Hi all, Let me delurk for a moment and relate my experience with spam. I don't think that I could even detect any increase in spam from being a member of the list unless it was really severe. (One thing I can point to that incresaed my load was someone from work got a PC and started giving humor/joke/funny-bits sites my address rather than sending me the link; make sure you tell friends *NEVER* give a site your address so they can "share" the experience with you.) I bought McAfee's SpamKiller 4 months ago and, except for trouble with my crappy dialup, look at it as a life-saver. I've been online with the same email address for over 8 years, and in the beginning was not as careful with it as I should have been. After running a couple of months to make sure I had a good lock on classifications, I ran SpamKiller for a week from an empty "killed" folder. After a week I had 600+ messages in the killed folder, which would have been more, if the phone line didn't keep conking out while SpamKiller downloaded and filtered the mailbox. I think in the last year I have seen everything there is to see in the way of spam, and if it weren't the fact that to stop the spam *I* would have to give up *my* email address (just because some people are stupid enough to respond to something that they receive in their inbox) I would give up and roll over. Overall I would rate SpamKiller a 7+, higher if used on a DSL or cable line (since if the line drops while it's downloading, it throws it out of kilter and it may not filter all messages...). Setup is a cinch, and it learns pretty quickly what to filter (filters available on sender's address, subject line, substring in message, or *entire domain*). Filter updates are downloadable that add/delete pre- defined filters (only minus: thay don't show deleted filters, so you never know why a filter would be deleted; and they don't say where the filters are defined [back channel from installations?]). Later, Frank PS. Some of my personal favorites are the "natural herbal products" that can add either 2 cup sizes or 3+ inches; the various incarnations of the Nigerian scam; and the kid that hides $71,000 in his closet after earning it sending out emails.... The latest one that's high- volume is the RC Mini Racers that are sold out at retail stores. John Lawson wrote: [ snip ] [ snip ] -- Join my distributed.net team: Cow County Crackers, at http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=10621 RC5-64 was solved July 2002. Now on to 72!!!

Mike Ford wrote: delete still works :) If you filter the money,fat and sex ads tht covers 90% of my spam.

Two things. [0] I'm still working on that ol' web site thing for ClassicCmp. One thing I'm looking at now is integrating the old archives with the new archives, which I've found *is* possible. More importantly, I now know how to spam-protect _every_ address in an archived message -- not just the poster's address. DUH, it's called *sed*! sed -Ee ' s/([^[:space:]]+)@([^[:space:]]+.[^[:space:]]+)/\1 [at] \2/g ' < bad_file > good_file That replaces the '@' in email addresses with ' [at] '. Is that sufficient to fool a harvester, or should a more sophisticated replacement be made? What replacement would that be? [1] I've written a procmail script that makes unknown senders go through a confirmation process similar to subscribing to a mailing list. I established backdoor, unfiltered addresses that I will hand out to companies, one for each business that wants one. That way, if spam starts coming to a particular address, I'll know exactly who is responsible and take appropriate steps. -- Jeffrey Sharp

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Jeffrey Sharp wrote: BTW, I must say that the new site looks quite pretty. sed rocks! Something more sophisticated needs to be implemented. Looking for an "[at]" separator is part of the spammer arsenal. Cool. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

Jeffrey Sharp wrote: While I like both, I tend to prefer the simple/retro look as it fits on one screen comfortably.

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Jeffrey Sharp wrote: I really like the current look. It's classy and has a retro element with that strip up top of the page. It's elegant and light. It works well. Just throw a PDP-8 and papertape up there somewhere and you're golden. Too busy. I got dizzy looking at all the information. Plus, who will update the news links? Ugh! Too simple. And lime green looks nice on my Fender-Rhodes 73, but not on this web page. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

It Is possible to code HTML for a kind of 'infinite backwards compatibility', that is, each new function that an old browser doesn't support just vanishes, but the text remains... So, if you are clever and have too much time on your hands, you can make a "modern" site that retains this text content while the bells and whistles fall off. This isn't a <noframes> thing since that actually makes you code the page twice. It's more like making an image that looks as good in B&W as it does in color, with the same pixels. All being said, code the fancy one, make a sed script that strips it down to a basic level so you need only spend 10 minutes cleaning that one up for final approval, then make the basic one default and put a link on that page to the fancy one, for the modern visitors. If any of this is too much work: do the basic. John A.

Do it black and white. Do it in text. If anybody "NEEDS" color and pictures, they can take crayons and color their own screens. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: I'm with the Grumpy Guy in the back. Simple = Good Doc

On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, John Allain wrote: However, some browsers (e.g. IE) don't ask you for an email address. Therefore I think it is unlikely that they can transmit that information. And, really, why does a WWW browser need to know that in the first place? -- Jeffrey Sharp

I use Pegasus as my mailer, but it is entered as the email program in the program defaults. How likely is it that this could be exploited by programs that usually attack Outlook. Lawrence lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

[Hope the spam joke works] We have been looking at Palm's recently and the news items seem to be that 1./ the Tungsten is too damn expensive and 2./ The Palm m500 has been deeply discounted, to half price, at Staples at least. I've always had respect for the Palm approach of 'small (software) is beautiful'. Seems that there are two great terminal programs for it. The frustration is that the keyboard and the SIO cable won't plug in at the same time. But, there is the irDa port. Anybody know if there's an irDa -> rs232 adaptor out there? John A.

On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Lawrence Walker wrote: That is the bulk of the spam that I receive also. Annoying, but... - don