11 May
2010
11 May
'10
8:36 a.m.
A Brief, Incomplete, and Mostly Wrong History of Programming Languages
http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html
- John
11 May
11 May
11:25 a.m.
John Foust wrote:
A Brief, Incomplete, and Mostly Wrong History of Programming Languages
http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html
According to that history, non-sequential time influences are common in the
history of programming languages.
1936 - [Alonzo Church & lambda calculus] ... This criticism occurs in spite
of the fact that C has not yet been invented.
1965 - [BASIC] ... Kemeny and Kurtz go to 1964.
1970 - [Pascal] ... This criticism happens in spite of the fact that C has
not yet been invented.
1983 - [C++] ... The resulting language is so complex that programs
must be sent to the future to be compiled by the Skynet
artificial intelligence.
Valtrep fits right in, we need another entry:
ca. 1970 - Valtrep influences the creation of FORTRAN (see 1957).
FLASH! I know what happened: Doc Brown left a page of a Valtrep listing
inside the DeLorean when Marty took it back to the 50's.
The page was stuck to the bottom of Marty's shoe when he exited the
DeLorean. It was picked up by Backus and inspired him to produce FORTRAN.
See, everything can be explained by pop culture.
11:48 a.m.
On Tue, 11 May 2010, Brent Hilpert wrote:
According to that history, non-sequential time
influences are common in the
history of programming languages.
Valtrep fits right in, we need another entry:
ca. 1970 - Valtrep influences the creation of FORTRAN (see 1957).
1954?
FLASH! I know what happened: Doc Brown left a page of
a Valtrep listing
inside the DeLorean when Marty took it back to the 50's.
The page was stuck to the bottom of Marty's shoe when he exited the
DeLorean. It was picked up by Backus and inspired him to produce FORTRAN.
See, everything can be explained by pop culture.
The Sentry-70 uses a zero bit flux-capacitor as a processor?
. . . and what John Titor is REALLY looking for is the Valtrep compiler!
1:08 p.m.
New subject: Time travel (will be: School (Was: Lisa C and Lisa FORTRAN
> According to that history, non-sequential time influences are common in the
> history of programming languages.
> Valtrep fits right in, we need another entry:
> ca. 1970 - Valtrep influences the creation of FORTRAN (see 1954).
If a FORTRAN derivative is sent back in time to become its predecessor,
then who owns the IP rights?
1:14 p.m.
New subject: Time travel (will be: School (Was: Lisa C and Lisa FORTRAN
On 5/11/10, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
John Titor, who else?
-ethan
> >
http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html
> >
> According to that history, non-sequential time influences are common in
> the
> history of programming languages.
> Valtrep fits right in, we need another entry:
> ca. 1970 - Valtrep influences the creation of FORTRAN (see 1954).
If a FORTRAN derivative is sent back in time to become its predecessor,
then who owns the IP rights? 
1:52 p.m.
New subject: Time travel (will be: School (Was: Lisa C and Lisa FORTRAN
From: Fred Cisin
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:09 PM
> According to that history, non-sequential time
influences are common in the
> history of programming languages.
> Valtrep fits right in, we need another entry:
> ca. 1970 - Valtrep influences the creation of FORTRAN (see 1954).
If a FORTRAN derivative is sent back in time to become
its predecessor,
then who owns the IP rights?
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3:01 p.m.
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actually there was this old circular device covered in strange symbols,
the ancient egyptians used to to travel to other galaxies,
and valtrep is actually an alien language they picked up and brought back,
yeah that's how old it is...
still no definitive proof of when it was produced or used. saying the 70s doesnt mean
anything.
fortrans peak was probably the 60s and 70s, that proves nothing.
many scientific research still uses fortran to this day... what does that mean...
nothing.
Dan.
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6:29 p.m.
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On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
actually there was this old circular device covered in strange symbols,
the ancient egyptians used to to travel to other galaxies,
and valtrep is actually an alien language they picked up and brought back,
yeah that's how old it is...
still no definitive proof of when it was produced or used. saying the 70s doesnt mean
anything.
fortrans peak was probably the 60s and 70s, that proves nothing.
Well, yes it does. What it means is that a language from the 1970s was
*not* the predecessor to a language from the 1950s.
But more generally, FORTRAN was the first of its kind. Wikipedia is
right on this and adds a fair amount of detail on the primitive
forebears, but if you don't believe it, that's fine - Google it, go
read textbooks, anything you like, they'll all tell the same story.
Any source, it doesn't matter.
And the thing is, because FORTRAN was such a huge step forwards, it
pretty much killed off everything that went before it. I really doubt
that any earlier proto-high-level languages from before FORTRAN were
still in use 20 years *after* FORTRAN.
Omitting various fancy assembler macros and whatnot, basically, it
went FORTRAN -> COBOL -> everything else.
many scientific research still uses fortran to this
day... what does that mean... nothing.
Some do. Not all that many, and it ain't FORTRAN IV, though.
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9:09 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
On Tue, 11 May 2010, Brent Hilpert wrote:
Yes, I noticed too; however, the above-mentioned history uses the 1957 release
date, so I went with it for internal consistency.
According to that history, non-sequential time
influences are common in the
history of programming languages.
Valtrep fits right in, we need another entry:
ca. 1970 - Valtrep influences the creation of FORTRAN (see 1957).
1954?
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