- business runs on routine. You also need to make it worthwhile to get
around any prearranged relationship a dealer might have with a
scrapper, or a scrapper with a mill or refiner. And you need to show
the dealer that you are serious about buying - something we collectors
have managed to screw up for the past...forever.
Don't be a cheapskate, basically.
--
Will
5:16 p.m.
On 1/26/19 6:02 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
With that attitude, you will lose a lot more deals
than you win.
...
Don't be a cheapskate, basically.
I think I came across wrong.
I'm not trying to be a cheapskate. I have no objection at all to paying
reasonable amounts that the market will bring.
I'm referring to times when I have absolutely no idea what is
reasonable. If I find out it's value is significantly higher than my
passing interest I want to identify that and communicate it early. I
want to NOT waste anyone's time. I want to avoid insulting anyone.
Hence my desire to honestly communicate my position. If I can't run
with then big dogs, that's fine. I don't want to falsely slow them down.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
5:32 p.m.
On 1/26/19 6:26 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
Learning how to judge scrap value is the first thing
to do. Do research
and gain experience.
That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and
unknown when you are at an auction for something else. There's only so
much self education you can do on a smart phone 10 minutes before the
auction.
I've found the best policy is to be honest with people in such
situations. If a scrapper is planing on getting $200 in raw materials,
I'm not going to waist anybody's time bidding $50.
Be polite, ask questions, don't take anything personally. Try not to
insult people.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
5:35 p.m.
That sounds all well and good. Until you something
unexpected and
unknown when you are at an auction for something else. There's only so
much self education you can do on a smart phone 10 minutes before the
auction.
Start now with the research. You can gain quite a lot knowledge from
the various scrap forums and Youtube videos.
--
Will
6:52 p.m.
It was thus said that the Great Grant Taylor via cctalk once stated:
On 1/26/19 6:26 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk
wrote:
I remember attending an auction at a local university some twenty years
ago [1] with some friends, hoping to score some computer equipment. There
was a sizable crowd there, but two bidders stood out. One was a guy there
with a young kid, and another was an older gentleman. The older gentleman
had a bankroll and was *continuously* outbidding *everbody* and seemed
pissed that there were other bidders there [2]. The man with the young kid
started bidding on an old fusball table for his kid and the older gentleman
was determined to get it---drive the price up something fierce and I'm sure
he priced the other fusball table according to the driven up price at the
auction.
He outbid me for a pile of equipment (I was really interested in one item,
not the lot as a whole). I approached him afterwards, offering to buy the
one item and he blew me off, not wanting to bother to even part with the one
item right there, for cash.
It ruined the auction for me, the father, and others I'm sure.
-spc
[1] I was a former student at said university.
[2] How dare these civilians bid on stuff!
Learning how to judge scrap value is the first
thing to do. Do research
and gain experience.
That sounds all well and good. Until you something unexpected and
unknown when you are at an auction for something else. There's only so
much self education you can do on a smart phone 10 minutes before the
auction.
I've found the best policy is to be honest with people in such
situations. If a scrapper is planing on getting $200 in raw materials,
I'm not going to waist anybody's time bidding $50.
Be polite, ask questions, don't take anything personally. Try not to
insult people. 
28 Jan
28 Jan
4:13 p.m.
Sorry, but no. It?s grossly offensive for things that work perfectly well and that someone
might actually find useful to go to scrap. There?s tons of useless and broken junk that
our civilization can mine for scrap, we don?t need to actually destroy things that have
actual value.
If someone isn?t able to sell for the price they?d like to get, maybe the market won?t
bear that price and they need to lower it. Scrapping should be a course of last resort, a
way to recover value from something you can?t even give away, not a competing outlet for
goods.
-- Chris
4:24 p.m.
If someone isn?t able to sell for the price they?d
like to get, maybe the market won?t bear that price and they need to lower it. Scrapping
should be a course of last resort, a way to recover value from something you can?t even
give away, not a competing outlet for goods.
But in this case, there IS a price that the market WILL bear. And that
price is determined by scrap/mining/commodity factors.
The prices exists, and the market exists. Complain all you want, but
if you want to win the fight, so need to know what you are dealing
with.
--
Will
--
Will
5:13 p.m.
Will is right. You have to convince them that it will be worth their time to sort that
particular item out, find packaging to send it and deal with the typical book keeping
required by their particular state, as compared to the time/return of just tossing it into
the fire to burn off the undesired part.
Say it takes them 45 minutes to handle one board and compare that to the hundreds of
boards in the same time to reprocess. When looking at the 45 minutes, also consider the
various overheads involved.
They are in business. Time is money.
Dwight
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of William Donzelli via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:24 PM
To: Chris Hanson; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: OT Parts houses & scrappers
If someone isn?t able to sell for the price they?d
like to get, maybe the market won?t bear that price and they need to lower it. Scrapping
should be a course of last resort, a way to recover value from something you can?t even
give away, not a competing outlet for goods.
But in this case, there IS a price that the market WILL bear. And that
price is determined by scrap/mining/commodity factors.
The prices exists, and the market exists. Complain all you want, but
if you want to win the fight, so need to know what you are dealing
with.
--
Will
--
Will
25 Jan
25 Jan
12:40 p.m.
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Jay West via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Kudos to Jesse for working with me offlist, I feel I've gotten a good deal. I
appreciate the offers to help purchase, very much, but I got this taken care of directly
with Jesse and I'm happy.
We have to understand, as others pointed out, that if no one speaks up for stuff at a
price that can keep the parts houses in business then the parts won't be around. By
the same token, the parts houses have to know we can't pay typical full price that
corporations/military can. We must be willing to pay something above scrap value, of
course.
I ask folks to keep an open mind and give Jesse a fair shake moving forward.
Also, the dealers in this gear disappear over time if they can't stay
in business. I bought some HP cables from 360 Technologies
(360tech.com) last year and now they are gone. Anyone know what
happened to whatever was left of their stock? Is Monterey Bay
Communications (www.montbay.com) still in business or have they been
gone for a while? I think I sent them an email inquiry a few months
back and never got a response. Any other dealers with HP 1000 gear
that are still in business?
26 Jan
26 Jan
5:33 p.m.
I spoke with Mike, last year, around the time they were closing their
doors. I'm fuzzy on the details, now, but dimly recall something about
them possibly trying to hold on to much of the stock, despite losing
the warehouse, with the possibility of reopening in some shape or
form.
With that said, he didn't reply to emails sent after that and I'm not
aware of any further action on that front, so don't hold out much
hope.
--
Robert
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 6:31 PM Glen Slick via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Jay West via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Kudos to Jesse for working with me offlist, I feel I've gotten a good deal. I
appreciate the offers to help purchase, very much, but I got this taken care of directly
with Jesse and I'm happy.
We have to understand, as others pointed out, that if no one speaks up for stuff at a
price that can keep the parts houses in business then the parts won't be around. By
the same token, the parts houses have to know we can't pay typical full price that
corporations/military can. We must be willing to pay something above scrap value, of
course.
I ask folks to keep an open mind and give Jesse a fair shake moving forward.
Also, the dealers in this gear disappear over time if they can't stay
in business. I bought some HP cables from 360 Technologies
(360tech.com) last year and now they are gone. Anyone know what
happened to whatever was left of their stock? Is Monterey Bay
Communications (www.montbay.com) still in business or have they been
gone for a while? I think I sent them an email inquiry a few months
back and never got a response. Any other dealers with HP 1000 gear
that are still in business?
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