22 Jan
2002
22 Jan
'02
7:26 a.m.
This may be a bit off topic, but Yahoo is having a Free Listing Day on
January 24th thus reducing their already reasonable rates :). They do
have a Vintage classification and I expect to have some "stuff" there.
Yahoo has the facilities in place to handle a large number of auctions,
and with ebay continuing its direction towards retail, collectables need
a site that *wants* them.
22 Jan
22 Jan
10:48 a.m.
But the problem with Yahoo is that hardly anyone sells there (in comparison)
and that stooooopid auto-continue feature they run has made me and many
others pull totally out of Yahoo auctions. Everytime I check for just about
anything on ebay I find a deal, on Yahoo I've found one or two things and
then when I had sniped the auction it continued for 10 more minutes- that's
BS.
By the way I normally never bid early- sniping is the only way I go anymore
unless buy-it-now is reasonable.
Many of the online "retailers" that frequent ebay also have an equal amount
of schtuff on Yahoo anymore, same difference but with less to choose from
and freaky features.
ebay starts charging for buy-it-now...a whopping nickel for each item. I
know, 2000 buy-it-now items equals mucho dinero for ebay.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Marvin Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:27 PM
To: ClassicCmp
Subject: OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day
This may be a bit off topic, but Yahoo is having a Free Listing Day on
January 24th thus reducing their already reasonable rates :). They do
have a Vintage classification and I expect to have some "stuff" there.
Yahoo has the facilities in place to handle a large number of auctions,
and with ebay continuing its direction towards retail, collectables need
a site that *wants* them.
11:37 a.m.
Russ Blakeman wrote:
But the problem with Yahoo is that hardly anyone sells there (in comparison)
and that stooooopid auto-continue feature they run has made me and many
others pull totally out of Yahoo auctions. Everytime I check for just about
anything on ebay I find a deal, on Yahoo I've found one or two things and
then when I had sniped the auction it continued for 10 more minutes- that's
BS.
My understanding is that that auto-extend "feature" is optional; I too
just would not bid on auctions that used it. My understanding is that
the sell rate on Ebay is around 40% and the sell rate on Yahoo is closer
to 10%. Just depends on the type of buyers!
ebay starts charging for buy-it-now...a whopping
nickel for each item. I
know, 2000 buy-it-now items equals mucho dinero for ebay.
The price increase actually is pretty substantial, in some cases
approaching 100% (dutch auctions for example.) And raising the fees with
the economy in a recession and after record profits to my mind indicates
a greedy company not worth supporting. And with all the new "features"
in place to make it harder to use the site, I don't plan on listing or
buying there anywhere near what I had planned. Take a look at:
http://www.auctionguild.com/
for more information on Ebay problems as well as alternatives.
12:20 p.m.
I've pulled a lot of what I used to post on ebay as well, trying a few on
Bidbay to see how that is working out. It works pretty good still for the
buyers though, especially online payment (except in cases where the seller
immerses their sky-high "shipping" rate)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Marvin Johnston
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:38 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day
Russ Blakeman wrote:
But the problem with Yahoo is that hardly anyone sells there (in
comparison)
and that stooooopid auto-continue feature they run has
made me and many
others pull totally out of Yahoo auctions. Everytime I check for just
about
anything on ebay I find a deal, on Yahoo I've
found one or two things and
then when I had sniped the auction it continued for 10 more minutes-
that's
BS.
My understanding is that that auto-extend "feature" is optional; I too
just would not bid on auctions that used it. My understanding is that
the sell rate on Ebay is around 40% and the sell rate on Yahoo is closer
to 10%. Just depends on the type of buyers!
ebay starts charging for buy-it-now...a whopping
nickel for each item. I
know, 2000 buy-it-now items equals mucho dinero for ebay.
The price increase actually is pretty substantial, in some cases
approaching 100% (dutch auctions for example.) And raising the fees with
the economy in a recession and after record profits to my mind indicates
a greedy company not worth supporting. And with all the new "features"
in place to make it harder to use the site, I don't plan on listing or
buying there anywhere near what I had planned. Take a look at:
http://www.auctionguild.com/
for more information on Ebay problems as well as alternatives.
10:40 a.m.
Russ Blakeman wrote:
I've pulled a lot of what I used to post on ebay as well, trying a few on
Bidbay to see how that is working out. It works pretty good still for the
buyers though, especially online payment (except in cases where the seller
immerses their sky-high "shipping" rate)
I say I have this novel idea -- the seller marks a reasonable
price and the buyer pays that price and gets the product.
BTW Wanted -- A used low cost dumb terminal in Alberta Canada.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
1:44 p.m.
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Ben Franchuk wrote:
Russ Blakeman wrote:
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Wouldn't this put ebay out of business tho? ;)
-Toth
I've pulled a lot of what I used to post on ebay as well, trying a few on
Bidbay to see how that is working out. It works pretty good still for the
buyers though, especially online payment (except in cases where the seller
immerses their sky-high "shipping" rate)
I say I have this novel idea -- the seller marks a reasonable
price and the buyer pays that price and gets the product. 
2:31 p.m.
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Ben Franchuk wrote:
Yeah, but most people that put stuff on ebay don't have a clue what things
are REALLY worth. (This also applies to some people that are buying
things. And no, $40k for a CISC as400 doesn't seem reasonable to me.)
People would have to learn what stuff is worth first, and that takes time-
time that people are not willing to spend.
My $0.02 ($0.03 CDN)
-- Pat
Russ Blakeman wrote:
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Wouldn't this put ebay out of business tho? ;)
I've pulled a lot of what I used to post on ebay as well, trying a few on
Bidbay to see how that is working out. It works pretty good still for the
buyers though, especially online payment (except in cases where the seller
immerses their sky-high "shipping" rate)
I say I have this novel idea -- the seller marks a reasonable
price and the buyer pays that price and gets the product.
23 Jan
23 Jan
12:29 a.m.
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Pat Finnegan wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
(I'm sure someone will flame me for this, but oh well :)
I used to buy *tons* of stuff at local auctions. Lately, there have been a
few idiots who show up at the local auctions and proceed to bid up items
higher than they are worth, and then try to resell their "wins" on ebay.
Often the items are either big and heavy or nonworking.
One common item I used to buy DOA and repair for my own uses were UPS
systems. These were often fried (magic smoke long gone), usually
repairable, and would sell for $2-5ea. At the last local auction, a
wannabe dealer paid $175 or so for a dozen dead UPS. The last auction
prior to that, a different wannabe dealer paid $150 for 8-10 of them.
Notice it wasn't the same people both times, the first guy had already
learned his lesson the hard way. I saw those exact 8-10 dead UPS up on
ebay about a week after that auction starting at $50 each. He never was
ever able to sell those DOA UPS that weigh 30-40lb each for that price.
I'm starting to think they need to institute some kind of intelligence
entrance exam for the local auctions :)
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Ben Franchuk wrote:
Yeah, but most people that put stuff on ebay don't have a clue what
things are REALLY worth. (This also applies to some people that are
buying things. And no, $40k for a CISC as400 doesn't seem reasonable
to me.) I say I have this novel idea -- the seller marks
a reasonable
price and the buyer pays that price and gets the product.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Wouldn't this put ebay out of business tho? ;) People would have to learn what stuff is worth first,
and that takes
time- time that people are not willing to spend.
Exactly. Theres no way I'd be willing to pay $50 plus shipping for
something on ebay that I can pay $5 or even $20 for locally.
-Toth
1:19 a.m.
We've had a local a uction problem lately here too, seems that a few of t he
local auctioneers have hired professional shills to come in as regular
bidders and they bid crazily to get the people in the bunch wound up and
into bidding to get the thing going, then they sort of disappear before the
very end when it's 2 to 3 times more t han it normally would have gone for,
especially on industrial items, stuff from belly-up businesses and farm
machinery. Where else would a 1948 Ferguson Ford 9n tractor in fair shape go
for nearly $10k where they used to get around $5k in way better shape. You
have a hard time openly selling one for $7500
Everyone has a gimmick.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Tothwolf
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:29 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Pat Finnegan wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
(I'm sure someone will flame me for this, but oh well :)
I used to buy *tons* of stuff at local auctions. Lately, there have been a
few idiots who show up at the local auctions and proceed to bid up items
higher than they are worth, and then try to resell their "wins" on ebay.
Often the items are either big and heavy or nonworking.
One common item I used to buy DOA and repair for my own uses were UPS
systems. These were often fried (magic smoke long gone), usually
repairable, and would sell for $2-5ea. At the last local auction, a
wannabe dealer paid $175 or so for a dozen dead UPS. The last auction
prior to that, a different wannabe dealer paid $150 for 8-10 of them.
Notice it wasn't the same people both times, the first guy had already
learned his lesson the hard way. I saw those exact 8-10 dead UPS up on
ebay about a week after that auction starting at $50 each. He never was
ever able to sell those DOA UPS that weigh 30-40lb each for that price.
I'm starting to think they need to institute some kind of intelligence
entrance exam for the local auctions :)
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Ben Franchuk wrote:
Yeah, but most people that put stuff on ebay don't have a clue what
things are REALLY worth. (This also applies to some people that are
buying things. And no, $40k for a CISC as400 doesn't seem reasonable
to me.) I say I have this novel idea -- the seller marks
a reasonable
price and the buyer pays that price and gets the product.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Wouldn't this put ebay out of business tho? ;) People would have to learn what stuff is worth first,
and that takes
time- time that people are not willing to spend.
Exactly. Theres no way I'd be willing to pay $50 plus shipping for
something on ebay that I can pay $5 or even $20 for locally.
-Toth
2:15 a.m.
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Tothwolf wrote:
I know the auctioneers who handle the local auctions I mentioned, so I
somewhat doubt they are hiring anyone to bid up items. The places that own
the equipment being auctioned off could be trying to pull a fast one tho.
I'm still more inclined to think it's just a case of some people
unfamiliar with auctions and resale in general thinking they can make a
fortune on ebay.
-Toth
I used to buy *tons* of stuff at local auctions.
Lately, there have
been a few idiots who show up at the local auctions and proceed to
bid up items higher than they are worth, and then try to resell their
"wins" on ebay. Often the items are either big and heavy or
nonworking.
We've had a local auction problem lately here too, seems that a few of
the local auctioneers have hired professional shills to come in as
regular bidders and they bid crazily to get the people in the bunch
wound up and into bidding to get the thing going, then they sort of
disappear before the very end when it's 2 to 3 times more than it
normally would have gone for, especially on industrial items, stuff
from belly-up businesses and farm machinery. Where else would a 1948
Ferguson Ford 9n tractor in fair shape go for nearly $10k where they
used to get around $5k in way better shape. You have a hard time
openly selling one for $7500 
3:25 a.m.
> Where else would a 1948 Ferguson Ford 9n tractor
in fair shape go for
> nearly $10k where they used to get around $5k in way better shape. You
> have a hard time openly selling one for $7500
Ack! My 1948 Ford 8N was $3500 from a used tractor dealer in 1999,
with a *new* bush hog, *delivered*! I bought it from Southern Ohio
because here in Central Ohio, the yuppies with 6-acre lawns were paying
$5K and more for them. My baby is currently getting an engine overhaul
and will be good for years to come. I'm told I have 10 years left on
the tires and overall, it's in fine shape. Just needs usual sorts of
parts that wear out (rings, etc.).
The mowing deck I got last year was a nice upgrade.
-ethan
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3:10 a.m.
At 06:19 AM 1/23/2002 -0600, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Where else would a 1948 Ferguson Ford 9n tractor in
fair shape go
for nearly $10k where they used to get around $5k in way better shape. You
have a hard time openly selling one for $7500
Blame it on the yuppie farmers, who like an old 8N or 9N
for puttering around the farm. I've just about out-grown my 8N.
It's not heavy enough for snowplowing, overheats when I need
to do lots of mowing in the late summer, and doesn't have
enough hydraulics for a nice lift-bucket.
eBay has allowed new levels of regional arbitrage. I doubt
they're selling many old tractors there, but it has certainly
allowed classic computer collectors to pick up bits and
pieces that were terribly rare in their area.
- John
3:52 a.m.
There have been old tractors, ag implements, motor homes and other things
too big to ship - saw an old Oliver cultivator/row tractor on ebay 3 or 4
months ago. Not too many yuppies here, just stupid people with hilly terrain
that a big tractor doesn't work well in. You can't use an 8 wheel pull
tractor from the fields of Iowa/Illinois here in most places as the areas
are too small and too many trees to navigate.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 8:10 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day
At 06:19 AM 1/23/2002 -0600, Russ Blakeman wrote:
Where else would a 1948 Ferguson Ford 9n tractor in
fair shape go
for nearly $10k where they used to get around $5k in way better shape. You
have a hard time openly selling one for $7500
Blame it on the yuppie farmers, who like an old 8N or 9N
for puttering around the farm. I've just about out-grown my 8N.
It's not heavy enough for snowplowing, overheats when I need
to do lots of mowing in the late summer, and doesn't have
enough hydraulics for a nice lift-bucket.
eBay has allowed new levels of regional arbitrage. I doubt
they're selling many old tractors there, but it has certainly
allowed classic computer collectors to pick up bits and
pieces that were terribly rare in their area.
- John
4:19 a.m.
Blame it on the yuppie farmers, who like an old 8N or 9N
for puttering around the farm. I've just about out-grown my 8N.
It's not heavy enough for snowplowing, overheats when I need
to do lots of mowing in the late summer, and doesn't have
enough hydraulics for a nice lift-bucket.
Eghads, tractor discussions... You did replace the oil and scrape out the
gunk from the air filter (actually its just a can with oil that the air
sort of bubbles through if i recall correctly). And had someone blow out
the radiator if it looks partially clogged? A 8N overheating, that just
doesnt happen. I remember plowing 20 acres full of weeds, and the old
8N started overheating after several days. Thats when I learned about
that oil filter, never saw so much oily pollen gunk...
-Lawrence LeMay
7:05 a.m.
It is pretty weird to have computer nerds talking about tractors, like Eddie
Arnold on Green Acres I'd say. I believe that's the reason most of us can
keep the old computer iron going as we're not the underweight skinny dweebs
that know programming but when machine is older they throw it out. It takes
someone diverse in mechanics, electronics, shop trades, etc to kep this old
stuff going, just like you need to keep an old machine going (truck, car,
tractor, etc).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Lawrence LeMay
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:19 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day
Blame it on the yuppie farmers, who like an old 8N or 9N
for puttering around the farm. I've just about out-grown my 8N.
It's not heavy enough for snowplowing, overheats when I need
to do lots of mowing in the late summer, and doesn't have
enough hydraulics for a nice lift-bucket.
Eghads, tractor discussions... You did replace the oil and scrape out the
gunk from the air filter (actually its just a can with oil that the air
sort of bubbles through if i recall correctly). And had someone blow out
the radiator if it looks partially clogged? A 8N overheating, that just
doesnt happen. I remember plowing 20 acres full of weeds, and the old
8N started overheating after several days. Thats when I learned about
that oil filter, never saw so much oily pollen gunk...
-Lawrence LeMay
7:26 a.m.
Bought the tractor in 1999, and getting an engine overhaul NOW?
Just how good a deal do you think that you got?
7:50 a.m.
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
Bought the tractor in 1999, and getting an engine overhaul NOW?
Just how good a deal do you think that you got?
Who knows that could be the first overhaul in 40 years. :)
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
12:47 p.m.
Hate to keep this going as OT as it is but my dad's old Ford NAA (1951) had
it's first overhaul in 1977 when we pulled it from a scrap yard in South
Holland IL, and just this winter it's getting a ring job again mostly due to
a real rough 25 yrs of service as the only tractor on a 65 acre overgrown
farm with lots of hills and 4 yrs of acting as a skidder to pull logs up
hills as they were cut. They made them too good which is why they're still
around and worth a lot
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ben Franchuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:50 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day
"Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote:
Bought the tractor in 1999, and getting an engine overhaul NOW?
Just how good a deal do you think that you got?
Who knows that could be the first overhaul in 40 years. :)
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
7:45 a.m.
It is pretty weird to have computer nerds talking
about tractors, like Eddie
Arnold on Green Acres I'd say. I believe that's the reason most of us can
keep the old computer iron going as we're not the underweight skinny dweebs
that know programming but when machine is older they throw it out. It takes
someone diverse in mechanics, electronics, shop trades, etc to kep this old
stuff going, just like you need to keep an old machine going (truck, car,
tractor, etc).
I grew up around Cat heavy equipment, 18-wheelers, dump trucks,
etc., so I know about that stuff (and can operate some of it,
too).
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
8:11 a.m.
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
It is pretty weird to have computer nerds talking
about tractors, like Eddie
Arnold on Green Acres I'd say. I believe that's the reason most of us can
keep the old computer iron going as we're not the underweight skinny dweebs
that know programming but when machine is older they throw it out. It takes
someone diverse in mechanics, electronics, shop trades, etc to kep this old
stuff going, just like you need to keep an old machine going (truck, car,
tractor, etc).
HEY! I am one of those underweight skinny dweeb programmers! Of course I
have some 'classic computer sensibilities' (or to the rest of the world,
'problems' or 'insanity' :)
-- Pat
12:47 p.m.
Well t hen you're the macho dweeb programmer type :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Pat Finnegan
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 1:11 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
It is pretty weird to have computer nerds talking
about tractors, like
Eddie
Arnold on Green Acres I'd say. I believe
that's the reason most of us can
keep the old computer iron going as we're not the underweight skinny
dweebs
that know programming but when machine is older they
throw it out. It
takes
someone diverse in mechanics, electronics, shop
trades, etc to kep this
old
stuff going, just like you need to keep an old machine
going (truck, car,
tractor, etc).
HEY! I am one of those underweight skinny dweeb programmers! Of course I
have some 'classic computer sensibilities' (or to the rest of the world,
'problems' or 'insanity' :)
-- Pat
11:12 a.m.
Russ Blakeman wrote:
Well t hen you're the macho dweeb programmer type :-)
Now where all the female programer types when you want them? :)
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
4:47 p.m.
I'm still looking for them myself :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Ben Franchuk
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 4:13 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day
Russ Blakeman wrote:
Well t hen you're the macho dweeb programmer type :-)
Now where all the female programer types when you want them? :)
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
5:20 p.m.
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Russ Blakeman wrote:
I Seem To Recall, from a thread last month, that Chris has scored the
only known prototype....
Doc
I'm still looking for them myself :-)
Well t hen
you're the macho dweeb programmer type :-)
Now where all the female programer types when you want them? :) 
7:44 a.m.
But the problem with Yahoo is that hardly anyone sells
there (in comparison)
and that stooooopid auto-continue feature they run has made me and many
others pull totally out of Yahoo auctions. Everytime I check for just about
anything on ebay I find a deal, on Yahoo I've found one or two things and
then when I had sniped the auction it continued for 10 more minutes- that's
BS.
I won't use Yahoo for the simple fact that they now seem to want an insane
amount of personal information in order to bid. Stuff that Yahoo doesn't
need laying around on their servers. Of course for all I know, eBay might
want the same amount of info for new users.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
10:50 a.m.
"Zane H. Healy" wrote:
I won't use Yahoo for the simple fact that they now seem to want an insane
amount of personal information in order to bid. Stuff that Yahoo doesn't
need laying around on their servers. Of course for all I know, eBay might
want the same amount of info for new users.
Interesting comment. I just registered another ID (I forgot I had
already registered) on Yahoo and didn't see anything out of the ordinary
or anything that threw out red flags. I just made a bid to see what
would happen, and everything worked fine.
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